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Mainstream GOP gets credit for McCain surge
East Valley Tribune ^ | February 6, 2008 | Paul Giblin

Posted on 02/06/2008 11:51:10 PM PST by calcowgirl

Presidential candidate John McCain's sweeping victories on Super Tuesday revealed what could be a post-partisanship era in politics.

Republican voters across the country turned away from the party's more conservative candidates and selected the Arizona senator again and again in primary contests from New York to California.

The ultraconservative radio talk show hosts, bloggers and newspaper columnists simply didn't resonate with the party's majority members - the soccer moms and NASCAR dads who never attend precinct meetings, but showed up on election day. Whether those high-profile opinion givers like it or not, McCain is their man.

Rep. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., traveling with McCain from Phoenix to Washington, D.C., on Wednesday, was asked whether McCain's success illustrated the Republican Party is far more mainstream than it has appeared during the past seven years.

"Perhaps. I hesitate to call it 'mainstream,' but yeah, that's probably right," Flake told the Tribune. "It certainly is more diverse than some people want to admit."

Rep. John Shadegg, R-Ariz., also traveling with McCain, said McCain's single-day achievement indicated the GOP is a centrist party.

"It tells you that folks from the hard right kind of make their living by whipping things up," he said.

"And it also tells you that Republicans are pragmatic. They understand that there is kind of a core Republican philosophy. They want to see candidates with that philosophy win. They don't want to get behind some extreme candidate and lose the seat," Shadegg said.

McCain will have the opportunity to spell out his Republican philosophy today at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, as he continues his quest to lock up his party's nomination for November's general election.

(Excerpt) Read more at eastvalleytribune.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cpac; elections; freerepublic; gop; jeffflake; johnmccain; mccain; mcmexico; mcshamnesty; rino; rmsp; schadenfreude; shadegg
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"post-partisanship era"

"the GOP is a centrist party"

Oh, Joy.

1 posted on 02/06/2008 11:51:14 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

Time for a Federalist party, it seems.


2 posted on 02/06/2008 11:52:45 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Second To None!)
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To: calcowgirl
The ultraconservative radio talk show hosts, bloggers and newspaper columnists simply didn't resonate with the party's majority members

What a load of BS, the majority of conservatives voted for the fiscal conservative (Romney) or the social conservative (Huckabee). McCain got about 1/3 of the "moderate" GOP and a whole lot of crossover independents and Democrats.

3 posted on 02/06/2008 11:55:31 PM PST by chaos_5 (McStain and Suckabee 2008)
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To: calcowgirl

As I recall, McCain was winning without the Conservative Base, which split between Romney and Huckabee. He will never win in November without that essential Republican group.


4 posted on 02/06/2008 11:55:56 PM PST by SatinDoll (Desperately seeking a conservative candidate.)
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To: calcowgirl

WTF is “main-stream” GOP?


5 posted on 02/06/2008 11:59:20 PM PST by raygun (24.14% of the Voting Age Population elected Slick (The Cigar) Willey to a second term.)
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To: calcowgirl

The GOP, a party of RINOs. Who’d a thought.


6 posted on 02/06/2008 11:59:52 PM PST by gpapa (Kill the terrorists, protect the borders, punch the hippies)
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To: SatinDoll

It is interesting that McCain won Super Tuesday with 66% of Republicans voting for someone else.


7 posted on 02/07/2008 12:00:30 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If McCane is so “centrist” why is he making all these claims about being a hard right conservative. Why is he chasing the conservative vote? Why isn’t he appealing to all the “moderates” with his moderate accomplishments? I think he simply has fooled all the “lightweight” republicans who just aren’t paying attention, but they vote anyway.
8 posted on 02/07/2008 12:00:38 AM PST by LloydofDSS (Christian who believes in freedom.)
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To: chaos_5

McCain’s big “surge” and whopping win in California was based on only 18% of registered Republican voters,
or 6% of total registered voters in the state.

Somehow I don’t think his “mainstream” “post-partisanship” will have a whole lot of staying power.


10 posted on 02/07/2008 12:03:57 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: sageb1
It is interesting that McCain won Super Tuesday with 66% of Republicans voting for someone else.

82% of registered Republicans in California did NOT vote for him.

