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Talk Radio Fails Conservatives
Accuracy in Media ^ | 12/6/2008 | Cliff Kincaid

Posted on 02/06/2008 2:19:51 PM PST by Mike Bates

Our book, The Death of Talk Radio?, warned about the threat posed by liberals trying to pass into law the so-called Fairness Doctrine. Little did we know that its viability would be in jeopardy from conservatives upset over major figures in talk radio playing favorites in the Republican presidential race. The conservative talk-radio assault on John McCain and Mike Huckabee has backfired in a big way.

Supporters of Huckabee are so angry that they have launched a "Send it Back" campaign, asking people who have copies of books by Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity to send them back to their authors. They're angry that Limbaugh and Hannity were trashing Huckabee on the air. Limbaugh and Hannity were joined by Laura Ingraham in trying to rally their listeners around Mitt Romney. The ploy failed. Romney won in seven contests on Super Tuesday but failed to win either California, where he expected to win, or any Southern state.

The "Send it Back" campaign also applies to Ann Coulter, who attacked Huckabee as the "Republican Jimmy Carter." Coulter, who has achieved notoriety for making personal attacks and writing books blasting Democrats, also said that McCain was so unacceptable that she would vote and campaign for Hillary Clinton if the Arizona senator was the Republican presidential nominee.

The phenomenon known as "Huck's Army" has emerged as a major force in the campaign and helps account for his success. On Super Tuesday, he made a surprisingly strong showing by winning the Southern states of Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Tennessee, and West Virginia.

"A vote for Huck is a vote for McCain," said Limbaugh, trying to warn conservatives to stay away from the former Arkansas governor. But that's not how Huckabee's supporters saw it. They voted for Huckabee because they saw him as the superior conservative

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1 posted on 02/06/2008 2:19:55 PM PST by Mike Bates
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To: Mike Bates

Foolish. If they already paid money for the books, then sending them back isn’t going to do a darned thing. The publishing houses already got their money for it.


2 posted on 02/06/2008 2:21:38 PM PST by Sister_T (At this point, I don't know who to vote for ,,, but I know I'm not voting for McCain!)
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To: Mike Bates

No... RINO’s and poor candidates are the problem.


3 posted on 02/06/2008 2:21:55 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: Mike Bates

They can send their books to me. I have most of them already but will give to libs I know.... it has to help them.

Huck fans are a strange group.


4 posted on 02/06/2008 2:22:14 PM PST by JFC (Our "my FRiend" is not our FRiend)
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To: Mike Bates

All the above pudnits were spot on so live with it RINO, you got your candidate now get him elected without the base.


5 posted on 02/06/2008 2:22:51 PM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Mike Bates

BS. If there’s anger out there in radioland, its anger at ‘conservative hosts’, who aren’t named in this article, for playing favorites to decidedly non-conservative RINOs.


6 posted on 02/06/2008 2:23:51 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Mike Bates
Conservatives fighting conservatives...conservatives failing conservatives. That's the real stroy.

Limbaugh, Hannity, Ingraham, all of them are entitled to their opinons and are free to speak of them. It is up to us what we do with them.

The fact is, there is no real conservative in this race and conservatives are fractured in trying to decide which of those left standing is the "most" conservative. The least so, IMHO, is McCain and with his MSM support, his party/senate leadership support, and the many moderate/liberals flocking to him, he is able to easily split the difference.

7 posted on 02/06/2008 2:24:34 PM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Mike Bates

“Send it Back” Send huckahuckster back to Arkansas....


8 posted on 02/06/2008 2:24:34 PM PST by The Forgotten Man (He works, he votes, generally he prays--but he always pays....)
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To: Mike Bates

Rush says “a vote for Huck is a vote for McCain”

Would he also say a vote for nobody (or a third party candidate) in the general election is a vote for Hillary or Obama?

One wonders whether this would be a distinction without a difference.


9 posted on 02/06/2008 2:25:14 PM PST by dinoparty
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To: Mike Bates
Only the GOP could be this stupid. After having their agenda derailed or obstructed for 8 years, they make the Obstructer in Chief their nominee for President!

So the prime reason the GOP lost their Majorities in both houses of Congress is now being rewarded for his ego drive clowning with the GOP nomination for President!

I know, don’t bother the McCainicas with the facts. They got their mad man crush going because McCain flew jets 40 years ago and cannot be bothered with the facts.

