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Gunman Kills Five Women In Chicago Store
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 2-3-2008 | Tim Shipman

Posted on 02/02/2008 7:46:53 PM PST by blam

Gunman kills five women in Chicago store

By Tim Shipman in Chicago
Last Updated: 2:36am GMT 03/02/2008

Five people were shot dead at a women's clothing store in a Chicago suburb on Saturday.

Police evacuated the mall and sealed off the car park after at least five shots were fired

The victims, all women, were killed inside the Lane Bryant store at Brookside Marketplace shopping centre at Tinley Park, south of Chicago.

Police evacuated the mall and sealed off the car park after at least five shots were fired shortly before noon.

It is thought that the shooting occurred after a robbery went wrong and there were reports that the raider had taken some of the victims hostage in the plus-sized clothing store.

Police said that security cameras in the store had allowed them to tentatively identify the man, who is understood to have a history of armed robbery and a murder conviction.

The killer fled the scene after the shooting. A police dogs unit and helicopter were last night working to track down the suspect.

Armed officers also searched neighbouring stores in the area and cars in the parking lot.

Tinley Park Police Sgt TJ Grady said that they were looking for a 5ft 8in tall black man, weighing between 16 and 20 stone and wearing a waist-length black coat, a black knit cap, dark jeans and with braids in his hair.

One victim was was taken to the nearby St James Hospital and Health Care Centres for treatment to gunshot wounds but died later.

Sgt Grady said: "Responding units entered the store and found multiple victims that had been shot and killed.

"No motive has been established. Every store was immediately canvassed and a search by air, too, has given us every indication that the offender has left the scene."

Shoppers said that they were baffled by the motive behind the shooting as it had happened relatively early in the day, about 10.45, while shops would have had quite small amounts of money in their cash registers.

Residents of the predominantly white community of Tinley Park, which describes itself as Chicago's "fastest growing suburb" and has a population of about 58,000, said that they that were shocked by the shooting.

According to FBI crime statistics there was not a single murder in Tinley Park in 2007.

The other violent crime statistics are also low - four sexual assaults, 15 robberies and 38 assaults.

Greg Grace, from nearby Frankfort, who was in the parking lot outside Lane Bryant, said that he saw several stretchers being wheeled into the store. The stretchers were later wheeled out - carrying no wounded survivors.

The mayor, Edward Zabrocki, went to the scene and - looking very shaken - said: "We're very sad about this. We're a victim of our society that we live in."

One witness at the scene described how police officers responded quickly to news of the shootings and hunted the gunman through other stores on the strip mall, with guns drawn and sniffer dogs in tow.

Another witness, Tracy Caccavella, said that she was in a nearby PetSmart store when police burst in with their guns drawn. She said that the officers ordered the store's staff not to let in any more customers before conducting a 20-minute search.

The multiple killing comes a month after nine people died in a shooting at a shopping mall in Omaha, Nebraska.

Nineteen-year-old Robert Hawkins killed eight people, wounded four, then shot himself at the Westroads Mall on December 5 last year.

It was the deadliest shooting in Nebraska since the rampage of Charles Starkweather, who killed 11 people in 1958.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: banglist; chicago; fivekilled; gunfreezone; gunman; store; tinleypark
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I don't understand why this story hasn't been posted on FR?
1 posted on 02/02/2008 7:46:58 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Neither do I. What in the world happened here?


2 posted on 02/02/2008 7:50:05 PM PST by Ronin (Bushed out!!! Another tragic victim of BDS.)
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To: blam
Police said that security cameras in the store had allowed them to tentatively identify the man, who is understood to have a history of armed robbery and a murder conviction.

Murder conviction?!!! And he was out on the streets?!!!

3 posted on 02/02/2008 7:50:13 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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To: blam

I saw it posted twice earlier but for some reason it was pulled by the Mods.


4 posted on 02/02/2008 7:51:34 PM PST by BBell
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To: blam

-—Tinley Park Police Sgt TJ Grady said that they were looking for a 5ft 8in tall black man, weighing between 16 and 20 stone-—

WTF? 16 and 20 stone? Is the stone a popular unit of measure out Chicago way?


5 posted on 02/02/2008 7:53:19 PM PST by claudiustg (Sic Semper Tyrannus)
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To: Inyo-Mono

Why the frick don’t they tell the deserving public if the bastard is black, white, Latino, etc.? If they know who he is, why isn’t his mug shot being posted on all media??


6 posted on 02/02/2008 7:53:51 PM PST by levotb
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To: BBell

So did I! Why would the Mods pull 2 threads?


7 posted on 02/02/2008 7:54:09 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: blam

Illinois, one of the only two states that has total prohibition of concealed carry. And this will be the last to state to ever get it (it never will). The Chicago media will see to that.


8 posted on 02/02/2008 7:54:46 PM PST by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: blam

It was posted (a couple of times) earlier in the day. That said, I don’t understand this: “It is thought that the shooting occurred after a robbery went wrong ...”

Yeah, like a robbery can “go right”? The guy showed up with a gun, so he clearly was going to do whatever it took to get him the contents of the cash drawer. However, I suspect he probably knew somebody at the shop, or possibly even had been an employee at some point, and he killed them so they couldn’t identify him or possibly because he had a grudge against them.

