Skip to comments.U.S. close to decision on polar bears
Posted on 02/03/2008 12:41:10 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
A polar bear mother and her two cubs are shown in Wapusk National Park
on the shore of Hudson Bay near Churchill, Manitoba, Canada in this
Nov. 6, 2007 file photo.
The Bush administration is nearing a decision that would officially acknowledge the environmental damage of global warming, and name its first potential victim: the polar bear.
The Interior Department may act as soon as this week on its year-old proposal to make the polar bear the first species to be listed as threatened with extinction because of melting ice due to a warming planet.
Both sides agree that conservationists finally have the poster species they have sought to use the Endangered Species Act as a lever to force federal limits on the greenhouse gases linked to global warming, and possibly to battle smokestack industry projects far from the Arctic.
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others," said Kassie Siegel, an attorney with the nonprofit Center for Biological Diversity. "And then there is the polar bear."
Even Frank Luntz, the political consultant who advised President Bush six years ago to focus on discrediting the science of global warming and refer to it as "climate change," has recognized the bear's potency. In an interview on the environmental website Grist.org, he said the public has a "soft side" for the bear.
(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...
Federal government scientists have presented increasingly compelling evidence that the top predator at the top of the world is doomed if the polar regions get warmer and sea ice continues to melt as forecast.
But in fact the Artic Ocean Ice has returned.....
See this thread:
Posted on 02/03/2008 10:53:41 AM PST by Straight Vermonter
Poppycock........there are more polar bears now than in 1950. We all know what this is and I’ll be plenty PO’d if the Bush Adminstration lets this through. Plenty PO’d. That’s putting it mildly, for not wanting to be offensive on FR.
Just do like Clinton said and slow our economy down to stop Global Warming and we can save the bears. I’m sure some major wealth redistribution plans would also help stop global warming.
If libs wanna help the bears they should go up and feed themselves to the bears. Its a win-win. Bears get to eat and the carbon footprint of these folks is eliminated.
Back in the 1950s they said there was something around 5000 or so polar bears. Today their numbers are about 50,000. The polar bear is thriving in today’s climate. More are surviving. A factor of ten increase in their numbers over 60 years is not a species that is endangered.
Facts never bother liberals. They gloss over anything not furthering the agenda. Facts get in the way. Just watch Algore’s movie. He doesn’t mind trashing facts and lying about what’s going on.
In other news, Polar Bear populations have been GROWING.....
Plus, it’s well known that polar bears do not ‘get stranded’ on ice blocks and are helpless if they’re on one. They are great swimmers, and enjoy it. They can swim miles and miles if they have to.
No, WE would be the ones trapped and deserving of “poor, poor human” if WE got caught on a ice chunk that broke off and was floating around in the arctic, NOT the polar bear.
Envirowacks are so ignorant.
Image borrowed from the other thread...see link above....
Will they ban the ice breaker vessels that are chopping up the bears’ habitat and causing most of the ice recession during the melting seasons?
Sounds good to me....
Hurry up and decide, because global cooling is just starting! If you wait too long, the poor bears will become confused as to their status!
You know a more accurate rallying cry for these wack jobs, instead of “IT’S GLOBAL WARMING!” would be:
“IT’S NATURE!” “WE MUST STOP NATURE!” Because it is nature doing all this. An equally good one would be: “THE SUN! WE MUST STOP THE SUN!” Because the sunspot/electrical cycles of the sun heat and cool the earth and affect our patterns here more than anything else.
These guys are such morons. They think they are just so smart with their tiny, imperfect, doomsday computer models and getting themselves all ‘hysterical’ (because they are acting like scared little girls) and trying to get us to believe in the monster under the bed like they do.
They should ban all the environut boat tours to these areas because the morons tend to run into icebergs and contaminate the waters with fuel oil when their boats sink...
Well, it’s all a bunch of lies, but the bureaucracy only moves in one direction. If this stupid idiocy is passed, it will never be undone.
Very, very disappointing. Does Bush think the environmentalists will give him any credit for this? Did they give him any credit for his stupid ethanol proposal?
Of course not.
Communists, socialists, envirowackos and politicians are NEVER satisfied, no matter how much you give them or how much you concede. You are spot-on — once this is passed, I’m not sure it would ever be undone, no matter how much damage is done to our economy, how much our lifestyles are reduced and how many of our liberties are yielded up.
Polar bear nonsense.
New!!: Dr. John Ray's
Ping me if you find one I've missed.
Am I the only person who doesn’t give a rat’s ass whether the polar bears live or die?
Why is less ice bad for them?
Do they eat the ice?
Oh brother. I keep hoping that people will wake up to the fact that Global Warming is a political agenda to cajole the sheeple into acepting socialism. Sigh.
Hint....Read the Article...
LOL! There is even a polar bear pilot in the chopper!
I’d hate to be the frigid researcher who goes out and counts ‘em, but according to this source, it doesn’t look like a declining population to me:
Genetic analysis of polar bears from all over the Arctic has not shown any significant variations between populations from different areas (Stirling 1998).
[Note: Figures given are for wild populations only.]
