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The Oysters Come Home to Roast (Romney=Kerry)
National Review Online ^ | 2/6/2008 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 02/06/2008 7:16:47 AM PST by JohnnyZ

I woke up this morning to a ton of e-mail from aggrieved southerners, almost outnumbering the ton of spam for generic Viagra, which I've forwarded to the RNC. Anyway, southern voters resented my (and John O'Sullivan's) assertion that they hadn't voted for Mitt because he was a Mormon. Au contraire, they said they hadn't voted for Mitt because he's a north-eastern liberal. Whatever. I rather enjoyed this Georgia gal's take:

I was one of your "No Mormon, no way, no how" Southerners until someone at a dinner party asked me if I'd support Orrin Hatch for President. And you know what? I would. It's then I realized I just didn't like Romney because he's about as phony as baloney. And I am unnaturally annoyed at how he receives applause from his audiences: toothless smile, looking left tilting chin up, looking right tilting chin up; back and forth.

Oh and by dinner party I mean oyster roast.

Oh, dear. Mitt is beginning to feel like the conservative media's version of John Kerry, the guy the MSM thought they could drag across the finish line. Except we have a tougher problem, to which Lisa and Stanley referred. The default mode of the culture is liberal; the key levers of society are liberal. Bush-era strategists have largely ignored that reality in favor of get-out-the-vote and other organizational techniques. The defects of that approach seem increasingly apparent.


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Romney was the Republican John Kerry.

Effete flip-flopping French-speaking Massachusetts liberal, except this time pushed by the conservative media rather than the MSM.

The South was never going to vote for a liberal Yankee like that, and the accusations of anti-Mormon bigotry from the Romney folks make them sound just like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson on race, preaching hate and playing the victim card.

1 posted on 02/06/2008 7:16:50 AM PST by JohnnyZ
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To: JohnnyZ

Was there anti-Christian bigotry in the Utah primary?


2 posted on 02/06/2008 7:19:41 AM PST by Deut28 (Cursed be he who perverts the justice)
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To: JohnnyZ

I dunno. For me, the fact that the MSM hates Romney with a passion is the best endorsement I’ve seen for a candidate all year!


3 posted on 02/06/2008 7:20:37 AM PST by cvq3842
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To: cvq3842

Absolutely!


4 posted on 02/06/2008 7:23:36 AM PST by top 2 toe red (Politics are about compromise, not about getting everything you want.... Truthsearcher)
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To: JohnnyZ

I’m glad to see I’m in good company. The great Mark Steyn notes the Romney/Kerry comparision. Sad that so few others see what is so obvious.


5 posted on 02/06/2008 7:24:03 AM PST by manapua
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To: JohnnyZ
Yeah...and the liberal media's love affair with McCain is a sure sign that Juan McAmnesty is a "conservative."

McCain was against the Bush tax cuts, has consistently sided with the pro-abortionists, was behind McCain-Feingold, sought to give amnesty to tens of millions of illegal invaders, and has consistently sided with Democrats against gun owners, yet now he's touting himself as a pro-tax-cut, pro-life, pro-Second Amendment, pro-First Amendment "conservative."

...and you're focusing on Romney being a "flip-flopper"? Give me a break.

6 posted on 02/06/2008 7:24:54 AM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: JohnnyZ

I admit that being from the South it wasn’t the fact that Romney was a Mormon but the fact that he was from Mass. that gave me pause.


7 posted on 02/06/2008 7:25:03 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Benedict Arnold was against the Terrorist Surveillance Program)
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To: JohnnyZ

Now THIS is a hell of a lot more believable than that article trying to claim that Romney is the next Ronald Reagan.


8 posted on 02/06/2008 7:26:05 AM PST by SpringheelJack
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To: JohnnyZ
Mitt is beginning to feel like the conservative media's version of John Kerry.

I've felt this way since he entered the race.

Look, I know people can and do change positions in their life (thanks to Christ, I'm one of them), but Romney's change of heart was just too recent and too politically expedient to be fully trusted this soon in the game.

marinamuffy

9 posted on 02/06/2008 7:26:39 AM PST by marinamuffy ("..pacifism ensures that cruelty will prevail on earth." - Dennis Prager)
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To: cvq3842

I really like Mitt, but then I based my choice in 2006 based on ISSUES. If it is Mcpain/huck i will be campaigning for Hill with Ann.


