Posted on 02/07/2008 5:31:01 AM PST by manapua
Today, many in the Republican party and the conservative movement are saying some strange things about the prospect of our very likely nominee, Senator John McCain, and his ascent to the GOP nomination. Many think he will destroy the conservative movement if not the Republican party, and many have even said they simply will not vote for him in a general election if he heads the GOP ticket. Moreover, others have even said they would consider voting for Senator Hillary Clinton or that there is simply no difference between Senators Clinton and Barack Obama on the one hand, and Senator John McCain on the other. Some who have said the foregoing are our dear and close friends, allies, and callers.
This sense and sensibility is simply wrong. . .
(Excerpt) Read more at article.nationalreview.com ...
Some good items in here and something fairly pithy to digest...
Looks like Bennet is angling for a cabinet position with Shamnesty McCain.
Well I for one will NEVER vote for that proven open borders traitor.
Looks like Bennet is angling for a cabinet position with Shamnesty McCain.
Well I for one will NEVER vote for that proven open borders traitor.
Bill Bennett.........don’t need to hear any more Liberal McCain apoligists.
Problem is we don't have any choices unless we leave our principles behind and that I will not do.Sorry RNC, but you will not get my vote for president this time.
Sorry, Bill, not buying.
Hilarious. Yeah, Bill Bennet, that raging liberal.
Oh, those little things.
SNORT.
A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice.
Thomas Paine
If the authors want to put party over principle, that's their choice. But I won't do it.
I lost all respect for William Bennett in the 90’s when he changed his position on life.
So the frog sez to the other frog, no, don’t jump out of the pot! I’m sure it won’t get any warmer.
I'm just gonna write-in :)
McCain HAS JUAN HERNANDEZ on his staff. I will NEVER vote for the establishment sellout candidate McCain.
He was pushed and tricked on to the voters. I am not falling into line this time.
If you do not believe he was pushed on us, ask yourself why JM has never had to answer in a nationally televised debate any questions about his democrat collaberator policies.
We are supposed to vote for this trash and many have yet to hear the truths about him.
Vote for him? When hell freezes over.
The “if you don’t vote for McCain, it’s a vote for Hillary or Obama” argument assumes that (1) there are only two possible choices to be made and (2) that the Republican Party should always be able to count on the automatic votes of me and many others like me.
Neither assumption is true. Certainly not anymore.
I think McCain is dangerous, and would be bad for the country. So how can I vote for him? I would never vote Democrat either.
Third-party, write-in, and leaving the top spot blank are very poor options. But they are there.
Voting to do substantial damage to the country is an even worse option. And I won’t do it.
I know that many are concerned about the issue of the war and the judges. This is the time for us to RETAKE congress with conservative members and built a VETO-proof firewall from both McStain's Souters as well as Clinton's Ginzbergs. The war is going to be problematic but a disasterous retreat will lead to direct attacks on Americans on American soil. This while tragic, should convince most sane thinking people that the "bush lied" , "no war for oil" moveon.org , 911 truthers that GWOT is no joke.
If McStain wins the nomination (which is close but not forgone conclusion)We conservatives will need to seriously consider defunding the Republican party on a national level (ie Presidential and Congressional elections)and bringing the local state parties to heel
I will vote for the Republican nominee.
A write-in is a futile option and I would NEVER vote for the Democrt candidates. Stay home and pout? After watching Iraqis and Afghanis risk their lives to go to the polls, never in a million years.
This is the enemy, folks: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,328832,00.html
And in November we'll have McCain or Romney versus Clinton or Obama. McCain and Romney, despite their liberalism and flaws, get it that we are in a war whether we like it or not. The other guys refuse to acknowledge that a whole slew of non-govt entities as well as hostile states by proxy that are at war with us.
If we lived in a time of peace, there's no way I'd pull the lever for McCain. I'm still ticked at his temper tantrum after the South Carolina primary in 2000. I think he's as big a jerk as Willard. But damnit. There are some other things at stake.
Bill Bennett = Washington Insider
Although I’m sure he’s a perfectly likable guy, I’m getting tired of these Washington Insiders telling me how I should feel about John McCain. I’m perfectly capable of coming to my own conclusions.
Is this the same Bill Bennet that wrote a certain book for children
The Book of Virtues
by William J. Bennett
Vice not covered anywhere, his gambling adiction surfaced,
and he took a hit.
He is requesting that we choose to gamble on Mccain doing the right thing.
To each his or her own.
I plan to vote for conservatives down the ticket, and to vote for president. I will not stay home. It just won’t be anyone I think would be harmful to, among other things, the country’s and our brave troops’ efforts against terrorists. Which for me includes Clinton, Obama and McCain.
Again, I know opinions differ.
And you think that the Coulters and Hannities of the world have gone hysterical purely out of principle? Did it cross your mind that they might be scared of losing access and proximity to power?
I have said from the beginning, I will support the nominee because the alternative is just unthinkable. I just can’t imagine what harm a democrat President and Congress will do to this country in four years.
