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Lauren Richardson Becomes Next Terri Schiavo as Parents Debate Euthanasia (Delaware)
LifeNews ^ | 2/1/2008 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 02/01/2008 2:51:57 PM PST by Pyro7480

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To: floriduh voter
Jeb is a has been.

He was term-limited out of office, and left office with a 58% approval rating. Trying to make it sound as if the Schiavo case ended his career is a nice rhetorical flourish, but it just ain't so,

In fact, I'll take issue with the notion that Jeb is a has-been. He might have been a presidential candidate this year, but for the fact that the electorate is sick of Bushes. He would be a strong Senate candidate.

151 posted on 02/12/2008 10:19:21 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: ReignOfError

WTF? I don’t now how I managed to post that four times. I’ve seen 2 and 3, but this is a new one on me. Sorry.


152 posted on 02/12/2008 10:20:52 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: ReignOfError

Has been.


153 posted on 02/12/2008 10:21:39 AM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI'S DAY MARCH 31, 2008 ...JUAN MCCAIN wants me to calm down. LOL LOL)
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To: floriduh voter
Has been.

Well, if you repeat it, it must be true.

154 posted on 02/12/2008 10:22:50 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: ReignOfError

Jeb Bush cannot be pro-life cuz Terri was murdered by republican judges whom he pals around with in the Fla RNC of which he was the director. If a person proves they are not pro-life all the way, the only other selection is pro-euthanasia. Jeb sided with death cultists.


155 posted on 02/12/2008 10:31:11 AM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI'S DAY MARCH 31, 2008 ...JUAN MCCAIN wants me to calm down. LOL LOL)
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To: floriduh voter
Jeb Bush cannot be pro-life cuz Terri was murdered by republican judges whom he pals around with in the Fla RNC of which he was the director. If a person proves they are not pro-life all the way, the only other selection is pro-euthanasia. Jeb sided with death cultists.

We do have a little thing called separation of powers in this country. I know some FReepers are still angry at Jeb because he did not override the courts, call out the National Guard to seize the hospice from the sheriff's deputies and marshals. Where I come from, respect for the law is a good thing in a public official.

Leaving aside the fact that your argument is absurd, those are reasons you will not vote for him. He remains popular among the other 18+ million Floridians. None of what you list is a reason he's a "has-been." If Martinez or Nelson opts not to run next time around, Jeb would be an almost unbeatable Senate candidate. Martinez is up in 2010 and Martinez in 2012, so Jeb has a shot in the next two elections.

Terri Schiavo will not be a significant issue in those elections. It looms large in some echo chambers, but for most Americans, and most Floridians, it was a tragedy that presented the hardest questions with no good choices and tore a family apart.

156 posted on 02/12/2008 11:01:55 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: ReignOfError

Please explain how the separation of powers means
the executive branch has to lay down for the judicial
branch.


157 posted on 02/12/2008 5:39:27 PM PST by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13!!!!!)
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To: ReignOfError
That's the point. There was no living will. The only evidence the court had of Teri's wishes was Michael's word that she made a comment that she would not want to live like that - something he remembered much later. Michael simply wanted to be free to marry his live-in girlfriend with whom he had two children.

In a sense, you are right that the fault lies not with the courts but with Michael Schiavo who will one day have to answer for his actions before a much more awesome and powerful judge than George Greer.
158 posted on 02/12/2008 6:53:41 PM PST by srmorton (Choose life!)
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To: ReignOfError

Executive Authority: POTUS and Governors. It’s a check and balance so the judiciary doesn’t overstep which they did by murdering Terri.


159 posted on 02/12/2008 11:05:42 PM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI'S DAY MARCH 31, 2008 ...JUAN MCCAIN wants me to calm down. LOL LOL)
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To: 8mmMauser
Did you see TAMPA PD DUMP QUADRAPLEGIC out of his wheelchair while desk supervisor ignored same? Only in Floriduh. He was charged with eluding the police. Let's see.He's in a wheelchair. They have a cruiser. Naw, not buyin' it. There is a videotape of the dumping, it may be here...

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/feb/12/deputy-suspended-after-dumping-man-wheelchair/

160 posted on 02/12/2008 11:34:03 PM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI'S DAY MARCH 31, 2008 ...JUAN MCCAIN wants me to calm down. LOL LOL)
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To: All; wagglebee
Further to the expose of motive of the embryonic stem cell chapter of death incorporated, another promise appears with the "other" stem cells. Once again, the embryonic hopes for the death droolers drip harmlessly from their little chins.