1965: About 10,000 (IUCN 1966)
1967: About 10,000 (Schuhmacher 1967)
1972: Roughly estimated at 20,000 (DeMaster & Stirling 1981)
1983: Perhaps 20,000 (Nowak & Paradiso 1983)
1996: 20,000 - 30,000 (Watson 1996)
1997: 22,000 - 27,000 (Garner 1997)
1998: 22,130 - 27,030 (Truett & Johnson 2002)
2001: At least 22,000 (Schliebe 2001)
2002: 21,500 - 25,000 (Lunn et al. 2002)
2005: 20,000 - 25,000 (Polar Bear Spec. Gr. 2005)
2006: 20,000 - 25,000 (IUCN 2006)
It then continues to page 14,...and has several more photos and Graphs regarding the decline of the ice pack over the last thirty years,...and shows the various regions of the Arctic with current counts of the estimated Polar Bears and then shows a projection of the population in 2050....
Over here! Maybe it's full of liberals and we can have them for dinner...
They get hypothermia if they are in the water too long....
Now that is an amazing picture....
Black bear: "Look, I got feelings for all bears, ya know, but let's get real. Why it only the white bears you worried about? I got people hunting my family every day. You can just buy a bear license. Ain't for no polar bear though, no! I can live anywhere from Canada to Florida. It ain't my fault they think they gotta live on ice. Damn arctic like some kinda gated community. Come back when you start counting black bears, OK?"
Grizzly: "I have friends that are polar bears, and they're OK. A little pale and strange, but OK. Frankly I don't see all the fuss though. You think the world's running outta ice? Just head that direction and let me know what you see for the next few thousand miles. Ain't nobody worried that grizzlies might be in danger. All you send us is these skinny meals with bells and pepper. How about a nice holstein now and then? Taco Bell with no lettuce or tomato? You wanna get all teary-eyed about my homies up north, go ahead. They're laughing all the way to the seal hole."
I’m not a scientist, correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t all this “endangered species” stuff now completely a moot point?
There are NO LONGER ANY “ENDANGERED” SPECIES if we apply to them the same science were using on humans, to wit:
cloning, test tube babies, freezing embryos, sperm banks, harvesting ovums, fertilizing in vitro, etc.
Just get some polar bear sperm and eggs and a little lab going, and voila, endless polar bears (or any other species).
Why is this sort of experimentation on humans being pushed as cutting edge science for the good of humanity, but yet, they don’t think to apply the same technology where there would be no moral objections and possibly scientific discoveries?
Just another government scam to screw over the taxpayers and keep the “grants” flowing to the enviroloonies.
In Colorado & Wyoming, the Prebles Meadow Jumping Mouse is possibly going off the list due the fact that the DNA is the same as any meadow mouse...same with many other “endangered” species.
I sincerely believe that Bush has lost his mind.
Global warming will ease your hard drive. Not the data, but your actual hard drive! Not only that, but it will scramble any disks that are even close to your computer. It will recalibrate your refrigerator's coolness setting so all your ice cream goes melty. It will demagnetize the strips on all your credit cards, screw up the tracking on your television and use subspace field harmonics to scratch any CD's you try to play.
It will give your ex-girlfriend your new phone number. It will mix Kool-aid into your fishtank. It will drink all your beer and leave its socks out on the coffee table when there's company coming over. It will put a dead kitten in the back pocket of your good suit pants and hide your car keys when you are late for work.
Global warming will make you fall in love with a penguin. It will give you nightmares about circus midgets. It will pour sugar in your gas tank and shave off both your eyebrows while dating your girlfriend behind your back and billing the dinner and hotel room to your Discover card.
It will seduce your grandmother. It does not matter if she is dead, such is the power of Global warming, it reaches out beyond the grave to sully those things we hold most dear.
It moves your car randomly around parking lots so you can't find it. It will kick your dog. It will leave libidinous messages on your boss's voice mail in your voice! It is insidious and subtle. It is dangerous and terrifying to behold. It is also a rather interesting shade of mauve.
Global warming will give you Dutch Elm disease. It will leave the toilet seat up. It will make a batch of Methanphedime in your bathtub and then leave bacon cooking on the stove while it goes out to chase gradeschoolers with your new snowblower.
Listen to me. Global warming does not exist.
It cannot do anything to you. But I can. I am sending this message to everyone in the world. Tell your friends, tell your family. If anyone else bothers me with fearmongering concerning Global warming, I will turn hating them into a religion. I will do things to them that would make a horsehead in your bed look like Easter Sunday brunch.
Hey buddy. Do I need to call my lawyer?
Oh, Bush will approve it. He wants to make friends with his friends at the DNC.
Actually, I’ve read the current number is 22,000, but it’s still a good point.
'far from the Arctic'?
If The Endangered Species Act can use the polar bear's 'potential extinction' threat to beat China over the head, I'm all for it. We know where the majority of air polution originates, don't we?
I personally don’t spare a lot of sympathy for animals that have us on the menu.
Thank Gawd we have those with concerning priority in charge of maintaining our sovereignty. /s
As early as 1998, scientists were claiming that industrial pollution from China was spreading to the United States where pollution in the U.S. was rising to two-thirds the federal health limits. The current storm proves this theory to be true. Pollution from Asia is reaching in the U.S. in alarming amounts.
I am only reporting what the grizzly bear said. You would have to take it up with the bears.
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