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Will Huckabee's campaign encourage evangelicals to vote for a Democrat? (MUST READ)
The Christian Science Monitor ^ | February 4, 2008 | Brett Grainger

Posted on 02/04/2008 9:06:16 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

By far, the most significant story of the 2008 Republican primaries has been the unlikely candidacy of Mike Huckabee and his_single-handed_resuscitation of Christian conservatives as a force to be reckoned with in the Republican_Party. Yet, regardless of how he fares on Super_Tuesday_and_beyond, Mr. Huckabee will perhaps be best remembered as the man who, however unintentionally, helped persuade evangelicals to vote a Democrat into the White House in 2008 – and possibly in future races, as well.

Since the 1970s, conventional_wisdom has held that evangelicals are driven by a single-minded_concern with defending "moral values," while mainline Protestants focus on issues of social and economic justice. Huckabee has helped crack that old chestnut – and suddenly, the GOP is having a harder time standing for "God's Own Party."

While an orthodox Republican on "gays, guns, and God," Huckabee made his mark by presenting himself as a different type of Christian conservative. His campaign website devotes as much space to arguing for the need to increase funding for the arts, protect the environment, fight poverty, and reform healthcare as it does to the fight against abortion and gay marriage. And though he was forced to toughen his stand on immigration_and government spending, his record as governor of Arkansas, where he raised taxes and granted in-state tuition rates to the children of illegal immigrants, speaks for itself.

For such temerity, Huckabee has been slammed by his GOP colleagues as "liberal." Rush Limbaugh accused him of engaging in "class_warfare"; The Wall Street Journal said it's fair to call him a tribune of the "religious left." But in breaking from the conservative mold, Huckabee is following tracks laid by the National Association of Evangelicals, which last year incited a civil war among evangelical leaders by broadening its political agenda to include issues such as climate change.

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Can we afford more of President Bush's "compassionate conservatism" writ large.
1 posted on 02/04/2008 9:06:17 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: RangerM
While an orthodox Republican on "gays, guns, and God," Huckabee made his mark by presenting himself as a different type of Christian conservative. His campaign website devotes as much space to arguing for the need to increase funding for the arts, protect the environment, fight poverty, and reform healthcare as it does to the fight against abortion and gay marriage. And though he was forced to toughen his stand on immigration_and government spending, his record as governor of Arkansas, where he raised taxes and granted in-state tuition rates to the children of illegal immigrants, speaks for itself.

And you call Romney a flip flopper?

2 posted on 02/04/2008 9:09:00 PM PST by MNJohnnie (McCain is about as tough on Foreign Policy as the next opinion poll)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I wonder how many thinking Baptists cringe every time that foul mouthed, uncouth, petty, arrogant little man opens his mouth?
3 posted on 02/04/2008 9:10:01 PM PST by elizabetty (John McCain Hates Michael Reagan...........John McCain Hates Me, too. The feeling is mutual.)
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To: elizabetty

Their number is legion, I’m sure.


4 posted on 02/04/2008 9:10:47 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Second To None!)
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To: KateUTWS; JRochelle; ari-freedom; Leisler; Philly Nomad
While an orthodox Republican on "gays, guns, and God," Huckabee made his mark by presenting himself as a different type of Christian conservative. His campaign website devotes as much space to arguing for the need to increase funding for the arts, protect the environment, fight poverty, and reform healthcare as it does to the fight against abortion and gay marriage. And though he was forced to toughen his stand on immigration_and government spending, his record as governor of Arkansas, where he raised taxes and granted in-state tuition rates to the children of illegal immigrants, speaks for itself.

And you people are worried Romney will betray you?

5 posted on 02/04/2008 9:11:32 PM PST by MNJohnnie (McCain is about as tough on Foreign Policy as the next opinion poll)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
No, this isn’t quit true. If a Democrat wins then the Republican fiscal elites and the RNC can take a bow. We were told basically to shut up and vote for who we were told (Rudy) or run our own candidate. Shrug. You would have thought 2006 would have opened some eyes.
6 posted on 02/04/2008 9:12:01 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: MNJohnnie
Yup.