10 posted on 02/06/2008 2:25:15 PM PST by MNJohnnie (So in November, is it going to be our Liberal or their Liberal?)
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To: skeeter
who aren’t named in this article

Except of course Michael Medved, who has become the proverbial turd in the conservative punchbowl.

11 posted on 02/06/2008 2:25:19 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Mike Bates

Another problem is we don’t have a GOP candidate who can unite the party. The internal fight is a good thing to bring facts and truths to light. Talk Radio does this much better than the idiot TV media wonks.


12 posted on 02/06/2008 2:25:27 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: Mike Bates

This is the most crazy thing I’ve ever heard. What the hell is in the coffee these folks are drinking?


13 posted on 02/06/2008 2:25:36 PM PST by bigfootbob
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To: Mike Bates
>>>>>The conservative talk-radio assault on John McCain and Mike Huckabee has backfired in a big way.

Sean Vannity says, its not his fault. Sean only supported Ahnold, Rooty and Romney. Some conservative.

If Rush, Laura, Sean and Levin had been more even handed, calling Romney and Giuliani out for the liberals they are, maybe voters wouldn't have ignored them.

14 posted on 02/06/2008 2:25:39 PM PST by Reagan Man (Say no to McCain, say no to Romney, say no to Huckabee. Write in Fred Thompson.)
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To: Mike Bates

Do not discount the FAIR TAX votes for Huckabee.
The supporters believe that the best way to curtail government power is to take the tax issue from their control.

What better conservative issue is there?

Rush and Sean need to get out more!


15 posted on 02/06/2008 2:26:01 PM PST by griswold3 (Al queda is guilty of hirabah (war against society) Penalty is death.)
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To: tflabo
Another problem is we don’t have a GOP candidate who can unite the party.

Amen.

16 posted on 02/06/2008 2:26:41 PM PST by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Mike Bates

For all the self-professed “true conservatives” here ... what is your estimate of the percentage of “true conservatives” in the general voting-age population? Just curious.


17 posted on 02/06/2008 2:27:08 PM PST by dinoparty
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To: Mike Bates
Supporters of Huckabee are so angry that they have launched a "Send it Back" campaign, asking people who have copies of books by Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity to send them back to their authors.

Yeah like that will happen.

18 posted on 02/06/2008 2:27:13 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks (WE'RE DOOMED! ©®™)
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To: Mike Bates
Talk Radio did not fail. Talk radio is about the host giving his/her opinion, and then letting callers give their opinion. The left has always made the stupid accusation that talk radio forms our opinions for us. They are wrong.

Talk radio hosts give their opinion on the candidates, thats their role. They do not issue the public opinion. Talk radio did not fail.

What failed was no good qualified inspirational conservatives got out there and ran. The few conservatives that did run, ran a poor campaign and quit. We need better people to run.

19 posted on 02/06/2008 2:27:13 PM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: griswold3

In fairness to Rush, he acknowledged this on his show today. Its a good point.


20 posted on 02/06/2008 2:28:07 PM PST by dinoparty
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To: Reagan Man
If Rush, Laura, Sean and Levin had been more even handed

After all is said and done, somebody is going to be out a lot of credibility, either the radio crowd or McCain. I don't claim to know which, at this early juncture. Although there are probably plenty here will make that claim.

21 posted on 02/06/2008 2:28:08 PM PST by squidly
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To: Mike Bates

Mighty thin-skinned bunch, it seems to me.


22 posted on 02/06/2008 2:28:25 PM PST by Bahbah
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To: Mike Bates

Huck has already started his book burnings?? I didn’t think that would start until he was in Cheney’s house.


23 posted on 02/06/2008 2:28:33 PM PST by Yaelle (Being McCain-boarded feels like you're drowning, too)
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To: Mike Bates

is kincaid still trying to be relevant? Seems i saw him on tv back in the 90s.
If huck supporters are mad,they should see me.


24 posted on 02/06/2008 2:28:36 PM PST by libbylu (Ann and I will be campaigning for Hill.)
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To: Sister_T

Well, this does reinforce that to be a Huckbee supporter is to have a tenuous grasp of economics. This is a little like burning down your neighborhood to protest a court decision you don’t like.


25 posted on 02/06/2008 2:28:46 PM PST by coramdeo
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To: griswold3
Sure. A Nation wide smoking band demanding the US apologies to Pakistan because Al Qeda wacked Bhutto tax and spender like Huck is actually going to magically get rid of the income tax. More likely we would end up with both taxes.

Shovel your crap elsewhere. The People here know Huckabees real record. He is not a Conservative.