10 posted on 02/06/2008 7:27:09 AM PST by libbylu (Mitten I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR MCCAIN OR HUCK..THEY CALLED ME RACIST/BIGOT)
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To: Digital Sniper

Apparently McCain was also against drilling in Anwar, he was for federal funding of embryonic stem cell research. I think McCain will be trying to take the party left.


11 posted on 02/06/2008 7:27:42 AM PST by psjones (u)
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To: JohnnyZ

By george, I think you got it. I have been wondering why I have resisted Romney’s appeal. Your post has rung a bell.


12 posted on 02/06/2008 7:28:30 AM PST by oldtimer2 (There’s been a lot of high-minded gasbaggery going on.)
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To: libbylu

I would never campaign for that witch, much less vote for her. She’ll be worse than bill.


13 posted on 02/06/2008 7:28:58 AM PST by psjones (u)
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To: JohnnyZ

“Romney was the Republican John Kerry”

...and Huckabee is Huey Long


14 posted on 02/06/2008 7:30:11 AM PST by rbmillerjr (Big Government Evangelicals.....leading conservatives to Landslide 2012)
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To: JohnnyZ

Romney-Feigold, Romney-Kennedy, Romney-Lieberman, Romney voted against the Bush tax cuts and Waterboarding...hey wait a minute, that wasn’t Romney...IT WAS McCAIN!!!! So who is the real RINO? Please buy a clue.....


15 posted on 02/06/2008 7:30:39 AM PST by major_gaff (Semper Fi, Marines! Ooo Rah!)
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To: psjones
I think McCain will be has always been trying to take the party left.

There. Fixed it.

16 posted on 02/06/2008 7:30:46 AM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: JohnnyZ
And I am unnaturally annoyed at how he receives applause from his audiences: toothless smile, looking left tilting chin up, looking right tilting chin up; back and forth.

A hundred years ago, when men were saying women shouldn't vote, one of their reasons was that women are irrational, and will vote for whomever they find most attractive. And voila, it is by and large true. I am embarrassed for my half of humanity.

17 posted on 02/06/2008 7:30:48 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: JohnnyZ
The South was never going to vote for a liberal Yankee like that,

So they put a Southwestern liberal who's even worse in instead. How does that make things better? Btw, the region of the country that will suffer more than anyone if amnesty ever goes through is the South since there are millions of illegals living there. Not much to worry about here in Upstate NY, the weather's too cold for them and there's not much in the way of jobs.

18 posted on 02/06/2008 7:32:27 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: marinamuffy

I think you listed to FR instead of researching for yourself. Abortion is the only real change, and I read his account of that in 2006.
He is the only one in the race who vetoed in state tuition for legals and worked against drivers licences for illegals and worked for English emersion.

So sad the south prefers the real phonies, mcpain and huck.


19 posted on 02/06/2008 7:32:49 AM PST by libbylu (Mitten Ann and I will be campaigning for Hill.)
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To: major_gaff
Romney-Feigold, Romney-Kennedy, Romney-Lieberman, Romney voted against the Bush tax cuts and Waterboarding...hey wait a minute, that wasn’t Romney...IT WAS McCAIN!!!! So who is the real RINO? Please buy a clue.....

Bingo! Beautifully stated!!

20 posted on 02/06/2008 7:32:54 AM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: JohnnyZ
I have heard no official talk or otherwise about anti-Mormon bigotry from Romney. I have seen some on these boards...but do not believe it really had any impact omn the race. Romney ran close in the larger southern states. Outside of Arkansas he garnered anywhere from 25% to 31% of the vote with the winners taking 33-35%. I would hardly call that a smashing lopsided vistory. More like very hard fought campaigns.

So, all the name calling and sophmoric "effette" talk ad nausium does not change the fact that a lot of people, including in the south, support Romney and his campaign and are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on his "changes". It is the Christian thing to do because that is precisely what Christ teaches, regardless of how you feel about the man or his campaign.