Whenever Mitt Romney has run for office, his public positions on the issues of the day have been in general agreement with the voter base whose approval he was seeking. In Massachusetts he was pro-choice, then pro-life, then pro-choice, then pro-life again. He was even more pro-gay rights than Ted Kennedy, for strict gun-control laws, for affirmative action, against the Boy Scouts’ policy on homosexual scoutmasters, for what he now calls “amnesty” for illegal immigrants, and against the Bush tax cuts. How can he have changed his mind on all of those issues and others so soon after deciding to run for the Republican presidential nomination? Link

7 posted on 02/04/2008 9:12:11 PM PST by grandpa jones (Responding To The Epic Threat)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Huckabee made his mark by presenting himself as a different type of Christian conservative.

This 'different type' of conservative is commonly know as 'non-conservative.

8 posted on 02/04/2008 9:13:12 PM PST by Hoodat (The whole point of the Conservative Movement is to gain converts, not demonize them.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Huckabee is irrelevant, he just doesn't realize it.

It has been interesting to watch his increasingly bizarre and nasty attacks on Mitt and the conservatives who are supporting him. The last two days would raise a serious question about Huckabee's mental stability - especially his attack on Sean Hannity, in which every single factual allegation he made was false.

9 posted on 02/04/2008 9:14:11 PM PST by coramdeo
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To: elizabetty

Have you listened to him speak? I have and there was no reason to cringe. However some of the posts here attacking him are foul mouthed, uncouth, petty and what else...oh yeah arrogant and I have cringed.


10 posted on 02/04/2008 9:15:39 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: MNJohnnie
"And you people are worried Romney will betray you?"

No, I'm dead certain comfortable that Mitt will betray. It's not even a issue.

11 posted on 02/04/2008 9:16:02 PM PST by Leisler
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The author is nuts. Evangelicals are not going to run into the arms of the abortionists party. Not now, not ever.


12 posted on 02/04/2008 9:17:45 PM PST by Ron in Acreage (Romney/Watts 2008)
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To: grandpa jones
Vote for Huckabee or Paul and this is who your candidate will be. Mr "raise the national gas tax $ .50 so we can fight the myth global warming and massively damage our economy while the rest of the world laughs at our economic stupidity and gullibility" McCain. Maybe you all will get lucky and McCain will pick Huckabee for his VP and you can get the tax hike AND Huckabee's Big Nanny State Nation Wide Smoking ban!;

Boy won't that be a great team. Next International Crises McCain will form a commission headed by Huckabee who will apologies for the USA existing then organize our surrender!

Pretty high price to pay simply because some of you are hysterically afraid of a Mormon. Well better a Mormon then a moron in the White House. Right now those are our only two choices.

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13 posted on 02/04/2008 9:19:33 PM PST by MNJohnnie (McCain is about as tough on Foreign Policy as the next opinion poll)
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To: CindyDawg
Have you listened to him speak? I have and there was no reason to cringe.

Of course I have, have you?

You are not offended by a man who wants to be President of the United states saying things like, "where to put the poll" "Fred is constipated," "political puberty" etc?

If not, why not?
14 posted on 02/04/2008 9:23:22 PM PST by elizabetty (John McCain Hates Michael Reagan...........John McCain Hates Me, too. The feeling is mutual.)
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To: MNJohnnie

I need another drink.


15 posted on 02/04/2008 9:23:28 PM PST by mnehring (Glenfiddich/Macallan 08)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Sometimes, left wing Big Government is very accomodating to social conservatives who want to use the power of government to advance an agenda. That's what the left is for.

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16 posted on 02/04/2008 9:24:24 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Christian Science Monitor ???

Scientology ???

You listening to Tom Cruise now ???


17 posted on 02/04/2008 9:27:45 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: CindyDawg
"Have you listened to him speak? I have and there was no reason to cringe."

I cringed.

I heard the after-debate interview in which he said he thought it a good possibility that the WMD of Iraq are being secretly held by the (generally pro-American) King of Jordan. Very wierd. Very ignorant.

18 posted on 02/04/2008 9:29:11 PM PST by cookcounty (Ja-pan Jack Murtha, The ex-Marine who thinks Okinawa is on his Middle East map.)
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To: elizabetty

I wonder how many thinking Baptists cringe every time that foul mouthed, uncouth, petty, arrogant little man opens his mouth?
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Probably about the same percentage of thinking mormons who cringe every time that foul mouthed, uncouth, petty, arrogant little man, RINO Romney, opens his mouth


19 posted on 02/04/2008 9:30:29 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: All
... moving to the Democrats?...

... No, but we - Social-Conservatives of all kinds, religious and non-religious - should consider a separate block, if not a third party, just like Blacks do...

