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Was Encounter With Cheney a Touch, a Slap, or a Shove?
The Los Angeles Times ^ | February 4, 2008 | DeeDee Correll, Staff Writer

Posted on 02/04/2008 1:05:08 PM PST by truthkeeper

DENVER -- No one can agree on what exactly happened the day a Colorado man spotted Dick Cheney strolling the streets of a ski resort town and decided to give the vice president a piece of his mind.

Steve Howards, 55, says he walked up to Cheney and delivered his message -- "Your policies in Iraq are disgusting" -- then lightly touched the vice president's shoulder.

The White House photographer says he saw Howards slap Cheney on the back.

Cheney's personal aide remembers Howards placing his hand on Cheney's arm and shaking his hand.

As for the Secret Service agents who arrested Howards on suspicion of assault: two say he lightly clapped Cheney on the shoulder; one demonstrated it as a shove; a fourth said Howards reached over several small children and struck Cheney.

Since the agents -- now accusing one another of changing their stories and lying about what happened -- can't agree, Cheney should give his own version, Howards said.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cheney; president; secretservice; stevehowards; usss
P.U...something stinks.
1 posted on 02/04/2008 1:05:11 PM PST by truthkeeper
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To: truthkeeper

How did he get that close to the VP in the first place?......


2 posted on 02/04/2008 1:06:59 PM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: truthkeeper

I’ll bet if Cheney was hunting, he would’ve kept his distance!


3 posted on 02/04/2008 1:07:44 PM PST by Slapshot68
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To: truthkeeper

It’s the LA times and I would take their characterizations of what the witnesses said with a major grain of salt.


4 posted on 02/04/2008 1:07:47 PM PST by joebuck
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To: truthkeeper

They should just go out to the hunting lodge and settle it over a beer. ;~))


5 posted on 02/04/2008 1:08:54 PM PST by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: joebuck

Try the whole salt lick!


6 posted on 02/04/2008 1:09:01 PM PST by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: truthkeeper
...Cheney should give his own version, Howards said.

"Well, I was just about to reach for my shotgun, and the damned Secret Service agents took this guy away...."

Seriously, how could anyone get that close to the Veep?

P.S. I'm REALLY looking forward to whatever book the V.P. decides to write. I rather doubt that he'll pull any punches.

7 posted on 02/04/2008 1:09:31 PM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation trying to stop Monica's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife from becoming President)
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To: truthkeeper
Steve Howards - "Your policies in Iraq are disgusting"

Dick Cheney - "Well, lets go hunting next week and we'll talk about it."

8 posted on 02/04/2008 1:09:54 PM PST by Pistolshot (Those with a lively sense of curiosity learn something new every day of their lives.)
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To: Red Badger

“How did he get that close to the VP in the first place?......

It sounds like someone really messed up. This loon could have had a weapon.


9 posted on 02/04/2008 1:10:39 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland ("We have to drain the swamp" George Bush, September 2001)
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To: Pistolshot

Heh, heh!


10 posted on 02/04/2008 1:10:40 PM PST by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: Red Badger

I was wondering the same thing.


11 posted on 02/04/2008 1:10:56 PM PST by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: truthkeeper
He's lucky he didn't get perforated on the spot.
12 posted on 02/04/2008 1:11:09 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Pistolshot

Maybe Bob Knight can go for good measure. If Cheney doesn’t shoot him, Coach Knight will.


13 posted on 02/04/2008 1:11:17 PM PST by cdga5for4
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To: Red Badger

I agree. How did this idiot get close enough to touch him (regardless of whether it was a slap, a shove, etc) and now the guy is obviously angling for a lawsuit. Had he been tasered, he’d be angling for a lawsuit against the “jack-booted thugs”. Let the whiney bastard yell at Cheney from a dozen yards away- don’t allow him close enough to touch the second most powerful man on the planet...