Supposedly this guy is already a convicted felon (armed robbery), so you can see how well our justice system has protected us.


9 posted on 02/02/2008 7:55:32 PM PST by livius
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To: blam
Paging Barack Obama, paging Barack Obama!

Can someone please build a wall around Chicago and keep the savages in, doubt seriously if the perp lived in Tinley Park.

10 posted on 02/02/2008 7:55:54 PM PST by whatisthetruth
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To: REDWOOD99
Because all anyone was doing was making cracks about the store being for “plus-size women”. It was pretty disgusting.
11 posted on 02/02/2008 7:55:57 PM PST by stormer
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To: levotb

“Tinley Park Police Sgt TJ Grady said that they were looking for a 5ft 8in tall black man, weighing between 16 and 20 stone and wearing a waist-length black coat, a black knit cap, dark jeans and with braids in his hair.”

From the article you obviously didn’t read.


12 posted on 02/02/2008 7:56:13 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: claudiustg

Makes sense to UK readers of the Telegraph.
Gee, do you think Whoever let this human vermin out was a D?


13 posted on 02/02/2008 7:56:14 PM PST by acapesket (never had a vote count in all my years here)
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To: Lockbar

Frickin’ libs...The gun grabbers will kill us all, indirectly, I mean...If I were livin’ in IL, I’d be carryin’. law or no law...Life is simply too valuable...


14 posted on 02/02/2008 7:56:36 PM PST by levotb
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To: blam

“the plus-sized clothing store”

Was this little bit of info really needed?

That being said, it looks like the tough anti gun laws in Chicago really worked well. The law abiding citizens are again the victims.


15 posted on 02/02/2008 7:56:42 PM PST by squidward
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To: claudiustg

This is a story from the United Kingdom, Great Britain, England...across the pond.

A ‘stone’ is measured there as 14 pounds...three barley corns to the inch..

Pip pip cheerio!


16 posted on 02/02/2008 7:57:12 PM PST by GRRRRR (2008- A Year That Will Live in Infamy...)
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To: blam

Times UK????????


17 posted on 02/02/2008 7:57:55 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: stormer

So rather than removing posts and warning posters the Mods deleted the whole thread??


18 posted on 02/02/2008 7:58:07 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: blam
tentatively identify the man, who is understood to have a history of armed robbery and a murder conviction.

ONE murder conviction should keep a person, at the very LEAST, in prison for life.

Since it doesn't...five UNNECESSARILY DEAD people

19 posted on 02/02/2008 7:58:18 PM PST by bannie (clintons CHEAT! AAAALLWAYS!)
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To: livius
Police said that security cameras in the store had allowed them to tentatively identify the man, who is understood to have a history of armed robbery and a murder conviction.

Why was this guy back on the streets? Liberalism is a mental disorder and innocent people die as a result.

20 posted on 02/02/2008 7:58:57 PM PST by whatisthetruth
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To: rockinqsranch

errrrr Telegraph UK ??????? I meant.


21 posted on 02/02/2008 7:59:14 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: rockinqsranch
"Times UK????????"

No, The Telegraph (UK)

22 posted on 02/02/2008 8:00:09 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: BBell

I guess we’ll have to wait and see if this thread gets yanked, too.


23 posted on 02/02/2008 8:00:58 PM PST by tgslTakoma (Help fill John McCain's CPAC booth with heads of lettuce!)
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To: claudiustg

This is from the UK Telegraph so it must be a measure in England. I don’t get it, though.

I couldn’t find if they caught the guy. Is he still on the loose or in custody?


24 posted on 02/02/2008 8:02:12 PM PST by Pinkbell
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To: blam
Police said that security cameras in the store had allowed them to tentatively identify the man, who is understood to have a history of armed robbery and a murder conviction.

And someone allowed his history to repeat itself.

25 posted on 02/02/2008 8:02:14 PM PST by OCC
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To: blam

See post .....#21


26 posted on 02/02/2008 8:02:43 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: BBell

I think it was pulled because too many people made fat jokes about Lane Bryant customers.


27 posted on 02/02/2008 8:02:45 PM PST by TLEIBY308 (I AM PRO CHOICE,I BELEIVE EVERYONE SHOULD CARRY WHAT EVER GUN THEY CHOOSE)
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To: Aaron0617
All four threads including the one I created still exist. Also, No updates since early this morning. Suspect still on the loose.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1963893/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1963905/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1963899/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1963945/posts

28 posted on 02/02/2008 8:04:25 PM PST by Aaron0617
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To: levotb
“If I were livin’ in IL, I’d be carryin’. law or no law...Life is simply too valuable...”

I used to carry all the time (S&W Model 10 snub or Walther PPK/S). If caught, it was just a $500 fine and loose the gun. Now 10 years later its a “class X felony”. You won’t even be able to buy .22 long rifle cartridges at Wal-Mart.

29 posted on 02/02/2008 8:04:39 PM PST by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: blam

He had a criminal record and previous murder conviction. I wonder if he was released from an Arkansas prison by Huckabee.