The guy sure can motivate the base (to reject him!).

11 posted on 02/07/2008 12:05:42 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl
Somehow I don’t think his “mainstream” “post-partisanship” will have a whole lot of staying power.

I disagree, it will because the MSM will keep telling us this over and over again.

12 posted on 02/07/2008 12:06:21 AM PST by chaos_5 (McStain and Suckabee 2008)
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To: LloydofDSS
I pay a lot of attention and found him to be the most conservative out of the 3 guys running.

Human Events mag had Romney #8 on their "TOP 10 RINOS" list just 2 years ago and yet we have all of these super smart people running around calling him a "conservative" all of a sudden because he has good hair and $400 neck ties.

Huckabee is more conservative than MYTH but McCain would be a better POTUS, he has an ACU rating of 83%.

Has he made mistakes and written some bad legislation and made some bad votes, certainly.

Either vote for him or not, there are plenty of Democrats that will be voting for him over the 2 Marxists anyway.

13 posted on 02/07/2008 12:09:09 AM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: raygun

That is post of the year material right there.


14 posted on 02/07/2008 12:10:27 AM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: calcowgirl
the soccer moms and NASCAR dads who never attend precinct meetings, but showed up on election day. Whether those high-profile opinion givers like it or not, McCain is their man.

In other words, the people who don't pay any attention to politics. The people who just let the MSM feed them sound bytes and don't do any research.

15 posted on 02/07/2008 12:10:44 AM PST by NurdlyPeon (geek dude over 50)
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To: raygun
WTF is “main-stream” GOP?

That would be all the liberal/moderate/independent/democrats that vote for McInsane

16 posted on 02/07/2008 12:11:01 AM PST by chaos_5 (McStain and Suckabee 2008)
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To: chaos_5

Really.


18 posted on 02/07/2008 12:15:07 AM PST by raygun (24.14% of the Voting Age Population elected Slick (The Cigar) Willey to a second term.)
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To: calcowgirl

Exactly...and then there were the Republicans who were suddenly informed they were non-partisan who couldn’t vote at all in a heavily pro-Romney region. What was up with that?


19 posted on 02/07/2008 12:15:27 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: raygun

Go to bed.


20 posted on 02/07/2008 12:17:40 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: raygun

21 posted on 02/07/2008 12:17:47 AM PST by chaos_5 (McStain and Suckabee 2008)
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To: raygun
WTF is “main-stream” GOP?

I guess that's their way of calling us milquetoast. This is all a plot by the Rockefeller country club Republicans to recapture the party that they lost in 1964.

22 posted on 02/07/2008 12:18:36 AM PST by Azzurri
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To: raygun

Thought you were going to do some “gnad” kicking when you came back?


23 posted on 02/07/2008 12:22:50 AM PST by nralife
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To: calcowgirl
"...the soccer moms and NASCAR dads who never attend precinct meetings, but showed up on election day. Whether those high-profile opinion givers like it or not, McCain is their man..."

That's nice: the least-informed make the most of McCain.

:-/

24 posted on 02/07/2008 12:24:11 AM PST by Does so (...against all enemies, DOMESTIC and foreign...)
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To: chaos_5

Mods must be asleep tonight.


26 posted on 02/07/2008 12:27:42 AM PST by flying Elvis ("In...War, the errors which proceed from a spirit of benevolence are the worst" Clausewitz.)
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To: flying Elvis

Either that, or they’re voting.


27 posted on 02/07/2008 12:29:46 AM PST by raygun (24.14% of the Voting Age Population elected Slick (The Cigar) Willey to a second term.)
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To: chaos_5
What a load of BS, the majority of conservatives voted for the fiscal conservative (Romney) or the social conservative (Huckabee). McCain got about 1/3 of the "moderate" GOP and a whole lot of crossover independents and Democrats.

Correction: What a load of BS, the majority of conservatives voted for the fiscal conservative (Romney) or the FAKE conservative (Huckabee). McCain got about 1/3 of the "moderate" GOP and a whole lot of crossover independents and Democrats.

That fixed it.

Great point though.

Without the corrupt liberal pretending to be a conservative, and taking a load of votes from he uninformed, and gullible, McCain would be out of the race now.