Personally he was my 3rd choice, as I have said, and I have reservations and would much preferred to see more time go by proving his "changes", but that luxury was not available. But having said that and looked closely at his record, what he said before, what he says now, and what his campaign is now based upon, and in addition to listening to strong conservative voices who have come out in support of Romney...I decided he was the best left in the pack. Not a desirous situation at all, but one we were left with.

Huckabee did very well last night and is clearly got a message that many agree with. There is a lot I agree with him on in his current campaign...and also things I absolutely do not agree with him on. McCain has even more baggage. I still feel that any of those three...with McCain absolutely on the low end of that scale...would be better than any of the democrats.

Anyhow, for all three campaigns it is now time to move forward and see what the following weeks bring. I believe that by the end of the day on March 4th when Texas and other states vote that it will be decided.

21 posted on 02/06/2008 7:33:12 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: JohnnyZ

****they said they hadn’t voted for Mitt because he’s a north-eastern liberal. ***

My reason exactly.

However, if it comes down to Hillary or Obama against Romeny, I will hold my nose, and vote for him.


22 posted on 02/06/2008 7:37:55 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Only infidel blood can quench Muslim thirst-- Abdul-Jalil Nazeer al-Karouri)
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To: libbylu
If it is Mcpain/huck i will be campaigning for Hill with Ann.

I'm glad you have found your natural home. I can understand not voting for someone but to campaign for Hillary tells me that you are no conservative.

Mike Huckabee made an excellent point about Ann Coulter (who he didn't name but didn't really need to): if she campaigns for Hillary then it all about herself and not the conservative movement.

23 posted on 02/06/2008 7:38:55 AM PST by CommerceComet (Mitt Romney: Boldly telling the audience whatever it wants to hear.)
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To: Deut28

“Was there anti-Christian bigotry in the Utah primary?”

90% going for Mitt; absolute diss of the Huckster (not that I disagree with that) — what do you think?


24 posted on 02/06/2008 7:43:34 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Don't blame me; I will write in Thompson.)
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To: Digital Sniper

Thank you, I wouldn’t really know if it’s always, I do know it’s been that way for at least the last 7 years.

As for Hillary, that woman never misses the opportunity to take a swipe at the republicans, even in her speech last night she was attacking the republicans. She is so divisive, I just can’t see her being good for this country.


25 posted on 02/06/2008 7:45:14 AM PST by psjones (u)
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To: VeniVidiVici

The fact that Romney was a liberal for 35+ years and conveniently switched to conservatism right before the election gave anyone with half a brain pause.

Romney is NO more of a conservative than McCain.

He’s a complete, utter, lying fake.


26 posted on 02/06/2008 7:45:33 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Don't blame me; I will write in Thompson.)
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To: JohnnyZ
The South was never going to vote for a liberal Yankee like that

What I was not prepared for was that his own state was not too keen on voting for him. Did you notice that Romney only carried Massachusetts by 10 points? That is very low for the state where he just left the governorship.

For all the talk about the anger against McCain in AZ over immigration(and it's real) he carried the state by 15 points. Hillary and Obama carried their home states by over 20 points.

27 posted on 02/06/2008 7:46:23 AM PST by freespirited (The worst Republican is far preferable to the best Democrat.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

No, she’s describing on an emotional level, the body language that makes us aware when someone is a fake.


28 posted on 02/06/2008 7:46:44 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Don't blame me; I will write in Thompson.)
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To: psjones
The only good that Hillary brings to the table is that she's helping redefine why conservatism, not liberalism, is this nation's saving grace.

Just as the Carter administration laid the groundwork for the great Reagan years, so the Clinton/Obama abomination will clear the RINOs out of our nation's future.

29 posted on 02/06/2008 7:50:01 AM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: JohnnyZ
I guess anyone with a full set of teeth, nice hair and no plaid shirt comes over as elite in the south.

The South was never going to vote for a liberal Yankee like that

No, you'll just vote for a liberal like Carter.

30 posted on 02/06/2008 7:51:20 AM PST by dragonblustar (Once abolish the God, and the government becomes the God - G. K. Chesterton)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Democrats rule in ‘08. Conservatives, that remain, loose. And so does the USA. The Libertarian Party, headed by McCain, lives for another day. Socialism/Communism, radical muslims, and their enablers, continue to expand their role.

Move along and enjoy the ride, no matter how much it hurts. And, slowly we turn.


