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Obama and Romney misfire on guns (Romney flip-flops, repeats NRA support lie)
ABC NEWS ^ | February 4, 2008 | Jake Tapper, Senior National Correspondent

Posted on 02/05/2008 12:00:01 PM PST by AFA-Michigan

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Saturday, Romney repeated his false claim of campaign support by the NRA, even after his staff was forced to admit Romney's claim was false when he first made it in December...

The Glenn and Helen Show, Saturday, Feb. 2, 2008

Romney: "I was pleased that as I ran for Governor, I received the support of the NRA and I hope to receive their support now."

Audio:

http://politicscentral.com/2008/02/02/the_glenn_and_helen_show_mitt_1.php

1 posted on 02/05/2008 12:00:06 PM PST by AFA-Michigan
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To: AFA-Michigan

And we all know how pro-Second Amendment the McChurian Candidate is! *rolling eyes*


2 posted on 02/05/2008 12:01:12 PM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: AFA-Michigan

Washington Post
December 16, 2007

Romney Claims NRA Endorsement He Didn’t Receive

Maybe it was the pressure of the moment. Being under the Tim Russert spotlight can get to anyone. Under Russert’s grilling about guns on this morning’s “Meet the Press,” former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney claimed an endorsement he’d never won.

...”I also was pleased to have the support of the NRA when I ran for governor. I sought it, I seek it now. I’d love to have their support.”

...”I told you what my position was, and what I, what I did as governor; the fact that I received the endorsement of the NRA.”

The problem?

He was never endorsed by the NRA, and didn’t have their official support during his 2002 gubernatorial campaign. The NRA declined to endorse in that race, as was acknowledged by Romney’s spokesman this morning.

“The NRA did not endorse in the 2002 campaign,” said spokesman Kevin Madden, when asked about Romney’s comments.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/12/16/romney_claims_nra_endorsement.html


3 posted on 02/05/2008 12:01:12 PM PST by AFA-Michigan
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To: AFA-Michigan

“Said Mr. Reynolds: ‘I’m beginning to question his sincerity.’”

Ya think?!

(Mr. Reynolds is a slow learner.)


4 posted on 02/05/2008 12:02:05 PM PST by AFA-Michigan
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To: AFA-Michigan

What is Romney’s CURRENT NRA rating?


5 posted on 02/05/2008 12:02:34 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: AFA-Michigan

He can’t help it, he is a Creep.


6 posted on 02/05/2008 12:02:40 PM PST by Afronaut (RIght now Ron Paul has my vote. He has become the only choice.)
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To: AFA-Michigan
“I like mandates” was untruthful? Shocking.

Least Arizona doesn’t have any bans on ugly guns.

7 posted on 02/05/2008 12:04:06 PM PST by kingu (We failed to quash Huck McRomney and gosh, that's exactly who's left.)
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To: AFA-Michigan
I was pleased that when I ran for Governor, I received the endorsement of the NRA and I hope to receive their support now.

ABC MISQUOTE.

8 posted on 02/05/2008 12:06:18 PM PST by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: AFA-Michigan
Notice that in Romney's case, they call it a flip-flop, but in Obama's case they say"

...it should be pointed out that this appears to be yet another example of Obama not being able to get good help.

9 posted on 02/05/2008 12:07:03 PM PST by Buffalo Bob
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To: AFA-Michigan

Why does the article misquote Romney and say he said “endorse”, when your quote says “the support”?


10 posted on 02/05/2008 12:19:21 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: AFA-Michigan

Romney has lied and flip flopped so often that I don’t trust him in the slightest. I believe he’ll sign any gun control measure that comes across his desk and sell out gun owners. I cannot in good conscience vote for the man.


11 posted on 02/05/2008 12:23:35 PM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: AFA-Michigan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1964863/posts
12 posted on 02/05/2008 12:23:52 PM PST by ASA Vet
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To: Digital Sniper
And we all know how pro-Second Amendment the McChurian Candidate is! *rolling eyes*

Don't forget how much he loves the 1st Amendment as well.

15 posted on 02/05/2008 12:32:27 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Digital Sniper
And we all know how pro-Second Amendment the McChurian Candidate is! *rolling eyes*
16 posted on 02/05/2008 12:36:14 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Never say yer sorry, mister. It's a sign of weakness)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

You’ll have to ask ABC News. I actually listened to the tape.

Either way, Romney continues to intentionally deceive.

But wait. No doubt you can provide a lengthy discourse on the newly-revised meaning of the English words “endorse” and “support” according to the Romney Dictionary of the English Language (Abridged).


17 posted on 02/05/2008 12:37:27 PM PST by AFA-Michigan
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To: ravingnutter

Ravingnut: “...candidate smears...”

Grab a box of Kleenex, Raving.

Truth is not a smear. Except, of course, for those who laughingly whine that posting links to audio or videotapes of Romney’s own words coming out of Romney’s own mouth constitutes “distortion,” or in this case, a “smear.”