BRISTOL, UK, February 12, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A two year old girl from Suffolk has been cured of a rare form of cancer using genetically matched adult stem cells from a Japanese donor. Last week, news reports around the world revealed Sorrel Mason, a toddler from Great Wratting in Suffolk suffering from acute myeloid leukaemia, received a transplant of donated cells from a frozen umbilical cord from Tokyo.

Sorrel's mother, Samantha Mason, told media, "Sorrel would be dead now if she had been left untreated." The little girl was given a 30 per cent chance of survival when she was diagnosed. She has fully recovered since her treatment a year ago......................

Frozen Umbilical Cord Stem Cells Cure Toddler's Cancer

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161 posted on 02/13/2008 4:07:44 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Placeholder for Javona...


162 posted on 02/13/2008 4:11:27 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
What? No Odor of Canada award?

He didn't win a coveted loving cup, didn't even win a cheezy barbecue set, or even a Hero of the Soviet Union medal. But the precious Margaret Sanger Granny Awards still wait... Who knows, maybe he will finally get the awards he has earned.

Thread by wagglebee.

OTTAWA, February 11, 2008, (LifeSiteNews.com) - "It's blasphemy" that Dr. Henry Morgentaler, the man whose name has become synonymous with abortion in Canada, has not been awarded the Order of Canada for his decades of aborting babies and helping to create Canada's current state of lawlessness on abortion. Or so said Cathie Colombo, quoted by the Globe and Mail, which is reporting that a group of abortion supporters are attempting to force the nomination of Dr. Morgentaler in a "last ditch effort".

Cathie Colombo, Dr. Morgentaler's assistant, was joined in her condemnation of her boss's "omission" from the Order of Canada by Clayton Ruby, a prominent constitutional and civil rights lawyer, who said, "There are a lot of deserving people who don't have an Order of Canada. But among them Henry stands out as a giant. It's a monumental absence." ..........

"It's Blasphemy" that Morgentaler has not Received the Order of Canada for 1000s of Abortions

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163 posted on 02/13/2008 4:24:14 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: srmorton; ReignOfError; 8mmMauser; floriduh voter; BykrBayb
The only evidence the court had of Teri's wishes was Michael's word that she made a comment that she would not want to live like that - something he remembered much later. Michael simply wanted to be free to marry his live-in girlfriend with whom he had two children.

Partly true, but not quite accurate.

Michael could have filed for a divorce, a guardian ad litem would have been appointed to represent Terri's interests and they would have been divorced. As devout Catholics the Schindlers would have been opposed to this (before they found out what a monster Michael was), but there would have been nothing they could do about it.

Instead, Michael decided that Terri had to die and NOTHING would make him waver from that, I believe the Schindlers suggested divorce at this point and as Terri lay dying, Michael turned down an offer of $2 million to let her live.

The ONLY reasonable conclusion is that Michael had a vested interest in ensuring that Terri NEVER RECOVERED to the point that she could tell the world what happened that night. Michael found what every criminal dreams of, a judge, attorney general and governor who allowed him to kill the witness.

164 posted on 02/13/2008 5:12:13 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: ReignOfError; floriduh voter; Lesforlife; BykrBayb; bjs1779; amdgmary; srmorton; wagglebee
Welcome to the Terri Daily threads, ReignofError.

Not to worry about the multiple posts, LOL. I do that kind of double taps frequently enough.

If you hang around here for awhile, you can come up to speed on what really went down. But since you brought in old and worn mantras mostly discarded a year or two ago by the disruptors on the left, I suggest you set emotional response back, and find out what is really happening. You owe that much to the rest of our FReepers here, FreeRepublic being a pro-life forum and all.

Saying that, I don't mean to Reign on your parade, but do intend to set things straight on your Error.

The bunch here are happy to set you on a sound path as well, but will defend if you attack. We have all the weapons, namely truth, facts and evidence. Nothing from the left after these three years remains to penetrate that stand.

One thing you bring up is the "echo chamber" of our Terri topics. If you look closely, you will notice we continued on these last three years unabated mainly because the press would not leave alone the albatross of Terri's Legacy. It does have an effect on elections, proven by the squeals of the left, and the damages to candidates who do not heed.

Consider poor Fred Thompson whom we wished well. Alas, the MSM picked up on his gaffe and rode him on it daily. We chronicled this in Fred and Terri tar baby dailies on these threads.

And now for Jeb. I appreciate your noble defense of this guy. We too at one time defended him. Unlike many bloggers oozing opinions plucked from ether, many of us were on the scene and battle hardened with impressions of what went down, vis a vis Jeb.

You see, we were there on that Holy Week as Jeb assumed the role of Pontius Pilate and washed his hands. He had no real excuse!