The DemoCrapas made a choice to be the party of evil and inmoratlity, so that is not an option. On the Republican side, many of our 'fiscal/Economic' conservatives have a viceral anthypaty of anything that has to do with religion or social values, as we have seen with all their venun toward Huck... So why not just serparate?... Many countries have many parties... and I can see why. What is the point of kidding ourselves we all belong together?


20 posted on 02/04/2008 9:31:02 PM PST by ElPatriota (Duncan Hunter 08 -- I am proud to support this man for my president and may be Huck :))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wow. If conservatives and Evangelicals both desert the party, what is John going to do?


21 posted on 02/04/2008 9:31:54 PM PST by Hattie
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To: CindyDawg

# 19


22 posted on 02/04/2008 9:31:56 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
"The Christian Science Monitor ???
Scientology ???
You listening to Tom Cruise now ???

Christain Science and Scientology ARE NOT the same thing in any way, shape or form! Google both words and see for yourself.

23 posted on 02/04/2008 9:33:48 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Second To None!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is Christian Science, Evangalical ???


24 posted on 02/04/2008 9:35:28 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Paging Bob Dole - email needed.


25 posted on 02/04/2008 9:38:36 PM PST by Hattie
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To: MNJohnnie

Guys it won’t work. Remember how in 2006 we were threatened that if we didn’t vote as we were told it would be a vote for Hillary. We’ve been vaccinated. Threats don’t work any more. We will vote our conscious and watch the chips fall where they may.


26 posted on 02/04/2008 9:38:52 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s Romney’s campaign that threatens to have me voting democrat. If he get’s the nomination, I will definitely vote democrat against him.


27 posted on 02/04/2008 9:39:02 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Since the 1970s, conventional_wisdom has held that evangelicals are driven by a single-minded_concern with defending "moral values," while mainline Protestants focus on issues of social and economic justice."

I am unaware of any such "conventional wisdom". In fact, I think the author just made this up. He's just very liberal and thus likes to think of himself as a "mainline Protestant."

28 posted on 02/04/2008 9:39:43 PM PST by joebuck
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To: CindyDawg

I did listen to him. He grosses me out. He is petty, vindictive, a hypocrite, a bigot, unscrupulous, a panderer, classless, class warfare mongering, and to quote Andrew Levy, “if he had been born a hundred years ago would have been the best snake oil salesman the world has ever seen”.
Nothing personal intended to you, but you asked.


29 posted on 02/04/2008 9:40:10 PM PST by libbylu (Mitten I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR MCCAIN OR HUCK..THEY CALLED ME RACIST/BIGOT)
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To: CindyDawg; jan in Colorado
You would have thought 2006 would have opened some eyes.

Well, maybe the combination of 2006 and 2008 will open some eyes to realize that they are just fine with a Democrat in there. They disagree over which spending gets the highest priority, but either way, they are spending your money and mine.

If you were caught by a couple of ogres who argued over whether to boil you or roast you on a spit, it doesn't matter which one wins or loses--you lose. Same here, as long as we play their game.

And then you throw in the Social(ist) Conservatives, and it's like the little goblin jumping around nearby begging for your scraps. (Of course, they are totally oblivious to the fact that the ogres are just taunting them, too.)

30 posted on 02/04/2008 9:40:25 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The CSM has shifted farther and farther left over the years even my neighbor stopped getting this left wing rag after it trashed the RNC on Iraqi.
So add this rag to the long list of poorly disguised DNC newsletters.
31 posted on 02/04/2008 9:44:06 PM PST by ncalburt
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

More of the same in Mitt...No thanks.


32 posted on 02/04/2008 9:46:07 PM PST by hope
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To: libbylu

LOL. I can take it that he won’t get your vote? Why do you hate him so much?


33 posted on 02/04/2008 9:48:45 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: elizabetty; CindyDawg
You are not offended by a man who wants to be President of the United states saying things like, "where to put the poll" "Fred is constipated," "political puberty" etc? If not, why not?

Wow she never answered. I wonder why?

Regards

34 posted on 02/04/2008 9:52:14 PM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“By far, the most significant story of the 2008 Republican primaries has been the unlikely candidacy of Mike Huckabee and his_single-handed_resuscitation of Christian conservatives as a force to be reckoned with in the Republican_Party.”

Did I miss something? President Bush has been a consistent social conservative his entire time in office. It’s other issues, like immigration and government spending that have upset so many Republicans.