18 posted on 02/05/2008 12:42:37 PM PST by AFA-Michigan
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To: Parley Baer

Baer: “He and some other Freepers are doing the work of the MSM/dimocRAT party.”

As with the Romney campaign itself and other Rom-boughts, the first indication of inability to cover up Romney’s left-wing record is the resort to personally attacking any conservative who dares mention Romney’s left-wing record.


19 posted on 02/05/2008 12:44:26 PM PST by AFA-Michigan
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To: AFA-Michigan

Or in this case, Romney’s ongoing pattern of making statements that are immediately demonstrated to be false.

As in, for a full collection:

http://sunlituplands.blogspot.com/2007/12/myths-of-mitt-romney.html

Saturday’s is just the latest addition.


20 posted on 02/05/2008 12:46:03 PM PST by AFA-Michigan
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To: AFA-Michigan

This is the same lie that was posted here twice yesterday.


21 posted on 02/05/2008 12:47:52 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: org.whodat

It’s a good thing that Romney’s lies are being posted multiple times.


22 posted on 02/05/2008 12:48:40 PM PST by AFA-Michigan
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To: AFA-Michigan

WTF is wrong with you?


23 posted on 02/05/2008 12:49:12 PM PST by Scarchin (Romney/Thompson 2008)
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To: AFA-Michigan
In the last few hours, Romney contradicted that in a podcast interview with Glenn Reynolds and Helen Smith of Instapundit fame.

This whole sentence is an out right lie. And you repeating it shows how low the McCain people will stoop.

24 posted on 02/05/2008 12:51:42 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: org.whodat

Org, I understand it’s difficult to defend Romney’s left-wing record, followed by his serial flip-flopping on multiple issues, and his pattern of making statements which require his staff to go around after him admitting to the news media that what he just said was false.

But try to retain just a touch of dignity, will you? Please demonstrate at least some minimal ability to discuss the substantive content of the posts without immediately (1) attacking anybody who dares post something critical of Flip or (2) running for the McCain/black helicopter conspiracy theories.


25 posted on 02/05/2008 12:58:45 PM PST by AFA-Michigan
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To: AFA-Michigan

John McCain has already abridged one of our Constitutional rights. Who’s to say the 2nd Amendment in’t next on his list?


26 posted on 02/05/2008 1:01:19 PM PST by Tex Pete
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To: AFA-Michigan
It’s a good thing that Romney’s lies are being posted multiple times.

Only person lying was Jack Tapper over at ABC. The quote is wrong. He changed Romney's words. "Support" doesn't even sound like "endorsed" and yes they do have different meanings, thus why Tapper had to change the word from "support" to "endorse" in order to fly that Romney lied.

27 posted on 02/05/2008 1:02:24 PM PST by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: Scarchin

“WTF is wrong with you?”

Nothing at all. It’s just that after spending 30 years as both a fiscal and social conservative activist, I refuse to legitimize and reward a politician who spent his entire political career promoting abortion on demand, the homosexual agenda, gun control, and other liberal causes.

Who was so offended by President Reagan that he claims to have registered as an independent during the Reagan-Bush Administration. Who voted in the 1992 DEMOCRAT presidential primary.

Which begs the question, if you actually support this liberal, “What’s wrong with you?”


28 posted on 02/05/2008 1:03:00 PM PST by AFA-Michigan
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To: AFA-Michigan
Silly me I thought you could read. The first question was about the original bill renewal that Jorge said he would support. The second question was about a bill that does not exist except in the questioners and your mind. Now read real slow they were two distinct separate questions.
29 posted on 02/05/2008 1:04:23 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Oztrich Boy

McCain’s site also says he’s in favor of tax cuts and against CFR. Who you gonna believe: that one biased website, or YEARS of McCain’s obvious anti-conservative treachery?


30 posted on 02/05/2008 1:05:40 PM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: Domandred

“Jack Tapper over at ABC...changed Romney’s words.”

Which I truthfully posted after actually listening to the audiotape.

But which, try as you may, doesn’t relieve Romney of accountability for having stated yet another falsehood, whichever word he used.

He wasn’t “endorsed” OR “supported” by the NRA when running for governor.


31 posted on 02/05/2008 1:06:10 PM PST by AFA-Michigan
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To: AFA-Michigan
It was pointed out several times to you that he was misquoted, so yes it is a smear. One post even has the audio (#18).

And since you want to be a smarta**...you are going to be grabbing more than a kleenex...consider yourself reported. Have fun!

32 posted on 02/05/2008 1:07:58 PM PST by ravingnutter
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To: org.whodat

Actually, ORG, another flip-flop by Romney is a yawner.

My focus was on his yet again falsely claiming to have been “supported” by the NRA when running for governor.

A subject I understand you would prefer to avoid, given the obvious pattern...

http://sunlituplands.blogspot.com/2007/12/myths-of-mitt-romney.html


33 posted on 02/05/2008 1:09:00 PM PST by AFA-Michigan
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To: AFA-Michigan

This just proves why we don’t want Mitt Romney for President. He’s viewed unfavorably by most Americans and this is just one of the reasons why.