Friends had provided him a list of legal and proper approaches to saving this innocent from murder. He refused to even see them at that last moment, instead washing his hands. Maybe this didn't hurt his chances. Maybe it didn't hurt him enough! Maybe it will haunt him as it has with others. We saw the real Jeb unmasked as a phony. So, is he a "has-been"? If not, his unmasking may help him become a "will-be has-been". Others can be fooled and support him but we know better.

Do hang around and ask questions, but be humble enough to realize the story is already set in time and history and you are unlikely to add any new arguments. We welcome challenges and abhor attacks.

Your genuine questions and comments could be of help for us to remind why we persevere.

These Terri Dailies are all about her Legacy, hence the plights of Lauren Richardson, Javona Peters, Haleigh Poutre, Jimmy Chambers, Scott Thomas, and a long list of innocents caught in the kind of State sponsored killing machines receiving the wink from the likes of Jeb.

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165 posted on 02/13/2008 5:18:59 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; nicmarlo
RU-486 or RU not? "Made in China' grows as a sinister mark. Thread by nicmarlo.

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We do know that Shanghai is the sole supplier to the United States of the abortion pill, mifepristone, known as RU-486. Our FDA had previously concealed the source of RU-486, and its U.S. distributor, Danco Laboratories, does not list a street address on its website or return press calls.

Criticism of the FDA is mounting along with demands that the agency be given huge emergency injections of taxpayers' money to do a better job of inspecting imports. But the GAO investigation leads us to believe it is unlikely that the FDA could protect us from contaminated Chinese drugs even if it had ten times its current budget............

Free Trade in Dangerous Drugs

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166 posted on 02/13/2008 5:26:34 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser; ReignOfError; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; Lesforlife; bjs1779; amdgmary; srmorton
One thing you bring up is the "echo chamber" of our Terri topics.

When an immoral activity is not only ongoing but growing ever more evil and deadly, it is not an "echo chamber" to keep warning against it.

- Though she DIDN'T, Terri COULD have had a "living will" or AMD.
- Javona is a MINOR and could not have legally executed one of these documents even if she had wanted to, yet they want to courts to act as if she did.
- Lauren was a heroin addict and they are trying to kill her based on a statement which, if made at all, was probably made while under the influence of heroin.

So, it seems to me that the culture of death is taking on an even darker role, they have now moved beyond any pretense that they are simply abiding by the "wishes" of the condemned, they are now openly describing some lives as "not worth living."

167 posted on 02/13/2008 5:48:28 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
When an immoral activity is not only ongoing but growing ever more evil and deadly, it is not an "echo chamber" to keep warning against it.

But, but... "echo chamber" sounds so much more diminutive. I prefer "Opera House" as at the Kennedy Center. It has some little known but incredible acoustics.

Who knows? Maybe we will hear some new arguments. Maybe it won't snow here today. Ahh, I am too late, it is snowing.

168 posted on 02/13/2008 6:07:51 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

Some deathbots have actually adopted the additude that Margaret Sanger was opposed to abortion and yesterday one of them suggested to me that Albert Mohler is a eugenicist.

They don’t seem to realizes that the only ones they convince by repeating the lies are themselves. I’m sure they secretly wish that they had Josef Goebbels back to teach them how to be more effective.


169 posted on 02/13/2008 6:18:13 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: 8mmMauser
But, but... "echo chamber" sounds so much more diminutive. I prefer "Opera House" as at the Kennedy Center. It has some little known but incredible acoustics.

Fine. Make it Kennedy Center. What percentage of the NYC population will it hold?

My point was specific to the political impact of the Schiavo case, not the facts; I'm not getting into that argument, because the regular participants on these threads know every detail far better than I do.

While a fair number of people still feel passionately that Jeb acted wrongly, a large majority do not, and I don't see it having a serious impact on any future election unless that election has a razor-thin margin.

170 posted on 02/13/2008 7:39:47 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: ReignOfError; 8mmMauser; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; Sun; bjs1779; amdgmary; Lesforlife
My point was specific to the political impact of the Schiavo case, not the facts; I'm not getting into that argument, because the regular participants on these threads know every detail far better than I do.

Maybe 8mm didn't make it clear enough.

The SOLE purpose of the "Terri Dailies" threads is to preserve Terri's legacy by fighting against the culture of death and exposing their evil agenda. We ARE NOT here to debate anything on these threads.

Jim Robinson has made it abundantly clear on numerous occasions that Free Republic is pro-life. Obviously this stance is disagreeable to some Republicans, but I've never met a conservative who has a problem with it.

While a fair number of people still feel passionately that Jeb acted wrongly, a large majority do not, and I don't see it having a serious impact on any future election unless that election has a razor-thin margin.