14 posted on 02/04/2008 1:13:17 PM PST by philled ("Pacifism ... can only be preached behind the protective cover of the Royal Navy."-- Orwell)
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To: truthkeeper
Is the Los Angeles Times Insane, Mean-spirited, or just Going Out of Business?
15 posted on 02/04/2008 1:14:36 PM PST by pabianice
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To: pabianice

All three.


16 posted on 02/04/2008 1:15:20 PM PST by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: truthkeeper

I respect Cheney immensely, and think he does have a strong policy voice in the White House. But by saying that the policy in Iraq is Cheney’s policy, Howard is self-identifying as a lefty moron. This notion that Bush is Cheney’s puppet, and that Cheney pulls all the strings in the White House, is standard fair over at Kook Central.


17 posted on 02/04/2008 1:16:12 PM PST by gridlock (Proud Romney Supporter since January 20, 2008)
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To: truthkeeper
Was Encounter With Cheney a Touch, a Slap, or a Shove?

I don't care if they call it an assasination attempt. You don't walk up to the Vice-President of the U.S. and lay your hand on him.

18 posted on 02/04/2008 1:16:26 PM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Red Badger

bingo question....


19 posted on 02/04/2008 1:16:49 PM PST by stylin19a
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To: Red Badger

Colorado hippies... hate everyone.


20 posted on 02/04/2008 1:16:50 PM PST by JFC (Our "my FRiend" is not our FRiend)
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To: pabianice

Yes.


21 posted on 02/04/2008 1:16:55 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Pistolshot

lol


22 posted on 02/04/2008 1:17:04 PM PST by catbertz
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To: cdga5for4

Maybe Bob Knight can go for good measure. If Cheney doesn’t shoot him, Coach Knight will.

Whatever.. I live in same town as Bob Knight.. that shooting story was way over blown. Knight was hunting birds not shooting at the 15 fame minute dude.


23 posted on 02/04/2008 1:18:33 PM PST by JFC (Our "my FRiend" is not our FRiend)
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To: truthkeeper

If you touch a Vice-President at all unless it’s to touch his hand in a rope line, don’t come to me seeking sympathy for whatever follows. Whether it’s Cheney or Gore, you just don’t touch the Vice-Presidents.

What follows is of your own doing.

Sub 60 I.Q. alert!


24 posted on 02/04/2008 1:19:22 PM PST by DoughtyOne (McCain: RNC will adore him. Get ready for McCain day in photos & Prayer threads. Furrball isle 08.)
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To: truthkeeper

The shocking part is that some clown could put his hand on the Vice President in any way. Somebody should be in trouble for this.


25 posted on 02/04/2008 1:19:26 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl (I'd rather win with McCain than lose with Romney)
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To: Slapshot68

lol


26 posted on 02/04/2008 1:19:32 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: truthkeeper

Good thing he didn’t get hit with an ash tray.


27 posted on 02/04/2008 1:21:25 PM PST by blackdog
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To: DoughtyOne

Yes, I’d say keep one’s distance from Prez or Vice Prez, especially, unless invited to shake hands. The Secret Service has a job to do and it must be respected.


28 posted on 02/04/2008 1:22:18 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: truthkeeper

If I remember correctly this nutcase was bragging about telling off Cheney. Now, like the good liberal he is he is suing someone.

He had better be glad it wasn’t Bill Clinton. He would still be in jail (or worse).

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Steven Howards is suing the Secret Service. Or, at least, one of its agents.

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Howards recalls having touched Cheney’s suit, then walked away with his eight year old son in tow. As he headed off to meet his wife a secret service agent approached him an asked if he had assaulted the Vice President. Howard replied that if free speech was assault then arrest me. He was arrested and while being pushed into a Secret Service vehicle, his wife had arrived and asked where he was being taken, she was not given an answer. Howards was charged with federal assault. That was reduced to state harassment three hours later when his wife paid the $500 bail.

Howards is suing the Secret Service for harassment.