31 posted on 02/06/2008 7:53:40 AM PST by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Democrats rule in ‘08. Conservatives, that remain, loose. And so does the USA. The Libertarian Party, headed by McCain, lives for another day. Socialism/Communism, radical muslims, and their enablers, continue to expand their role.

Move along and enjoy the ride, no matter how much it hurts. And, slowly we turn.


32 posted on 02/06/2008 7:53:50 AM PST by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: JohnnyZ

“Romney was the Republican John Kerry.

Effete flip-flopping French-speaking Massachusetts liberal, except this time pushed by the conservative media rather than the MSM.

The South was never going to vote for a liberal Yankee like that, and the accusations of anti-Mormon bigotry from the Romney folks make them sound just like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson on race, preaching hate and playing the victim card.”

You said it best.


33 posted on 02/06/2008 7:54:30 AM PST by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense? Don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: libbylu; marinamuffy
I think you listed to FR instead of researching for yourself. Abortion is the only real change, and I read his account of that in 2006.

Abortion, immigration, guns, global warming, taxes, campaign finance, gay rights, stem cell research, foreign policy, Ronald Reagan -- Romney's presidential campaign was a wholesale reinvention of his beliefs.

Mitt is a fraud, and the conservative South called him on it.

34 posted on 02/06/2008 7:55:56 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("Make all the promises you have to" -- Mitt Romney)
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To: dragonblustar

-—”I guess anyone with a full set of teeth, nice hair and no plaid shirt comes over as elite in the south. “

Classic humor and a true portrayal of the south! Most Californians view people from the south with disdain because they’re so bigoted about so many things (race, religion, etc.)


35 posted on 02/06/2008 7:56:59 AM PST by AlanGreenSpam ("Celebrate Diversity! Look at the world with all it's problems - Isn't "diversity" so beautiful?)
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To: Deut28

“Was there anti-Christian bigotry in the Utah primary?”

90% of the republican voters (Mormons) in Utah supported Flip. Come to your own conclusion.

Can you say, Group Think?


36 posted on 02/06/2008 7:58:39 AM PST by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense? Don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: JohnnyZ

That was a strange article by a southerner if you ask me.

1. Romney was NOT the recipient of a media push for him. Actually, it was quite the opposite, so I don’t know where this writer gets this idea.

2. The odd thing is McCain is a true Flip-Flopper, but the liberal MSM wanted to foist McSnake on the American people, so they pumped him up any chance they could get.

I’m beginning to think Americans are so stupid.


37 posted on 02/06/2008 7:59:44 AM PST by AlanGreenSpam ("Celebrate Diversity! Look at the world with all it's problems - Isn't "diversity" so beautiful?)
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To: marinamuffy

Well, you can look at McCain and say the same thing, now he’s flip flopping on the tax cuts he voted against. NOw he’s all for border security. I think we’ll see more flip flopping from mccain before this is all over. Problem for me is, can we believe McCain, I don’t.


38 posted on 02/06/2008 8:02:17 AM PST by psjones (u)
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To: Digital Sniper
McCain was against the Bush tax cuts, has consistently sided with the pro-abortionists, was behind McCain-Feingold, sought to give amnesty to tens of millions of illegal invaders, and has consistently sided with Democrats against gun owners, yet now he's touting himself as a pro-tax-cut, pro-life, pro-Second Amendment, pro-First Amendment "conservative."

Take away the Bush tax cut and McCain-Feigold references and add socialized health care and you just described Mitt Romney.

39 posted on 02/06/2008 8:02:32 AM PST by Texas Federalist (Fred Thompson 08)
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To: JohnnyZ
Mitt is beginning to feel like the conservative media's version of John Kerry

Geez, Mark. We've been saying that here on FR for, oh, about a year now.
40 posted on 02/06/2008 8:04:15 AM PST by Antoninus (I survived Roe v. Wade. 40,000,000 of my generation did not.)
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To: Texas Federalist
How about looking at some facts instead of just swallowing the McCain propaganda for a change?


41 posted on 02/06/2008 8:05:38 AM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: Reaganwuzthebest; JohnnyZ
The South was never going to vote for a liberal Yankee like that,

So they put a Southwestern liberal who's even worse in instead. How does that make things better?