Consider this, one of the primary problems that conservatives have with McCain is judicial appointments and this is specifically due to pro-life issues, in fact McCain's "stated" pro-life position is one of the ONLY positions that differentiates him from Rudy. Conversely one of the primary "victories" that conservatives bring up when asked about GWB is his appointment of Roberts and Scalia, again because they are pro-life. If you don't think that conservatives care about these issues, then you really haven't been paying attention.

171 posted on 02/13/2008 8:28:05 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Yesterday’s WND article about Soros funding McCain and
Jill Stanek’s blog post about McCain’s callous remarks
concerning Terri connected the dots for me. McCain is endorsed
by Republicans for Choice and is taking big $$ from the man
who almost single handedly changed America’s laws on
re-defining food and water as medical treatment which
can be withdrawn - Project on Death In America (PDIA.)

This sordid web of intrigue is beautifully chronicled by
Lifetree.org and I posted about it on lesforlife.blogspot
last night.

Heaven help us!!


172 posted on 02/13/2008 8:37:06 AM PST by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13!!!!!)
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To: wagglebee
Jim Robinson has made it abundantly clear on numerous occasions that Free Republic is pro-life. Obviously this stance is disagreeable to some Republicans, but I've never met a conservative who has a problem with it.

There are differences of opinion on specifics even among people who are staunchly pro-life, and I'll leave it at that.

If you don't think that conservatives care about these issues, then you really haven't been paying attention.

Of course, life is a key issue with conservatives -- the primary issue for many. My comments were on the impact of one specific case on one specific politician.

173 posted on 02/13/2008 8:44:14 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: ReignOfError; 8mmMauser; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; Sun; bjs1779; amdgmary; Lesforlife
There are differences of opinion on specifics even among people who are staunchly pro-life, and I'll leave it at that.

Actually there aren't, and, speaking only for myself, I will not stand for someone to come onto the Terri Daily threads and say that there are circumstances under which it is permissible to take proactive measures that can only result in the death of an innocent person against their will.

If you want to go discuss with others about how you are "pro-life except for. . ." there are plenty of places to do that. This thread IS NOT one of those.

My comments were on the impact of one specific case on one specific politician.

The Terri naysaying deathbots have never understood that it stopped being "just about Terri" at 9:05 AM on Thursday, March 31, 2005.

174 posted on 02/13/2008 8:57:01 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Lesforlife

I’ve never actually believed that McCain is pro-life, I don’t necessarily think he’s pro-death, I just don’t think he really cares about it one way or the other. However, he does understand that he has alienated himself on so many issues so he proclaims himself to be pro-life as a way of making himself seem more acceptable to conservatives.

But, like we saw with Romney, a person who isn’t actually pro-life doesn’t really “get it,” so whenever things deviate from the script they start showing their true colors.


175 posted on 02/13/2008 9:23:31 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: All; wagglebee

Closely related topic, if you don’t mind: The teenage boy who was shot (can’t remember the state) is now “clinically dead,” but they are putting him on life support so they can use his organs.

Whenever I hear this, I become very nervous.

How do they know for sure that boy is really dead?


176 posted on 02/13/2008 6:10:04 PM PST by Sun (Duncan Hunter:pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating!)
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To: wagglebee
Anti-Euthanasia is a designated category here at Free Republic. In her memory, Terri's Legacy Ping List was introduced after her untimely passing.

We've been together en masse here since 2003. It was murder in 2003 and it's still murder in 2008.

There is no gray area. Starvation and dehydration is barbaric as other methods of killing would be.

As per the St. Pete Times, Judge Greer states he doesn't look at the waterfront view at work. He keeps his desk facing the door. Suffice it to say there are metal detectors in that bldg. He can turn his desk any way he wants.

If he has demons, the desk is immaterial to them.

177 posted on 02/13/2008 7:55:55 PM PST by floriduh voter (FL Gov. Crist "This is America. I can wear whatever I want. I believe in freedom." You go, girl.)
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To: wagglebee
I, too, have the suspicion that Michael was responsible for Teri's brain injury, but there is no proof of that and now there will never be. It is indisputable that Michael was living with another woman by whom he had two children.

As long as I live, I will never forget Teri and those weeks of praying that a way would be found to save her followed by waiting for her to die in such a horrible, inhumane way. If that were to be done to an animal, the left would rise up in protest. And the liberals consider a few seconds of water-boarding "torture". They certainly have their priorities mixed up!
178 posted on 02/13/2008 10:18:37 PM PST by srmorton (Choose life!)
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To: srmorton

I hope you do not give up on whether any more proof exists.