26 posted on 02/06/2008 2:29:16 PM PST by MNJohnnie (So in November, is it going to be our Liberal or their Liberal?)
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To: dinoparty
. . .what is your estimate of the percentage of “true conservatives” in the general voting-age population?

That would depend on your definition of "true conservative."

27 posted on 02/06/2008 2:29:39 PM PST by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Mike Bates

I know why I’m angry, and it’s not because anyone criticized Huckabee or McCain. Mainly, it’s because of the folks who went with Giuliani and Romney because they thought they were the certain winners.

Romney has lost to McCain partly because McCain and Huckabee ganged up on him and traded delegates, partly because he’s identified with Massachusetts, partly because of egregious things he has said and done in the past, and partly because people just didn’t trust him.

It’s far too late now, but Fred would have been a viable candidate if the talk show hosts and NRO had plugged him, instead of those they calculated were “winners.” But the MSM buried him, and the talkshow hosts did nothing to fight it. In fact, many of them piled on, because they were for Mitt or Rudy.


28 posted on 02/06/2008 2:29:59 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: coramdeo

LOL! How true.


29 posted on 02/06/2008 2:30:16 PM PST by Sister_T (At this point, I don't know who to vote for ,,, but I know I'm not voting for McCain!)
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To: Mike Bates

The combined vote totals of Romney and Huckabee are evidence that conservatives outnumbered liberal Republicans who favored McCain.

Since it appears there was collusion between liberal McCain and perceived conservative, Huckabee to deny Romney the conservative vote, Republican conservative rank and file need to rise up, just like we did over Harriet Miers and amnesty and demand a runoff between McCain and Romney.

It’s either a runoff, or let McCain work out some back room deal with Huckabee and decide the fate of our party. Conservative talk radio can help lead the chorus for a runoff primary between liberal McCain and the one preferred by a majority of conservatives, Romney.


30 posted on 02/06/2008 2:30:38 PM PST by Nephi ( $100m ante is a symptom of the old media... the Ron Paul Revolution is the new media's choice.)
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To: Bahbah

“Mighty thin-skinned bunch, it seems to me.”

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!

Have you read the anti-McCain whining on here for the last month? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Ha!


31 posted on 02/06/2008 2:31:16 PM PST by dinoparty
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To: Mike Bates

If conservatives have been failed by anybody, it is a bunch of guys named Bush and Dole who have gotten their name on national ballots time and time again, talk radio has not failed conservatives as much as that crowd.


32 posted on 02/06/2008 2:31:22 PM PST by Biblebelter (I will NEVER EVER vote for McCain or any other current Senator.)
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To: Mike Bates
Actually, it goes to show that Conservative talk show listeners are NOT mind-numbed robots. We don't take our marching orders from anyone, even if they're one of our favorite talk show hosts.

conservatives are individualists. We don't have to be given signs from some Union to show our support for somebody.

33 posted on 02/06/2008 2:31:28 PM PST by MuttTheHoople
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To: Mike Bates
The so-called “backfire” will backfire.

I think I’ll plop down a few bucks for a Laura Ingraham book this weekend. I haven’t read her latest, and I heard it’s pretty good.

Reminds me of an old Garfield cartoon. Jon tells Garfield “go ahead Garfield, scratch the couch all you want!” and thinks to himself “ha ha ha reverse psychology”. Garfield goes to the couch, SCRATCH SCRATCH SCRATCH and thinks to himself: “ha ha ha reverse-reverse psychology”.

34 posted on 02/06/2008 2:32:01 PM PST by LiberConservative
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To: GregoTX

>> Talk radio did not fail.

Rush had a rather profound statement on this topic yesterday.

In response to those who accuse him of “failing” because the candidates he supports don’t get elected, he says he doesn’t measure his success by their standards.

He has conservative principles that DO NOT CHANGE based on which election year it is and who is running. He measures his success by how true he is to those principles of conservatism, not by whether or not the media (or anyone else) finds him “successful”.


35 posted on 02/06/2008 2:32:03 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Retire Ron Paul! Support Chris Peden (www.chrispeden.org))
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To: Yaelle
Huck has already started his book burnings?? I didn’t think that would start until he was in Cheney’s house.

The way things are going, I think ol' Purple Lips may be the next occupant.


36 posted on 02/06/2008 2:32:10 PM PST by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: dinoparty
According to poling data it a 42 Right-38 Left- 20 middle of the road country.