35 posted on 02/04/2008 9:52:58 PM PST by Moral Hazard (Vote Huckabe. He'd make a lousy president, but we might get a brokered convention.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

The Church of Christ, Scientist
http://www.tfccs.com/index.jhtml;jsessionid=5QECI5BROHDOLKGL4L2SFEQ


36 posted on 02/04/2008 9:55:38 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Second To None!)
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To: ElPatriota
“So why not just serparate?... Many countries have many parties... and I can see why. “

Because you would never win. The countries with “many parties” have a system of proportional representation. Countries with single-member districts (like the US) tend to have 2 dominant parties for a reason.

37 posted on 02/04/2008 9:56:11 PM PST by Moral Hazard (Vote Huckabe. He'd make a lousy president, but we might get a brokered convention.)
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To: Politicalmom; jellybean; Josh Painter; ejonesie22; papasmurf; Bobbisox; DesScorp; thefactor; ...

Ping!


38 posted on 02/04/2008 9:57:21 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Second To None!)
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To: MNJohnnie
You don't get it.

When "YOUR" guy changes his positions (name me one politician who hasn't), he's a flip-flopper.

When "MY" guy does it, he's "grown" or "is responsive to the will of the people".

Simple, huh? :D

39 posted on 02/04/2008 9:57:31 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Six SCOTUS justices will be 70 or older in January of next year.)
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To: MNJohnnie
Romney is a mormon!
40 posted on 02/04/2008 10:00:07 PM PST by ajay_kumar (United we win, divided democrats win. How difficult is that to understand?)
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To: grandpa jones

Is’nt that waht our elected representatives are supposed to do? Represent the majority who put them in office?


41 posted on 02/04/2008 10:01:44 PM PST by ajay_kumar (United we win, divided democrats win. How difficult is that to understand?)
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To: elizabetty
Yep, the cringe happens...But, the alternative is so phony...At least we know what to expect in JM...He doesn't hide it..With MR, it's hard to know what is real and what is fabricated.

He does have better hair though...

42 posted on 02/04/2008 10:01:48 PM PST by hope
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To: ElPatriota

So, you want republicans fragmented, whereas the demorats keep all factions under the big tent and become the permanent majority like they were for 40 years?

Brilliant suggestion!


43 posted on 02/04/2008 10:06:09 PM PST by ajay_kumar (United we win, divided democrats win. How difficult is that to understand?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Here’s who Huckabee is involved with:

NY Times
Friday 11 March 2005

“.. Mr. Cizik said he had a “conversion” on climate change so profound in Oxford that he likened it to an “altar call,” when nonbelievers accept Jesus as their savior. Mr. Cizik recently bought a Toyota Prius, a hybrid vehicle. “ http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/37/9554

Oct. 2006

“..Cizik dates his “conversion” to 2002, when evangelical left activist Jim Ball of the “What Would Jesus Drive” anti-SUV campaign “dragged” him to Oxford, England, for a global warming summit featuring scientist and Christian thinker John Houghton. “I had, as John Wesley would say, a ‘warming of my heart,’ Cizik recalls. “A conversion to a cause which I believe every Christian should be committed to.”

After his Oxford conversion, Cizik returned home, sold his gas guzzler, bought a Prius, and renewed his interest in recycling. He notes that evangelicals comprise 40-50 percent of the “Republican base” and Republican politicians, who “have stymied action on climate change, will “have to listen” if evangelicals become as passionate as Cizik is about climate change.

Promoters of The Great Warming are hoping that other evangelicals will have dramatic conversions to the global warming cause.like Cizik. No doubt, many of these new enthusiasts for the planet are full of passionate sincerity. But some seem to see acceptance of disastrous scenarios of global warming, fueled exclusively by human activity, as almost an article of faith, transcending need for logical argument. For them, it has become intrinsically a struggle between noble friends of the earth and wicked allies of the fossil fuels industry. They have adopted climate activism as a new crusade.

Evangelicals are more famous, or notorious, for preaching about the impending End Times. At least that old kind of preaching pointed listeners towards repentance...and God. This new mode of climate revivalism points evangelicals towards a very differently kind of imagined apocalypse, in which the solution is not divine intervention but increased government regulation, reduced standards of living, diminished national sovereignty, and enhanced powers for international bureaucracies. That Old Time Religion now looks more appealing, because it involves God.