Our close friend T’wit was exploring those grounds right up to the hour of his death, and we have not let go either. Bear in mind the event of her injury was classified a crime scene then and has been carried in Homicide at the St. Petersburg Police Department as a Cold Case to this day.

Compelling evidence showed what likely occurred that night and most all possible mitigating scenarios failed to explain. Much has never hit the media and much was squashed by the media, but it is there. With time, perhaps a little Earthly justice just may spring.


179 posted on 02/14/2008 3:20:34 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Good news from Canada...

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Winnipeg, Canada (LifeNews.com) -- The family of Samuel Golubchuck won a victory on Wednesday when a court issued an injunction preventing Grace General Hospital in Winnipeg from removing Samuel Golubchuk's life support and killing him. His family has been arguing with hospital officials who claim he is to far gone to receive proper medical care.

Grace Hospital will not be allowed to remove the respirator, dehydrate, or starve Golubchuck while the family presents more evidence at a trial.

Samuel Golubchuk is an elderly Jewish man who is on life support. His children are strongly opposed to removing him from a ventilator and feeding tube and have cited Jewish law which forbids such actions depriving people of their right to life.

The children also say that their father would oppose the stopping of lifesaving medical care if he could express his treatment wishes.

Alex Schadenberg of the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition told LifeNews.com he's delighted by the news................

Canada Court Prevents Hospital From Killing Samuel Golubchuk in Euthanasia

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180 posted on 02/14/2008 3:28:21 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Worth repeating...

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.- The Terri Schindler Schiavo Foundation and Priests for Life have established March 31 as “Terri’s Day” to mark the death of the severely-disabled Terri Schiavo from dehydration after her feeding tube was removed by court order.

The full title of the commemoration is "International Day of Prayer and Remembrance for Terri Schindler Schiavo, and All of Our Vulnerable Brothers and Sisters." The organizers hope that “Terri’s Day” will foster education, prayer, and activism regarding discrimination against the disabled. They hope the day will also encourage advocacy for those in situations similar to that of Terri Schiavo and her family.

President of Priests for Life Father Frank Pavone said, "Those of us who were with Terri will never forget her life and her death. For the sake of all the vulnerable, it is critically important that those who never knew Terri likewise remember the lessons that God taught us through her."
 
Suzanne Vitadamo, Terri's sister, said "No family should ever have to witness what my family witnessed, watching a loved one slowly dehydrate to death. We want Terri's day to remind us all that persons with disabilities are never burdens and should be treated with nothing but our unconditional love and compassion."

Both the websites of Terri’s Foundation and Priests for Life host educational information and prayer materials related to the day. Recommended “Terri’s Day” activities include prayer in remembrance of Terri Schiavo, essay contests about the Schiavo case and right to life issues, volunteering at a nursing home or hospital, and spending time with a disabled friend or relative. The websites are located at http://www.TerrisFight.org and http://ww.PriestsForLife.org

“Terri’s Day” to help disabled in memory of Terri Schiavo

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181 posted on 02/14/2008 3:33:54 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Bobby Schindler...

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(CNSNews.com) - A push to have the United Nations declare a universal moratorium on abortion does not have widespread international backing, but it is playing into the election campaign in Italy, where conservative opposition leader Silvio Berlusconi says he backs a ban.

Promoted by secular figures and Catholic bishops in several countries, the drive picked up steam following last December's U.N. General Assembly vote in favor of a moratorium on the death penalty.

~Snip~

A letter addressed to U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and heads of state calls for the addition of the words "from conception to natural death."

It urges "a moratorium on public policies that encourage any form of unjustified or selective enslavement of a human being in the womb through the arbitrary use of the power to annihilate, which violates the right to birth and to motherhood."

The letter has been signed by a number of mostly European academics and pro-life figures, as well as the editor-in-chief of the U.S.-based journal First Things , Richard John Neuhaus, and Bobby Schindler, the brother of Terri Schiavo.

Campaign for UN Abortion Moratorium Takes Shape

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182 posted on 02/14/2008 3:39:16 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Bobby Schindler...

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(CNSNews.com) - A push to have the United Nations declare a universal moratorium on abortion does not have widespread international backing, but it is playing into the election campaign in Italy, where conservative opposition leader Silvio Berlusconi says he backs a ban.

Promoted by secular figures and Catholic bishops in several countries, the drive picked up steam following last December's U.N. General Assembly vote in favor of a moratorium on the death penalty.

~Snip~

A letter addressed to U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and heads of state calls for the addition of the words "from conception to natural death."