I have said from the beginning, I will support the nominee because the alternative is just unthinkable. I just can’t imagine what harm a democrat President and Congress will do to this country in four years.
Look for me it is this simple:
McCain ACU Lifetime rating - 82 for 2006 it was 65
Hill 9 and 12
Bama 8 and 8
i dont like McCain but he is a far better option than the other two. I voiced my preference in the primary, he did not win so now in the general i will voice my preference over the other two.
Look for me it is this simple:
McCain ACU Lifetime rating - 82 for 2006 it was 65
Hill 9 and 12
Bama 8 and 8
i dont like McCain but he is a far better option than the other two. I voiced my preference in the primary, he did not win so now in the general i will voice my preference over the other two.
Look for me it is this simple:
McCain ACU Lifetime rating - 82 for 2006 it was 65
Hill 9 and 12
Bama 8 and 8
i dont like McCain but he is a far better option than the other two. I voiced my preference in the primary, he did not win so now in the general i will voice my preference over the other two. McCain is prolife, progun and promilitary. The others are anti-life, anti-gun and anti-military.
"Bipartisanship" Is A Dirty Word; and RUSH: "We want to defeat them"
6/20/05- Voted YES with Dems, to block for the second time, the confirmation President Bush's choice for U.N. Ambassador, John Bolton.
What's up with THAT, McCain??
7/29/05- Voted NO to Offering tax breaks and incentives to encourage oil and gas companies to provide innovative ways to reduce the nation's dependence on foreign oil, conserve resources and reduce pollution.
John McCain prefers us to be dependent on Foreign Oil, apparently.
6/7/06- Voted NO with Dems, on a Senate cloture vote on the gay marriage amendment, effectively killing the amendment.
Conservative values John?? Where?
7/18/06- Voted YES with Dems on legislation would allow federal funding for research on stem cell lines derived from embryos that would otherwise be destroyed.
Yes, ladies, you can abort in John's eyes, but he just can't stomach a partial birth abortion. Such a man of conviction...
3/15/07-DID NOT VOTE against the non-binding resolution that would have revised U.S. policy on Iraq. The measure had directed the president to begin a phased redeployment of U.S. forces from Iraq within 120 days of the resolution’s enactment.
John was for the war before he was so-so about it...
4/26/07-DID NOT VOTE against joint legislation providing $124.2 billion primarily for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and setting benchmarks and a timetable for the withdrawal of troops from Iraq. President Bush vetoed the bill on May 1.
DITTO.
6/7/07-DID NOT VOTE for cloture vote that would have moved the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 forward to an "up or down" vote on the Senate floor.
Come on John, we would really like to know where you and the other sellouts really stand on illegal immigration. You dodged, again...
7/26/07- DID NOT VOTE with Republicans for an amendment to the Homeland Security Act of 2002. The bill required the inspection of all cargo traveling on passenger aircrafts and establishes the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board.
And we thought you were all about National Security...where were you?
8/3/07- DID NOT VOTE with Republicans for the amendment to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978. The bill gives U.S. spy agencies expanded power to eavesdrop on foreign suspects without a court order.
We're at war, John, why aren't you voting to protect Americans?
...and this is just over a two year time frame. Throw in McCain-Feingold, Gang of 14, Illegal Immigration Reform et al.. McCain is a liberal because he either votes with liberals or abstains when it matters the most to vote as a conservative.
Why should we now believe that McCain has had a "Road to Damascus" moment? The guy is a twisted wreck at best. I DO NOT TRUST MCCAIN BECAUSE HE'S UNPREDICTABLE and a shadow liberal.
dont take my word for it go to the site and check out his record and how they came to their conclusions
http://www.ontheissues.org/John_McCain.htm
check this one out too
“I lost all respect for William Bennett in the 90’s when he changed his position on life.”
Oh dear! Do you have specifics?!
I’m voting for Romney, next month... He’ll probably lose the nomination, but my vote does send a Texas message to McCain.
If McCain can demonstrate that he got our message, I’ll vote for him in November.
Bill Bennett is correct to call out that we have more in common with McCains voting record than anything the Dems can put out there... I will not vote for Billary Clinton. I will not vote for Obama.
You are joking about supporting McCain, aren’t you?
I did not support McCain in the primary (NH voted for Fred torn between him and Hunter)
however if he is the General election nominee i will vote for him over Hill/Bama which is my point
I will not. As of this time there is no R (or of course D) in the race that will get my vote for Pres.
Sorry, I do not subscribe to the “no vote = D vote” theory. It is not my fault that the RNC chose to run liberals and call them conservatives.
And so speaking of Hillary.....
....let’s revisit for a moment the spectre of her possible election.
First, the woman DID vote FOR the war in Iraq no mind her speaking out of both sides of her mouth now that the Moonbat wing of her party should vote for her.
Hill knows that her previous administration played fiddle a little too long whilst Rome burned and I’m not convinced the Hill will just up and pull the troops. I think she’d make a better CIC then...well than Obama, for one. I’m not convinced McCain would be better than her because if no one’s mentioned it yet, this man has a horrific temper. He scares people, I’m serious. Yes, the Hill has a temper but McCain makes her look like a piker.