Frontpagemag.com. http://vacoalblog.blogspot.com/2006/10/boo-just-in-time-for-halloween-folks.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1964460/posts?page=13#13

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Here’s the guy who herded the gullible “religious leaders” together to hear him preach his “sermon” which got the latest round of “crisis mongering” started:

The “Reverend” Sir John Houghton, former head of the UK Meteorological Office, Publisher of Al Gore’s book on GW and Former Co-Chair of the IPCC:

“Unless we announce disasters, no one will listen”

Some call that, “Lying for Jesus”. I would agree.

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Public radio interview with the Reverend Richard Cizik [a trained political scientist and vice president in Washington for the National Association of Evangelicals]

Key excerpt:

Ms. Tippett: You have become quite a spokesman for Evangelical Christian concern about the environment. And, you know, I wonder if that’s something that surprises you. Is that something that’s on your agenda, that’s on the Evangelical Christian agenda that you would not have imagined there 25 years ago or even…

Rev. Cizik: I would have never imagined it. I just would have to say I had a conversion.

Ms. Tippett: Well, tell me about that.

Rev. Cizik: Not just to Christ, you see, many, many years ago. But in 2002, I had a conversion to the science of climate change. ....

Ms. Tippett: Well, tell me about your conversion experience in 2002. ...

Rev. Cizik: First of all, I met great men of science who, like Sir John Houghton, knighted by the queen, the head of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, who came forward and said to me, “You can believe in the science and be a faithful biblical Christian, and I am,’ he said. And so in a humble way, not arrogantly, admitting the questions that still exist, John Houghton and many others, for three days, walked some of us that were there in Oxford, England, through all the science, through our biblical teaching and responsibility, and all I can say is, in a John Wesley kind of fashion, my heart was warmed. My heart, you know, was changed...”
http://speakingoffaith.publicradio.org/programs/evangelicalevolution/transcript.shtml

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“This is going to be an issue which evangelicals are going to look at when they cast their ballots,” Cizik said. ..” But only Republican former Gov. Mike Huckabee of Arkansas ­ otherwise considered among the more conservative candidates in the race ­ has explicitly aligned himself with the creation care movement. ..” [The Reverend Richard Cizik ] Much more: “God is Green”
11/06/2007 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21656644/

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From Gribbit: “The conclusions of the IPCC Summary Report were determined before the study even began. The idea was to make it the “Final Word” on global climate change. The reason for making it the “Final Word” was that by using that terminology, they had hoped that the public would take their bait hook, line, and sinker and they could get the political changes that they want. Yes I said political changes.” See more Gribbit Tidbits
http://www.gribbitonline.com/2007/02/15/why-you-shouldnt-believe-the-global-warming-scare/

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“The evolution of the scientific debate about anthropogenic climate change illustrates both the value of skepticism and the pitfalls of partisanship.”.. Scientists ... reputation for impartiality is severely compromised by the shocking lack of political diversity among American academics, who suffer from the kind of group-think that develops in cloistered cultures. Until this profound and well documented intellectual homogeneity changes, scientists will be suspected of constituting a leftistthink-tank.” “On the left, an argument emerged urging fellow scientists to deliberately exaggerate their findings so as to galvanize an apathetic public...” ~ Kerry Emmanuel - MIT

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“No matter if the science is all phony, there are collateral environmental benefits…climate change provides the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world” Christine Stewart, former Canadian Environment Minister bttt
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1964460/posts?page=5#5


44 posted on 02/04/2008 10:06:31 PM PST by Matchett-PI (Romney will get the nomination if I have anything to do with it.)
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To: Darkwolf377
Don’t you know making sense like you just did is now immoral, irregular, illegitimate and soon to be illegal?

We aren’t suppose to actually think about any thing! No now we Conservatives are simply suppose to emote our love for this our that candidate and scream hate at every other candidate! So you stop that thinking right now!

45 posted on 02/04/2008 10:06:36 PM PST by MNJohnnie (McCain is about as tough on Foreign Policy as the next opinion poll)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Can we afford more of President Bush's "compassionate conservatism" writ large.

That's quite an article coming from the Liberal CSM!

I particularly liked "And though he was forced to toughen his stand on immigration_and government spending, his record as governor of Arkansas, where he raised taxes and granted in-state tuition rates to the children of illegal immigrants, speaks for itself."

For such temerity, Huckabee has been slammed by his GOP colleagues as "liberal.""