It urges "a moratorium on public policies that encourage any form of unjustified or selective enslavement of a human being in the womb through the arbitrary use of the power to annihilate, which violates the right to birth and to motherhood."

The letter has been signed by a number of mostly European academics and pro-life figures, as well as the editor-in-chief of the U.S.-based journal First Things , Richard John Neuhaus, and Bobby Schindler, the brother of Terri Schiavo.

Campaign for UN Abortion Moratorium Takes Shape

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183 posted on 02/14/2008 3:41:52 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Bobby Schindler...

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(CNSNews.com) - A push to have the United Nations declare a universal moratorium on abortion does not have widespread international backing, but it is playing into the election campaign in Italy, where conservative opposition leader Silvio Berlusconi says he backs a ban.

Promoted by secular figures and Catholic bishops in several countries, the drive picked up steam following last December's U.N. General Assembly vote in favor of a moratorium on the death penalty.

~Snip~

A letter addressed to U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and heads of state calls for the addition of the words "from conception to natural death."

It urges "a moratorium on public policies that encourage any form of unjustified or selective enslavement of a human being in the womb through the arbitrary use of the power to annihilate, which violates the right to birth and to motherhood."

The letter has been signed by a number of mostly European academics and pro-life figures, as well as the editor-in-chief of the U.S.-based journal First Things , Richard John Neuhaus, and Bobby Schindler, the brother of Terri Schiavo.

Campaign for UN Abortion Moratorium Takes Shape

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184 posted on 02/14/2008 3:42:52 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

Server problems today... Server keeps saying post failed.


185 posted on 02/14/2008 3:47:53 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Poor Molly Ivins, now in the Heaven she sought... But she branded Hillary first, and but good, with that condemnation that Hillary didn't try hard enough to get Terri killed. Dang.

As far back as January 2006 — almost a year before her Elvis-Obama comment — Molly shocked women readers and friends and Clintonites by writing that no matter who ran she would not support Hillary. “Enough. Enough triangulation, calculation and equivocation. Enough clever straddling, enough not offending anyone.” Clinton’s inability to take a “clear stand on the war in Iraq” was enough to disqualify her, in Molly’s eyes. And her failure to speak out on the Terri Schiavo comatose case was another reason..............

Myra MacPherson: Molly Ivins, Elvis and Obama

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186 posted on 02/14/2008 3:52:02 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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An earlier update on Samuel Golubchuck ...

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Ottawa, Canada (LifeNews.com) -- The battle over Samuel Golubchuk has ignited a euthanasia debate in Canada that some pro-life observers are concerned will advance what they call the futile care theory. That's the notion that physicians have the right to decide when a patient is beyond help and arbitrarily end treatment -- leading to their certain death.

Samuel Golubchuk is an elderly Jewish man who is on life support.

His children are strongly opposed to removing him from a ventilator and feeding tube and have cited Jewish law which forbids such actions depriving people of their right to life.

The children also say that their father would oppose the stopping of lifesaving medical care if he could express his treatment wishes.

However, officials at the medical center's ICU who are treating Golubchuk have said their wishes don't matter and are intent on removing his lifesaving care.

Wesley J. Smith, a noted bioethicist and attorney, says euthanasia is becoming less and less about a patient's "choice" and more about a so-called duty to die.

He said euthanasia advocates "will impose the duty to die, first through futile care theory--which is just beginning now--and then later through more explicitly terminating actions."

He worries cases like Golubchuk's will advance the notion that doctors or medical bean-counters will have a significant influence over who lives and dies.

Smith says "doctors are presuming the right to terminate Mr. Golubchuk's life support and have the temerity to claim that they have the right to decide when the burden of treatment outweighs the benefit of being alive."

"If futile care theory prevails, what in the world makes anyone think that the forced removal of people from wanted treatment will stop at the ICU?" Smith concludes. "People who only need feeding tubes will soon be dehydrated (if they are not lethally injected first), and care will be rationed based on other criteria."

Smith says the next step will be the termination of so-called "marginally beneficial care" such as a mammogram for an 80-year-old woman perceived as too old to need such preventative medicine.

Related web sites:
Samuel Golubchuck - http://www.samuelgolubchuk.com

Battle Over Samuel Golubchuk, Canada's Terri Schiavo, Advances "Futile Care"

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187 posted on 02/14/2008 3:55:46 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
LifeSite carries the story on Samuel Golubchuk, too.

Anti- euthanasia leader warns more action needed to protect Golubchuk, other patients from hastened death by doctors

WINNIPEG, Manitoba, February 13, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The injunction preventing Winnipeg's Grace General Hospital from removing Life-Sustaining Care from Samuel Golubchuk has been upheld by Justice Perry Schulman of the Manitoba Court of Queen's Bench. The 84-year-old cognitively disable patient's family has been battling hospital doctors who are determined starve and dehydrate him to death regardless of the family's wishes.