29 posted on 02/04/2008 1:23:19 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Non-Sequitur

Bingo.

It was battery. Battery is nothing more than an a touching that was unconsented to.


30 posted on 02/04/2008 1:23:55 PM PST by bshomoic
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To: F15Eagle

You’ve got your kid in toe and do this? What a loon.

You’re right. This guy gets my dumb move of month award.


31 posted on 02/04/2008 1:27:08 PM PST by DoughtyOne (McCain: RNC will adore him. Get ready for McCain day in photos & Prayer threads. Furrball isle 08.)
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To: truthkeeper

I guess this is all about a lawsuit. Someone looking to get rich off the Government.


32 posted on 02/04/2008 1:27:17 PM PST by martinidon
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To: truthkeeper

33 posted on 02/04/2008 1:29:05 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

ROFL...love that one!


34 posted on 02/04/2008 1:29:38 PM PST by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
"I don't care if they call it an assasination attempt. You don't walk up to the Vice-President of the U.S. and lay your hand on him."

Precisely.

35 posted on 02/04/2008 1:31:50 PM PST by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: truthkeeper

Howard’s attorney is David Lane, same one who represented Ward Churchill. That’s what stinks.


36 posted on 02/04/2008 1:31:51 PM PST by keepitreal ( John McCain: Foot soldier of the Reagan Revolution who went AWOL)
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To: keepitreal

The continuing effort to debase this good man. i am sick of it. You included, Letterman.


37 posted on 02/04/2008 1:37:08 PM PST by Shady (The Fairness Doctrine is ANYTHING but fair!!!!)
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To: truthkeeper
"Your policies in Iraq are disgusting"

What a f**cking whiner! Reminds me of that scene in "Waiting for Guffma," when Corky says "You're just bastard people and I'm going home to bite my pillow!" What a f**ktard!

38 posted on 02/04/2008 1:37:20 PM PST by drew
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To: keepitreal

Move that trial to Savannah and please let me be on the jury!! I’ll find for the Secret Service guys, and fine the loon $5,000,000 for being really stupid, and fine his lawyer the same amount for hanging around really stupid folks! Just think, taking out two pompous asses at the same time.....


39 posted on 02/04/2008 1:40:37 PM PST by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: drew

Make that “Waiting for GuffMAN.”


40 posted on 02/04/2008 1:40:38 PM PST by drew
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To: truthkeeper
Howards, 55, says he walked up to Cheney and delivered his message -- "Your policies in Iraq are disgusting"

Typical, stupid liberal. All emotion and zeal, he resorts to meaningless whining about his disgust. He had a real chance to have a meaningful converstation with one of the most powerful men in the world and the best he can come up with is "Your policies are disgusting." What a loser.

42 posted on 02/04/2008 1:44:02 PM PST by subterfuge (1st choice: Hunter------2nd choice: Thompson-----3rd choice: there is no 3rd choice!)
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To: cdga5for4

Knight is a much more frightening hunting partner, that’s for sure.


43 posted on 02/04/2008 1:55:02 PM PST by SlapHappyPappy
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To: Non-Sequitur

Yes, politicians are so far above us commoners.


44 posted on 02/04/2008 2:00:09 PM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (And close the damned borders!)
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To: JFC
Colorado hippies

Probably looks something like this:

45 posted on 02/04/2008 2:14:19 PM PST by cowboyway ("No damn man kills me and lives." -- Nathan Bedford Forrest)
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To: truthkeeper

I think our policy in Iraq is great. Who the Hell does this Steve guy think he is?


46 posted on 02/04/2008 2:39:19 PM PST by popdonnelly (Get Reid. Salazar, and Harkin out of the Senate.)
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To: truthkeeper

A hippie around Cheney is a lot safer than a woman around Bill Clinton.


47 posted on 02/04/2008 2:40:59 PM PST by popdonnelly (Get Reid. Salazar, and Harkin out of the Senate.)
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