28 posted on 02/07/2008 12:34:17 AM PST by SUSSA
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To: raygun

Are you on the wrong thread?


29 posted on 02/07/2008 12:43:00 AM PST by gpapa (Kill the terrorists, protect the borders, punch the hippies)
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To: calcowgirl

I think the credit belongs also to those who spent their time carrying water for the liberals by bashing Mitt Romney.


30 posted on 02/07/2008 12:50:19 AM PST by Dragonspirit (Mitt basher in 2012: What happened? I thought bashing Romney would move the party rightward? Oh no!)
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To: raygun

Again. Go to bed. Take it up in the morning.


31 posted on 02/07/2008 12:54:27 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: raygun

Take an Ambien and go to bed.


32 posted on 02/07/2008 12:56:03 AM PST by toddlintown (Building More Highways For Children---Huckleberry Talking Point)
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To: gpapa

He’s putting that stuff on every thread tonight. Ray’s our resident something or other. What that is, I have no idea.


33 posted on 02/07/2008 12:56:19 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: toddlintown

Ray may need to hold off on any additional pharmaceuticals. I’m betting his nightstand looks like Heath Ledger’s at this point.


34 posted on 02/07/2008 12:58:19 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: Rome2000

I think Ray is channelling Sam Kinison.


35 posted on 02/07/2008 12:59:35 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: SatinDoll

you’ll never win an election without appeal to moderates and independents. mcCain knows exactly what he is doing.


36 posted on 02/07/2008 1:03:25 AM PST by ari-freedom (Gong hei fat choy!)
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To: calcowgirl
"post-partisanship era"

More like post-partisanship depression!

37 posted on 02/07/2008 1:06:19 AM PST by wai-ming
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I woke up at 1:30 AM CST, took the dogs out, started watching a great program about the old Stax recording studios and decided it was time for a cup of coffee. Too early to start hitting the sauce.

About 2 this afternoon, I’ll regret this, the late night/early morning FR posting and coffee drinking...


38 posted on 02/07/2008 1:07:10 AM PST by toddlintown (Building More Highways For Children---Huckleberry Talking Point)
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To: LloydofDSS

He already did appeal to the moderates for years. Now that the nomination is in the bag, he will appeal to the conservatives, but not the real die hards. They will always hate him.

Very different from the usual strategy of appealing to conservatives to get the nomination and moving to the middle for the general.

Primary voters are very ideological and tend to pick candidates that don’t have broad appeal beyond their base. McCain doesn’t want a red vs blue strategy. He wants to go all over the map


39 posted on 02/07/2008 1:13:27 AM PST by ari-freedom (Gong hei fat choy!)
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To: toddlintown

I gotta do this stuff without the caffeine. Swore it off a dozen years ago. I just ate a steak, and I’m about to go face first into the keyboard.


40 posted on 02/07/2008 1:16:46 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: ari-freedom
... He wants to go all over the map.

He has been doing that with his voting record for years

41 posted on 02/07/2008 1:21:18 AM PST by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold)
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To: verklaring

yes but there is a structure to it.


42 posted on 02/07/2008 1:31:20 AM PST by ari-freedom (Gong hei fat choy!)
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To: calcowgirl
The Republican Party has become attractive to Independents who have become disinfranchised by the far left DemonRAT Party. The DemonRATs—and I call them that name because they deserve it—have become so anti-American, that a huge core right out of the heart of political spectrum, has decided that the Republican Party with John McCain, looks pretty good. I am certain that this group, along with the traditional Republican base; if united, will take out anything the DemonRATs have to throw at us.
43 posted on 02/07/2008 1:37:24 AM PST by jonrick46
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To: calcowgirl

“Mainstream”, eh? Riiiiiiiiiight.


44 posted on 02/07/2008 1:55:36 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat ((I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!))
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To: calcowgirl

Sounds like another McCain thumb in the eye to conservatives.


45 posted on 02/07/2008 1:59:11 AM PST by Zack Attack
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To: ari-freedom

President George W. Bush did something I find horrifying - he does not uphold the laws of the United States, something he swore an oath to do, hand on a Bible.