30 posted on 02/02/2008 8:06:18 PM PST by Abbeville Conservative (Voted for Fred but now for Mitt. Huck sucks and McCain's deranged.)
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To: squidward
People like that shooter shouldn't be allowed to have guns. Oh, wait, he is a felon and thus isn't allowed to have a gun. Now how could he have gotten an illegal gun? Duh...

Another gun free and defenseless victim zone succeeds in protecting their patrons. [/sarcasm]

31 posted on 02/02/2008 8:07:50 PM PST by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: blam; Ronin

I was looking for it also. I guess one of us could have posted it...


32 posted on 02/02/2008 8:08:37 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: blam
One or two got pulled after being damaged beyond repair by jokes about Lane Bryant.

A number of threads remain. There may be problems with title search.

33 posted on 02/02/2008 8:10:16 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: squidward
"the plus-sized clothing store"

Was this little bit of info really needed?

It goes to motive. Seeing as how the government is now considering laws to punish the obese, the fellow was actually thinning out the public at-large.

34 posted on 02/02/2008 8:12:41 PM PST by Tall_Texan (No Third Term For Bill Clinton!)
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To: Abbeville Conservative

Just like I said over on the other thread about the teen scumbags who stole a girl scout’s money, people just tolerate too much bad behavior. This piece of garbage was a convicted killer but he was out on the street?? We will probably hear the usual outrage now that this shouldn’t have happened. Yet every time it does happen, nothing changes. Criminals will get even softer treatment when a Democrat president is appointing federal judges too. Voters don’t think of things like that.


35 posted on 02/02/2008 8:15:42 PM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: blam

there are a few threads

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1963945/posts


36 posted on 02/02/2008 8:18:31 PM PST by RDTF
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To: TNCMAXQ

I am still curious as to why this is not being reported in the US media. Has anyone seen or heard anything about it, other than this thread?


37 posted on 02/02/2008 8:20:17 PM PST by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: levotb
...don’t they tell the deserving public if the bastard is black, white, Latino, etc.?

You can rant, or you can read the story. I read, you rant.

"a 5ft 8in tall black man"

38 posted on 02/02/2008 8:20:45 PM PST by PAR35
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To: blam
Tinley Park Police Sgt TJ Grady said that they were looking for a 5ft 8in tall black man, weighing between 16 and 20 stone and wearing a waist-length black coat, a black knit cap, dark jeans and with braids in his hair.

Whatever happened to metric? All I ever hear is criticism for the US sticking to English units.

39 posted on 02/02/2008 8:20:55 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: basil

yes - all over. But the election news is taking priority


40 posted on 02/02/2008 8:21:42 PM PST by RDTF
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To: blam
......said that they were looking for a 5ft 8in tall black man, weighing between 16 and 20 stone.....

That's between 224 and 280 pounds here in the good 'ol U.S. of A.

1 Stone = 14 pounds

41 posted on 02/02/2008 8:23:49 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: basil

It’s been top of the news most of the day on radio. Primary coverage and the Super Bowl are vying for attention with it.


42 posted on 02/02/2008 8:27:50 PM PST by JennysCool (They all say they want change, but they’re really after folding money.)
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.don’t they tell the deserving public if the bastard is black, white, Latino, etc.?

Only in the UK paper. Not online on the US sources.

43 posted on 02/02/2008 8:28:43 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: blam

I could swear that earlier on Fox and MSNBC.com, I read that he was much taller, and they gave his weight in pounds. All that information is missing from the updated articles now, and they’ve been relegated to secondary news. You have to look for the articles.

I don’t understand why the description is missing now. I understand the PC crap can’t racially profile and all, but even his height and weight. What are people supposed to do, call the police on every male they see?


44 posted on 02/02/2008 8:30:18 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: claudiustg

Yeah, in Chicago they use that to figure out how much concrete it will take to keep the body at the bottom of the lake.


45 posted on 02/02/2008 8:30:36 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: blam

wonder if this guy was let out early by Governor Ryan. remember the governor that commuted all the death sentences. i think he let alot of people out too.


46 posted on 02/02/2008 8:30:52 PM PST by jjw
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To: whatisthetruth
Why was this guy back on the streets? Liberalism is a mental disorder and innocent people die as a result.

There is a segment of society that firmly believes in the death penalty... for the innocent, that is.

47 posted on 02/02/2008 8:31:29 PM PST by Ezekiel
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To: basil
Chicago Tribune online

Story here...do not know if it requires sign-up.

48 posted on 02/02/2008 8:31:30 PM PST by Buddy B (MSgt Retired-USAF)
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To: blam
...identify the man, who is understood to have a history of armed robbery and a murder conviction.

This is why Kaleeeeeeforneeeeeya has a 3-strikes law.

49 posted on 02/02/2008 8:33:13 PM PST by null and void (Conservatism. It's the new Black...)
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To: RDTF; JennysCool

That was a silly thing for me to say—I never watch tv, and since it’s Saturday, I haven’t even had the radio on!


50 posted on 02/02/2008 8:33:41 PM PST by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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