So...supreme court nominees? Well who’s going to be up to retire? Stevens? Ginsberg? Well these two are so liberal already that even if Hill should appoint liberals to replace, how is this worse? Conservative issues are squeaking through now. The Court might not get any better but I’d argue it won’t get worse. Oh, and don’t forget that the fine, even-tempered McCain said he thought Alito wore his conservatism on his sleeve. What the hell does that mean?
Social issues? What...I’ve not seen any amazing passion by McCain on the issue of abortion. Let’s not forget the man voted AGAINST tax cuts ..”for the rich”. He’s got Schwarz...Crist and a bunch of other libs in the tank for him and he’ll owe them. Any diff between the Hill and McCain on these matters is almost null.
Finally, IF Hill beats McCain, the pubbies in congress will have gotten a message. For I think the concept of conservatives across the fruited plains sitting this election out or voting for Micky Mouse will be widely known by the time McCain loses. thus the senators and reps will know the message. Conservatives in this country might not be a majority (although I think they are, far more than the lib media likes to present), we are a damn formidable group and on occasions, like the non-herding cats we are, we get it into our heads that we’ve had enough. A President Hillary would have to plow through that chastised Republican congress.
If conservatives swallow one more time and vote for this totally unpalatable John McCain, he of the fine even temper, this country will go liberal and will never go back.
John McCain and his so-called Republican enablers, helped by the libs who would rather have had the Hill but can live with McCain, will be emboldened as never before.
It’s my argument and I’m sticking to it.
These people can talk as much as they want to; but the conservative choice and vote has already been ripped from our hands.
I for two.
i understand your frustrations but it is not the RNC that chose these guys to run they did it themselves. it is the primary voters who whittle down the field. i can respect the argument that you dont believe McCain is conservative enough but i disregard “its the RNCs fault”.
that being said i for one cannot stay home the thought of either Bama or Hill getting in there is enough for me
i reiterate
McCain ACU lifetime rank 82 2006 65
Hill 9 and 12
Bama 8 and 8
http://www.ontheissues.org/John_McCain.htm
Well, I for one hope you enjoy the political wilderness. You'll be there for the rest of your life.
Four years? After those government give aways start coming in, the Dimms will be in power for a generation.
In 2004 I argued forcefully against the people who said Bush was not conservative enough to vote for.
But this year I’ve reached my limit.
Like you, I am nauseated by any analysis that addresses Hillary in anything but the least favorable light. But McCain has serious, serious deficits - I’m not only opposing him for the nomination because he might lose, I’m doing so also because he might win!
Your analysis is an interesting one. My fear is that this will all be academic and that a Democrat tide will sweep the nation in any event.
But the immediate and long-term effects will be worse if we are tricked into abandoning our principles. Forever after, we will not be taken seriously when we espouse them, because we gave them up so readily before. THAT’S one of the reasons for the MSM push to anoint McCain and to demonize and marginalize anyone who dares criticize him - they want US to in effect admit that abortion, judges, the border, taxes, giving rights to terrorists, etc. aren’t all that important, or better yet that we were wrong. This I will never do, because we’re not wrong, and our principles are better for the country.
What we need to do is work to get more conservatives elected to Congress. Even with Hillary as President a strong GOP congress would put a stop to any lunacy. Actually things functioned better when things are divided.
We know what happened when the GOP had total control. It proved to be a problem because too many in the Senate and House went their own way.
I agree. But with the Dimms in total control of Washington and the MSM, our voice will be silenced, completely.
I understand the concern. I just don’t see any decent solutions.
The rest of my life? Oh my!
BTW, Ford-Carter in 1976 led to the Reagan Revolution in 1980, in case that was before your time.
But under no circumstances will I vote for an open borders traitor. I’d rather live in the “wilderness” than become a Quisling.
Yeah....
...in retrospect....in that precious hindsight that makes us all so very smart...I consider Dubya to have been a bit of a disappointment.
Which is not to say that there weren’t times, even without hindsight, that I got exasperated with him. I thought Dubya signing that Campaign FR to be a cowardly and disappointing thing to do. The concensus was to let the Supreme Court decide it but a president, heh, vows to uphold the constitution and I asked myself what part of “congress shall make NO law to abridge freedom of speech” did Bush not understand?
Then there was the Harriet Miers thing and the immigration issue with Bush and now, again with the 20/20 vision of hindsight, I realize that Dubya disappointed conservatives as well.
I’d argue McCain is worse because Duby did put in tax cuts but you’re right. We kept giving Dubya rope and we kept justifying and now....
...well now we have McCain.
It’s very demoralizing.
I too am somewhat disappointed with Bush here and there, but supporting McCain takes it to a whole new level!
How did Bill Bennett change his position on life?
She was sure talking like it this week when she again referenced McCain's statement of many months back that he'd stay in Iraq 100 years if that's what it took. She said they had until January 20, 2009 and not a minute more.
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