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In selecting men for office, let principle be your guide. Regard not the particular sect or denomination of the candidate--look to his character. . . . When a citizen gives his suffrage to a man of known immorality he abuses his trust; he sacrifices not only his own interest, but that of his neighbor, he betrays the interest of his country.

[Noah Webster, Letters to a Young Gentleman Commencing His Education to which is subjoined a Brief History of the United States (New Haven: S. Converse, 1823), pp. 18, 19.]

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(Prophetic) When you become entitled to exercise the right of voting for public officers, let it be impressed on your mind that God commands you to choose for rulers, "just men who will rule in the fear of God." The preservation of government depends on the faithful discharge of this duty; if the citizens neglect their duty and place unprincipled men in office, the government will soon be corrupted; laws will be made, not for the public good so much as for selfish or local purposes; corrupt or incompetent men will be appointed to execute the laws; the public revenues will be sqandered on unworthy men; and the rights of the citizens will be violated or disregarded. If a republican government fails to secure public prosperity and happiness, it must be because the citizens neglect the divine commands, and elect bad men to make and administer the laws.

[Noah Webster, History of the United States (New Haven: Durrie & Peck, 1832), pp. 336-337, 49.]
46 posted on 02/04/2008 10:06:58 PM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: ARE SOLE
You really want to know? lol. I’ve been spending way too much time on the computer and I have things that need doing. I put my computer on the dining room counter. I have to stand to freep....so I won’t be sitting here vegging but will be checking in and out. ...trying to boost my metabolism sigh...I’ve cut my calories in half and still not losing. My husband...thinks if I get off my well if I get up and move around better I’ll start losing...Anyway..what was your question? Let me look. Am I offended? Nah. Probably nothing none of us hasn’t said or thought before. Should MH be saying things like that? Nope...it just gives his enemies ammo .
47 posted on 02/04/2008 10:07:11 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Moral Hazard
...Because you would never win. The countries with “many parties” have a system of proportional representation. Countries with single-member districts (like the US) tend to have 2 dominant parties for a reason....

Ok, how about an FR-SC? (FR for social conservatives only) LOL

Third pary, block, is not important to me - the exact distiction - is the idea of a group large enough - no diluted - Blacks are teh best example I can think of - can exert more pressure on political matters affecting them.

I could see a huge group, of all religions - even 'Catholics' (kidding:)... joining together with non-religious people, who care for our values/principles. I happen to like LOU DOBBS from cnn... is that bad? LOL

Who are Social-Conservatives? 'Conservatives' who care about money yes!... and other conservative principles in different degress but, who ALSO HAPPEN TO CARE about our culture and values. In other words, it's more than just MONEY!

48 posted on 02/04/2008 10:08:15 PM PST by ElPatriota (Duncan Hunter 08 -- I am proud to support this man for my president and may be Huck :))
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To: Ron in Acreage
"The author is nuts. Evangelicals are not going to run into the arms of the abortionists party. Not now, not ever."

Research by Barna and the Nehemiah Institute indicate that only 10% of those who call themselves Christians have a Biblical worldview. Only 51% of Pastors have a Biblical worldview.

We in the Evangelical community have to admit that we have allowed the 'world' with all its lusts and desires to creep in to the church, the home, our marriages (and thus our divorces), our child-rearing (we have no problem letting those of the world - and mandated by currently wrong interpreted law to be anti-Christian - to disciple our kids), our eyes and hands, and even how to interpret the Word of God and how much authority it has.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see many so-called 'Evangelicals' vote for the abortionists, since many believe in moral relativism.

Less than 10% of Americans who call themselves Christian possesses a Biblical worldview.

More than 90% of Americans who call themselves Christian do not possess a Biblical worldview.

2/3 of Born Again Christians assert that there are no absolute moral truths.

4 out of 10 say they are “absolutely committed to the faith”.

44% of churched youths agree with this statement: “Humans are capable of grasping the meaning of truth”.

85% of churched youth agree with this statement: “What is right for a person in a certain situation may not be right for another person in the same situation”. (Relativism and situational ethics)

62% of churched youth agree that: “Nothing can be known for certain except that which is experienced in your life”.

Click Here To Learn More About Biblical Worldview and Test Yourself

49 posted on 02/04/2008 10:08:57 PM PST by uptoolate (I don't fear the election - my God is there already - and bigger than them all.)
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To: CindyDawg

Well at least you answered and I can respect that.

Regards


50 posted on 02/04/2008 10:09:39 PM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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