No doubt.

Johnnyz: How does one not vote for a "liberal Yankee" but then is fine with voting for a "liberal Arkansan" or a "liberal Southwesterner"? I love "The South" and I know that it is almost impossible to win without "The South" but why still so much disdain for "Yankees"? I don't hear many people running around screaming, "those damn confederates". Why not just view a liberal as a liberal and a conservative as a conservative? Would you vote for a NE conservative? Or do you assume one to be untrustworthy because one is a "Yankee"?
42 posted on 02/06/2008 8:07:21 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Ownership, Individuality, Freedom, Responsibility - The Backbone of Conservatism)
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To: JohnnyZ
>>>>>Romney was the Republican John Kerry.

A good comparison, except Willard is a much better flipper... flopper... whatever.

One anti-conservative, pro-abortionist down, one to go. We are now on official Romney Death Watch.

43 posted on 02/06/2008 8:14:03 AM PST by Reagan Man (Say no to McCain, say no to Romney, say no to Huckabee. Write in Fred Thompson.)
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To: JohnnyZ

Romney keeps the Math in. Democrats and other Republicans are getting by folks with out submitting a workable budget. The comparison to Kerry is idiotic, Romney has a budget plan that is

fiscally conservative == more freedom;

fiscal morons will continue to enslave Americans to Congressional spending.


44 posted on 02/06/2008 8:15:28 AM PST by Son House (The Democrat's High Tax Rates Suppress American Freedom, Opportunity and Jobs..)
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To: JohnnyZ
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45 posted on 02/06/2008 8:16:34 AM PST by ridge
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To: Kerretarded

Here’s the agenda of mccain: endless wars, amnesty, greenhouse gas taxes, backstabbing of conservatives at every turn, constitution-hating judges who’ll uphold his attacks on the Bill of Rights. etc etc. But at least he’s not Romney.


46 posted on 02/06/2008 8:21:58 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: cvq3842

the fact is that it is pretty hard to like Romney. The guy is obnoxious. I have a visceral reaction to his phoniness


47 posted on 02/06/2008 8:22:15 AM PST by ChurtleDawg (kill em all)
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To: dmw; TheThirdRuffian

Yeah, the question was sarcastic/rhetorical. It is hilarious that the question is immediately asked when it comes to elections in the south “Will evangelicals support a Mormon?”, but never asked in the reverse. As if the religious bigotry is morally acceptable in one instance and intolerable in the other.


48 posted on 02/06/2008 8:24:09 AM PST by Deut28 (Cursed be he who perverts the justice)
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To: marinamuffy

So if Mitt is a lib, is he less of a lib than Hillary, Obama or McCain?

Choose your next President wisely. We all get stuck.

The last Texas governor’s race didn’t have a conservative running either. We had 4 Democrats to choose between (Gov. Good Hair Perry, One Tough Grandma, Chris Bell one of the crybaby Dems who took his revenge on Tom DeLay launching an ethics charge, and Kinky Friedman). So two of those Democrats had also carried the banner of Republican, they were Democrats throughout the Reagan era and one ran in the race as an independent. I voted Kinky. Perry stabbed the GOP in the back as soon as he was re-elected (he renegged on the border and laughed about it).


49 posted on 02/06/2008 8:26:08 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: Kerretarded
Why not just view a liberal as a liberal and a conservative as a conservative?

Great! Let's look at the litmus test issues, the key points, especially in the South, that will indicate that a candidate is worth considering:

Abortion - Huckabee strongly pro-life, McCain long pro-life record, Romney pro-abortion record plus flip-flop

Gay rights - Huckabee strong pro-family record, McCain good pro-family record, Romney historically and currently supports some special "gay rights"

Guns - Huckabee strongly pro-2A, McCain pretty good on 2A, Romney supported banning assault weapons

Military/veteran - Huckabee meh, McCain POW/veteran who strongly supported the surge and has son in military, Romney avoided the draft via missionary work and no one in his family has served in the military going back 100 years

Not surprisingly, the results reflected where the candidates stood on those cornerstone issues, despite Rush et al trying to push Romney.

50 posted on 02/06/2008 8:27:03 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("Make all the promises you have to" -- Mitt Romney)
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