The Winnipeg Free Press reported today that Justice Schulman ruled that the patient and his family have a right to a civil trial and ordered the hospital to not remove life support. Schulman also said his order must be added to Golubchuk's hospital chart to ensure that all medical staff follow the decision...............

Golubchuk injunction upheld - Winnipeg Hospital Ordered to Keep Patient on Life Support

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188 posted on 02/14/2008 4:01:18 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
The McCain Scrutiny...

"No McCain!" sez I...

This from Townhall of all places and Larry Elder.

In this case I guess I don't respect my Elders...

Are these the same Republicans who, pre-9/11, empathized with President Bush as he agonized over his decision to use federal funds for research on pre-existing embryonic stem cell lines? Federal funds! Are these the same limited-government Republicans who, post-9/11, sided with Bush when he expanded the Cabinet with the Department of Homeland Security -- demonstrating the Washington, D.C., axiom that another bureaucracy cures inefficient bureaucracy?

Are these the same principled states' rights Republicans who applauded when Congress big-footed its way into Florida's Terri Schiavo case? And how many conservative pundits still cheer when President Bush -- as he does often -- promises to use American power not merely for self-defense against Islamofascism, but to promote "the spread of liberty" throughout the world?...........

Yes, McCain!

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189 posted on 02/14/2008 4:11:12 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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The McCain Scrutiny meets the Obama Nation...

We have here a redux of the old propaganda shouting of the far left that decent Americans wanted innocents like Terri killed and hated any who would save that innocent life.

Sen. McCain also must battle the reality that his own party's excesses drive the national longing for change. In 1998, Democrats defied history and gained House seats in the midyear election of a second-term president. Then, voters were annoyed with Republicans for turning a seedy presidential affair into a constitutional crisis. In 2006, Democrats retook Congress because the GOP since 2001 and the election of George W. Bush had turned over the Capitol to corporate lobbyists and pushed a far-right social agenda, exemplified by the effort in 2005 to "save" Terri Schiavo. President Bush waited four days to visit the Gulf Coast after Katrina. He flew to Washington from vacation to sign the Schiavo bill, which the courts quickly tossed out......

Obama makes rivals ask: Where did my voters go?

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190 posted on 02/14/2008 4:18:31 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
An interesting article from Coach Dave Daubenmire....

............A women’s right to choose has taken men off of the hook. We exhorted some of the boyfriends at the death mill to be a man and go rescue their child from slaughter. To most of them, the child was a nuisance, something that would get in their way. A woman’s right to choose has stripped the man of “natural affection” for his offspring. He wouldn’t allow that to be done to his favorite huntin’ dog. “Hey, it’s her choice.” They repeat the feminist mantra. Men no longer defend their babies.

The law has lost all semblance of humanity. Police officers regularly guard the clinics and the “right of a woman” to kill the life within her. The law protects death, not life. (Can you say Teri Schiavo?) I always like to point that out to the policemen on duty.................

WITHOUT NATURAL AFFECTION

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191 posted on 02/14/2008 4:25:16 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; nicmarlo; bjs1779; BykrBayb; wagglebee
Used parts industry, "Made in China"...

Thanks, nicmarlo, for the tip.

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March 9, 2006, a Chinese journalist who escaped to the U.S. revealed to The Epoch Times newspaper the existence of a secret concentration camp in Sujiatun, Shenyang City, Liaoning Province*. At one point, more than 6,000 Falun Gong practitioners were held there, according to the journalist. It was learned that no one has ever left this place alive. Soon afterward, another witness confirmed the report of these crimes. According to this witness, the Sujiatun camp is located at the Liaoning Provincial Thrombosis Hospital of Integrated Chinese and Western Medicine in Sujiatun, Shenyang City. The witness is a former employee and her ex-husband had been a surgeon responsible for harvesting corneas. About 4,000 victims, many still alive, had their organs harvested and sold for huge profit, including kidneys, corneas, hearts, lungs, skin, and livers. The remaining prisoners could lose their lives at any time. Recently, a veteran military doctor from the Shenyang Military Region revealed that there are at least 36 concentration camps in China similar to the one in Sujiatun. He also indicated that over 10,000 people were indeed being kept in the Sujiatun camp in early 2005, organ removal is common practice, and cremation of the dead and even the living is not unusual. To his knowledge, the largest camp in China, with a codename "672-S," is located in Jilin Province and is said to hold over 120,000 people, among whom are Falun Gong practitioners from all over the country. He told The Epoch Times that according to latest policies, "…the Chinese Communist Party's Central Committee decided to treat Falun Gong practitioners as 'class enemies' and handle them in any manner that is economically profitable." In other words, similar to many other heavily sentenced prisoners in China, Falun Gong practitioners are no longer regarded as human beings, but as raw materials for commercial products.