34 posted on 02/05/2008 1:10:45 PM PST by No Dems 2004
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Raving: “It was pointed out several times to you that he was misquoted, so yes it is a smear. One post even has the audio (#18).”

Raving, you’re embarrassing yourself. Why, you’re right. One post even has the audio. Let me help you out. Scroll right back up there to post #1, where a link to the audio was posted. Then cast your eyes down just a touch and read who it was that posted the audio.

Along with the actual accurate quote by Romney. Once you’ve checked, please be man enough to respond to this post by reporting who it was who first posted the audio.

I’ll be waiting.

“And since you want to be a smarta**...consider yourself reported.”

And no doubt you think you’re first in that line. Actually, it forms at the rear.


35 posted on 02/05/2008 1:14:41 PM PST by AFA-Michigan
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To: No Dems 2004

“This just proves why we don’t want Mitt Romney for President. He’s viewed unfavorably by most Americans...”

Indeed.

According to Rasmussen, 47 percent of all Americans say they would NEVER vote for Romney under any circumstance, no matter who else is on the ballot.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/favorables/election_2008_republican_candidates_running_in_2008_presidential_election


36 posted on 02/05/2008 1:17:30 PM PST by AFA-Michigan
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To: AFA-Michigan

“personally attacking any conservative”

I didn’t see any personal attack. Are all you Mitt-bashers so sensitive? You remind me of McCain.


37 posted on 02/05/2008 1:22:36 PM PST by death2tyrants
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To: AFA-Michigan

“I understand it’s difficult to defend Romney’s left-wing record”

A good point. With Mitt leading the opposition to Bush’s tax cuts, his role in spearheading unconstitutional legislation like CFR, the gang of 14, and all of his other acts of slapping conservatives in the face. Oh wait, that was McCain.


38 posted on 02/05/2008 1:26:41 PM PST by death2tyrants
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To: AFA-Michigan

The header of the article is about guns and the statement about guns is a lie. What you wish to add is up to you the other statement is old news and is thrown to try to cover up the dishonesty of the first post. The whole think about assault weapons is nothing but a low blow lie by the McCain supporters.


39 posted on 02/05/2008 1:30:33 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: AFA-Michigan

Thanks for posting this. Everyone who’s honest knows that Flip is a liar, but I thought he would be a little more careful about lying about the NRA supporting him again. Perhaps it’s some kind of a disease he has, you know, like maybe he can’t help himself. Or, as JR often says, “Not his fault. The liberals made him do it. ®” ;^)


40 posted on 02/05/2008 1:35:37 PM PST by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense? Don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: death2tyrants

“I didn’t see any personal attack.”

Let me help you out.

“...an out right lie. And you repeating it shows how low the McCain people will stoop.”

Both a personal attack, and a false McCain conspiracy theory.


42 posted on 02/05/2008 1:43:27 PM PST by AFA-Michigan
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To: death2tyrants

Actually, death, I was referring to Romney’s record of endorsing Roe, abortion on demand, gays in the military, Kennedy’s federal “gay rights” legislation, homosexual Scoutmasters, gun control, opposing a Marriage Protection Amendment to his state constitution, voting in the 1992 Democratic presidential primary, dissing Ronald Reagan and Jesse Helms, being endorsed by the homosexual Log Cabin Republicans and the Majority for Choice PAC, etc., etc., etc.

That left-wing record.


43 posted on 02/05/2008 1:45:48 PM PST by AFA-Michigan
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To: AFA-Michigan

None of which raised my taxes. Why did McCain oppose Bush’s tax cuts? Also, why does McCain believe that the terrorists at Gitmo should have access to the U.S. courts?


46 posted on 02/05/2008 2:18:52 PM PST by death2tyrants
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To: death2tyrants

No clue. I don’t support McCain, who opposes a Marriage Protection Amendment, supports federal funding of embryonic stem cell research (the destruction of human life), and believes it should be criminal for citizen organizations to tell their supporters the truth about politicians’ records.

As the LA Times reported over a year ago, I was invited to meet McCain and refused so long as he opposes constitutionally protecting marriage.

All that said, I trust him more than I do Mitt Romney. I don’t believe much of anything Romney says, except of course that he’s the candidate of “change” (on abortion, some of the homosexual agenda, multiple other issues).


47 posted on 02/05/2008 2:28:33 PM PST by AFA-Michigan
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To: AFA-Michigan

As an NRA man I researched NRA’s archive history of McCain. He gave us McCain-Feingold law that cut off NRA free speech; he gave us McCain-Reed law that closed the gun show “loophole”; and...oh yes...he was..is?... a big supporter of the Federal Assault firearms ban.

These are facts guy...not misstatements.

With heroes like the Mac who needs enemies!


48 posted on 02/05/2008 2:29:38 PM PST by firefox ((Vote Democrat...Its Easier Than Thinking!))
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To: firefox

Romney also supports the federal Assault Weapons Ban and the Brady Bill.


49 posted on 02/05/2008 3:55:03 PM PST by AFA-Michigan
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