If you have courage, then go to the following:

http://www.reforminstitute.org

This is a thinktank Senator John McCain set up so that far-left wingers like David Geffen, George Soros (Tides Foundation), and the Environmental Defense Fund, could donate tens of thousands of dollars to him without it becoming highly public.

There is nothing illegal about this 501 nonprofit organization. But the ideas that come out of it ought to scare the hell out of any redblooded American.

His outreach representative to Hispanics is Dr. Juan Hernandez, a former Mexican government official who wants to abolish the U.S.’s borders and sovereignty. McCain has publicly stated that he agrees with EVERYTHING Dr. Hernandez believes.

Abolishing our nation’s sovereignty is not something a President should do.


46 posted on 02/07/2008 2:33:40 AM PST by SatinDoll (Desperately seeking a conservative candidate.)
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To: Rome2000

If you believe McCain would be a good president, then I suggest you look at my post at #46, and pay a visit to the Senator’s ultra-liberal think tank, the Reform Institute.

He obviously doesn’t think much of the Freedom of Speech and couldn’t give a rat’s fart about our nation’s sovereignty, as he isn’t just an open border guy but a NO BORDER AT ALL kind of guy.

Not the kind of President I’ll support.


47 posted on 02/07/2008 2:39:24 AM PST by SatinDoll (Desperately seeking a conservative candidate.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The old Federalist Party, ie Hamilton, believed in a strong central government and so doesn’t the NEW Federalist party. They also believe in environmentalism and graduated taxation (ie “tax the rich”)- sort of, demonRAT party light.

http://www.geocities.com/new_federalists

The Constitution party (the old US Taxpayers Party), on the other hand, still looks good, although their stand on “foreign entanglements” gives me pause...

http://www.constitutionparty.com


48 posted on 02/07/2008 2:43:28 AM PST by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: SatinDoll

and ideas are a terrible thing, right? We must all recite from Ann Coulter’s books right before we go to sleep every night and say Amen.

Did you hate Reagan?
In a radio address in 1977, he noted that apples were rotting on trees in New England because no Americans were willing to pick them. “It makes one wonder about the illegal alien fuss. Are great numbers of our unemployed really victims of the illegal alien invasion or are those illegal tourists actually doing work our own people won’t do?” Reagan asked. “One thing is certain in this hungry world; no regulation or law should be allowed if it results in crops rotting in the fields for lack of harvesters.”

The GOP is the party of Reagan.


49 posted on 02/07/2008 3:00:15 AM PST by ari-freedom (Gong hei fat choy!)
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To: 13Sisters76

well I don’t believe in a graduated tax at all and that was one reason I voted for Huckabee.

mcCain is also for a flat tax and kemp, Forbes and Rudy support him.

Q: Do you favor a flat tax? A: Sure, I’m for a flat tax. I’m for a tax system where average Americans can fill out their tax return on a postcard and send it in and not have the fear of an audit. But do you know why the tax code is 44,000 pages long? Do you know why it’s a nightmare, a chamber of horrors for average citizens and a cornucopia of good deals for the special interests? It’s because every time we pass a tax bill we add another special loophole and a special deal for the special interests.
Source: Republican Debate at Dartmouth College Oct 29, 1999

FORBES [to McCain]: Cutting the capital gains tax is key to a prosperous future. In New Hampshire you indicated support for a flat tax and I was wondering if you might put flesh on those bones and tell us what you have in mind for tax reform?

MCCAIN: I want to thank you for your efforts on behalf of a flat tax. I think we’ve got to eliminate the marriage penalty, the earnings test, raise the 15% tax bracket, put a level of $5 million on the inheritance tax. But this tax code is 44,000 pages long. It’s an abomination. It’s a cornucopia of good deals for the special interests and it’s a nightmare for American citizens. We’ve got to get rid of the special interest loopholes that are right in this tax code. That’s the first step in cleaning it up to reach your goal of a simplified tax system. I appreciate your efforts. But until the day arrives when we remove the influence of the special interests, we’re not going to be able to achieve your goal.
Source: (cross-ref. from Forbes) Phoenix Arizona GOP Debate Dec 7, 1999


50 posted on 02/07/2008 3:04:55 AM PST by ari-freedom (Gong hei fat choy!)
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