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Posted on 02/04/2008 7:36:26 AM PST by VRing
I saw the Rodney King video, too. It turns out that the truth was far less complimentary to Mr. King than the video was ... which was why the cops were acquitted in the criminal case.
You're all pissed at me because I refuse to go along with you and the other FR lemmings on this. What is it about me taking the position of "waiting for some real facts" that so offends you?
I can't tell you anything. I don't know the facts of the case. And neither do you.
One simple question for you:
Would you want this “Procedure” done to any female member of your family?
If your answer is anything but NO,then you are in the “just following orders” crowd.
I suggested in another post that her lawyer might want to seek outside help. Don't know what his "forte" is, but he's probably not up to taking these creeps to the mat.
I really don't care what her offense was. If she threatened suicide (which I seriously doubt) then she should've been taken care of by deputies of the same sex. If there were not enough female deputies available, then they should've called for outside help.
Were I this woman's husband, I would sue this bunch of creeps and the county that owns them back to the stone age. I can think of no excuse for this kind of behavior.
It’s outrageous to me that our police have to put up with out of control citizens.
"Simple" as in stupid.
You're trying a different tactic to make me pass judgment on this case. The problem is, there's still no way to answer it without facts or context, of which we still have none.
The problem is that I don't know the circumstances of this case, and I surely don't know the hypothetical circumstances of why a female member of my family would be in a similar situation.
Sheesh.
Well tell me then, if they were afraid she was going to commit suicide, why would they put her in a concrete cell, where one could easily stand on the bench and jump head first onto the concrete cell floor?
If suicide is the excuse, why was she not put in a padded cell, taken to a hospital, or restrained while in custody, etc?
I can't tell you anything. I don't know the facts of the case. And neither do you.
But you already did say something. Based on what you said, I responded to your statement...Now you say you don't know the facts?
Talk about Lemmings....
Danger Will Robinson!!!
Obviously some information is not here. Why did the officers feel the need to videotape their actions?
Where is the rest of the tape? Was this done to prevent her from filing a complaint because she was arrested and thrown to the ground in the first place (intimidation)?
Even lacking all the details and video (where is it?)I do not believe this to be conduct to be reasonable. Can someone explain and justify this as reasonable conduct to a normal citizen? Where is the Supervisor, is he in charge of this? If they thought she was truly suicidal why no suicide watch? No visit from Doctor or nurse? It does not pass my smell test. This is something that happens in a third world country, is the US now a third world country?
Kinda like tasering the guy in Utah who wouldn’t sign his speeding ticket...or shooting the family dog in Tennessee who was guilty of wagging his tail...
Yeah dodge the stupid question. We can’t make the cops look bad. NO MATTER WHAT.
Hehehehe. I didn't really know anything about Stark county, I just figured it was probably like Adams County, which I do know has a shortage of teeth.
“It’s outrageous to me that our police have to put up with out of control citizens”
Of course it is. You want your government paycheck and don’t want to have to work for it. There’s lots of people like you around. Us citizens, however, want you government slugs to do your job and obey the damn law while you’re doing it. Do you have some kind of problem with that?
OK, one last time -- typing slowly so that you have time to calm your overheated temper and begin exercising your reason. I use the example because it's a good case study for why you should never judge a situation based solely on a videotape showing only a small portion of the actual situation, and without other supporting facts to explain what the video is showing.
The Rodney King video showed something that made the cops look pretty damned bad. All we saw, for weeks, was a group of cops beating the hell out of poor Rodney. My, my, but those cops were out of control. Except, it turned out that Mr. King's behavior was not remotely innocent -- when understood in context, the cops' actions made a great deal of sense. The problem was that CNN and the race pimps did not tell you the whole story.
Which brings us to this case. You've SEEN a video, which makes the cops look pretty bad. And you've got the lady's lawyer, speaking through a sympathetic reporter, giving you no real facts aside from that video. And that's it. You actually know almost nothing of what went on that night.
The point being: facts are important, and it's generally considered a good thing to have them before condemning folks for things.
What I said, was that this looks like a case of "more to the story." When asked what sort of context would justify what the cops did, I speculated that a suspicion of suicidal tendencies would probably explain it.
If suicide is the excuse, why was she not put in a padded cell, taken to a hospital, or restrained while in custody, etc?
I don't know why. I do know, however, that cops don't always take such folks to the hospital; but they do take away the means by which a person might hang herself.
You are very good at pleading the 5th. I'm done with you.
Not a bad idea, actually. If these little limpwrists with automatic weapons who pass for police officers today want to play soldier, let them join the army and go to Iraq.
LOL! Yeah, sure.
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If they were afraid she was going to commit suicide, why would they put her in a concrete cell, where one could easily stand on the bench and jump head first onto the concrete cell floor? She was not restrained in her cell. There was just a case last year where an individual hopped up on the cell bench, and jumped head first onto the concrete floor, killing himself.
Seems to me, if they thought this individual was potentially suicidal, why would they put her unrestrained in a concrete jail cell, instead of driving her over to the local hospital if in fact they believed she had a mental condition and was suicidal.
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