But I know, you political genius who have been moving the GOP to the left of the last decade thing it the other way around. 42 Moderate-38 Left-20 Right.

Well you got what you wanted. Purged all us icky right wingers out of your party. Go see how well you do in Nov now. You all keep telling us you can win without us. Get to it.

37 posted on 02/06/2008 2:32:27 PM PST by MNJohnnie (So in November, is it going to be our Liberal or their Liberal?)
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To: JFC

Hell, I’ll buy them again and Rush, Sean and Ann can send the money to the charity of their choice.
They should put the re-sent copies on their web-sites.


38 posted on 02/06/2008 2:33:47 PM PST by mpackard (Proud mama of a Sailor.)
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To: Mike Bates

No, that’s why I asked the question. Lots of people on this board seem to be quite sure they know what a “true conservative” is, so I’d like THEM to estimate what percentage of the voting age population fits the definition they give.


39 posted on 02/06/2008 2:33:49 PM PST by dinoparty
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To: coramdeo

If you end up with demand side economics, it may come to that!
Be sure your on the correct side of the government mandates.
Be sure your on the correct side of central planning.
Be sure your first in line for rationing.

Excuse me, I must go find my WIN button!


40 posted on 02/06/2008 2:33:51 PM PST by griswold3 (Al queda is guilty of hirabah (war against society) Penalty is death.)
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To: Mike Bates
Can we just send the candidates back instead?

Who's got the "DO NOT WANT!" picture?

41 posted on 02/06/2008 2:34:11 PM PST by ravingnutter
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To: Mike Bates

I definitely think conservative talk radio failed real conservative candidates. And I’m not a Huckabee supporter.

I stopped listening to Hugh Hewitt after he pushed Schwarzenegger on us, I long ago stopped listening to Medved or Hannity and I rarely listen to Laura any more. All mediocrity.

I’m back to just Rush and occasionally Dennis Prager.


42 posted on 02/06/2008 2:34:36 PM PST by sandyeggo
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To: bigfootbob

> This is the most crazy thing I’ve ever heard. <

Then you haven’t seen or heard other items from Cliff Kincaid. It seems that he loves to bash conservatives, even though he claims to be one himself.


43 posted on 02/06/2008 2:35:25 PM PST by Hawthorn
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To: Nervous Tick

I’ve posted this thought at least once before, but it wouldn’t surprise me if at least part of Rush’s stance had been taken in order to get Hillary in the White House. The Clintons were the best thing that ever happened to Rush’s career.


44 posted on 02/06/2008 2:35:26 PM PST by squidly
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To: MNJohnnie

So you are telling me that if you outlined all the positions that a “true conservative” must support to earn that title ... 42% of all voting age Americans would agree on each and every one of those issues???

Does anyone else believe that?


45 posted on 02/06/2008 2:36:11 PM PST by dinoparty
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To: tflabo

“No... RINO’s and poor candidates are the problem.”

Sure,

But we need to work harder as individuals to prevent that.

we need to become more active rallying behind conservatives early on, so the MSM doesnt pick our candidates for us.

We have to start doing more then “talk radio”.

Time to roll up sleeves.

I think the war and the democrats attacks on our troops have distracted us in this regard.

Blame lays with us ultimately.

But that is fine, because that means we can change things.


46 posted on 02/06/2008 2:36:26 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: squidly

You can post it a million times and it’ll still be garbage.


47 posted on 02/06/2008 2:37:05 PM PST by beandog (If exercise is so good for you, why does every bone in my body hurt)
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To: Mike Bates; SquirrelKing
The phenomenon known as "Huck's Army"


48 posted on 02/06/2008 2:37:12 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Jeff Head

You got it. you nailed it. Huckabee isn’t a conservative. He is an evangelical. Big diff. Did you see the most excellent “How the Republican Party committed suicide”? It is at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1965864/posts


49 posted on 02/06/2008 2:37:12 PM PST by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: MNJohnnie

I NEVER said he was a conservative.

I’m a FREDHEAD. But apparently the conservatives allowed him to be pegged with some petty tags.

heed this:
A democracy cannot survive as a permanent form of government. It can last only until its citizens discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority (who vote) will vote for those candidates promising the greatest benefits from the public purse, with the result that a democracy will always collapse from loose fiscal policies, always followed by a dictatorship.

Where do you think we are now?


50 posted on 02/06/2008 2:38:04 PM PST by griswold3 (Al queda is guilty of hirabah (war against society) Penalty is death.)
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