Bar Of Integrity

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192 posted on 02/14/2008 4:30:14 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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I hope so! I take comfort in the fact that whether or not Michael is ever brought to justice on earth, he will have to answer for what he has done someday before One who knows exactly what happened. The same goes for Judge George Greer and George Felos.
193 posted on 02/14/2008 4:41:29 AM PST by srmorton (Choose life!)
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To: All; bjs1779; ButThreeLeftsDo; shoelessbuddha; wagglebee; BykrBayb
This thread from ButThreeLeftsDo is about a woman who started awaking from the wrong diagnosis of "brain dead" with a touch of ice to her lips. We remember our outrage when poor Terri went thirteen days with not a drop allowed to touch her parched lips. Here is the thread, with a thanks to bjs1779 for the ping.

How many people get a second chance at life? Rae Kupferschmidt has. In mid-January, the 65-year-old former medical secretary suffered a devasting cerebral hemorrhage, a massive bleeding on the brain.

"They thought I was dead," she says........

Lake Elmo woman makes miracle recovery from "brain dead" (MN)

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194 posted on 02/14/2008 4:42:06 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: srmorton
We persevere...

We have not forgotten the players, from Greed, to Dethnell to Felons.

"We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest."

195 posted on 02/14/2008 4:46:40 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Server problems today... Server keeps saying post failed.

I've been having that lately when I am posting to a large number of people (my moral absolutes list has over 200 people). Don't do anything, just go back to FR and look at your pings, you will see that it was posted.

196 posted on 02/14/2008 5:16:58 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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"But, but... "echo chamber" sounds so much more diminutive. I prefer "Opera House" as at the Kennedy Center. It has some little known but incredible acoustics."

Fine. Make it Kennedy Center. What percentage of the NYC population will it hold?

My point was specific to the political impact of the Schiavo case, not the facts; I'm not getting into that argument, because the regular participants on these threads know every detail far better than I do.

While a fair number of people still feel passionately that Jeb acted wrongly, a large majority do not, and I don't see it having a serious impact on any future election unless that election has a razor-thin margin.

I don't think you grasped my irony, nevertheless, the first thought flashing into my mind with the NYC analogy was this quote: "The Pope? How many divisions has he got?" Josef Stalin.

You are trying to separate politics from Terri's Legacy as if it were merely tangential, where in reality they are linked inexorably. Pooh pooh it if you wish, but just read only the posts I made this morning to get the drift.

I sense you are somehow justifying and defending Jeb. If so, consider this. We describe this thought process frequently enough in reviewing leftist thinking as cognitive dissonance, the ability to parse pro-life on one side and pro-lie on the other and somehow hold both together in separate compartments, for if we examine the two we find them mutually exclusive.

If I say I am pro-life, and I still love Jeb, I might wish to diminuate the role of pro-life so I can keep loving Jeb. I would have to, knowing the reality that he turned his back on this dying innocent.

Nice try, though.

197 posted on 02/14/2008 5:19:42 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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That is what I am finally doing. I open a new browser now and keep it refreshed, so I can check on every hung post. Normally it is ok, but with this new satellite broadband, such delays are frequent and come in series, spurts.


198 posted on 02/14/2008 5:23:15 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser; ReignOfError

If Jeb Bush had been a Democrat and allowed Terri to be murdered, Republicans would be all over him.

I WILL NOT give someone who allows a murder to take place a pass because they happen to be a member of a certain political party, or the brother and son of a president.

Jeb Bush had the clearly defined right and obligation under Florida’s Constitution to take physical custody of Terri to protect her. He DID NOT do this. If Terri had been one of Michael Vick’s pit bulls, Jeb would have been indicted for his role.

How in the world can we expect someone to protect the people of a state or the nation if they can’t even protect a woman lying in a hospital bed surrounded by rent-a-cops and some sheriff’s deputies?


199 posted on 02/14/2008 5:39:52 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Why else in those critical hours while Terri was slipping away did Jeb prefer to meet with Jesse Jackson, instead of even glancing at a laundry list of remedies which would have saved Terri properly and legally? The remedies would have removed all excuses. So he didn't look at them.

He also knew the significance of what he was doing as it was Holy Week and he was supposed to be a Catholic.

200 posted on 02/14/2008 7:37:22 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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