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Jon Carroll { Semper Infidelis In Berkeley }
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 2/7/8 | Jon Carroll

Posted on 02/07/2008 8:20:29 AM PST by SmithL

Berkeley is really sorry. It turns out that it didn't want to pick a fight with the Marines. More precisely, it turns out that it didn't want to be seen as picking a fight with the Marines, because all the right-wing zanies in the blogo-radio-sphere will have something to rant about. And they need ammunition just now.

It's a bad season for the right wing. None of the candidates left standing adheres to the conservative orthodox line in every matter. The right-wingers are realizing that there are lots of Latinos who vote, and a nice anti-immigration rally will not play with them. Even those who are concerned with leaky borders are put off by the vitriolic rhetoric. Small-tent Republicanism doesn't really have a future.

Plus, there are a lot of evangelicals who think that poverty and environmentalism are appropriate issues for Christians to care about. They have a genuine desire and feel an obligation to help the least fortunate among us and to be good stewards of the earth.

Christians adhering to Christian doctrine; that's not what Karl Rove had in mind at all. Karl Rove was a "being rich is good for you and poor people lack virtue" Christian. It's a comforting gospel for the comfortable. Just shut your eyes and vote Republican.

And yet, it's not playing in Peoria. It had its chance, and oh, my, look where it got us. Have you checked out the president's proposed budget? Have you considered that maybe printing money will not get us out of this hole? They're printing money in Zimbabwe, and toilet paper costs $417 a roll. Instant karma is going to get you. Really, it is.

But I was writing about Berkeley, which is being silly. Not that "Berkeley" is a single entity - far, Lord knows,

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: berkeley; beserkeley; carrollpoofter; sorry; usmc
Note: Jon Carroll doesn't use headlines for his columns. "Semper Infidelis In Berkeley" is the link title from the SFGate homepage.
1 posted on 02/07/2008 8:20:31 AM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Was anyone able to make sense of this incoherent, poorly written article? I can’t even tell if it is a hit piece or not.


2 posted on 02/07/2008 8:24:18 AM PST by pnh102
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To: pnh102

San Francisco Values are laughing at Berkeley Values.


3 posted on 02/07/2008 8:26:10 AM PST by SmithL (My tagline dropped out)
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To: SmithL

We needed a warning statement after the title: GAG ALERT


4 posted on 02/07/2008 8:26:35 AM PST by RTO (What will you do without freedom?)
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To: SmithL
It is, in general, a city that is not buying into the dominant paradigm.

I don't think the word paradigm is in vogue anymore. This is a senseless, rambling, incoherent article that fails to make a point.

5 posted on 02/07/2008 8:27:17 AM PST by FoxInSocks
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To: FoxInSocks

Cannabis will cause that effect.


6 posted on 02/07/2008 8:32:34 AM PST by pennboricua
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To: SmithL

For those of you that missed the point, I’ll quote it....
“Protest is great, but I think everyone should be required to feed the meter.”


7 posted on 02/07/2008 8:32:55 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: SmithL

Communism will cause that effect! Forget the students at CAL. Berkeley is a city of Boomers from other parts of the country, most often New York, a city of wealthy lawyers, Jewish divorcees, New Age space cadets, Volvo, and now Pious driving community college instructors, Fidel worshippers, dying former Stalinists, still unrepentant, a few famous folks like Michael Chabon and Rita Moreno, who did I miss? A large Jewish population, dwindling black population.


8 posted on 02/07/2008 8:39:49 AM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: SmithL

If I were Gordon Lightfoot, I’d sue.


9 posted on 02/07/2008 8:41:02 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("There is no civility, only politics.")
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To: SmithL

Jon Carroll: another over-educated dope.


10 posted on 02/07/2008 8:41:56 AM PST by rusureitflies? (OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD! There, I said it. Prove me wrong.)
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To: pnh102

There is no sense to be made in this vitriolic tantrum being thrown by Jon Carroll. The only obvious take on this poorly written “expose”(?) is that he hates right wingers.


11 posted on 02/07/2008 8:47:53 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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To: rusureitflies?

He has to spell his name Jon so he can remember how to spell it-metro...


12 posted on 02/07/2008 8:49:42 AM PST by Edgerunner (At the heart of every absurdity, lies a liberal.)
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To: SmithL

No, but Berkeley must have received the letter that rich guy wrote them esentially saying he will shut them down if they continue with their idiotic behavior against the Marines.


13 posted on 02/07/2008 8:56:47 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: SmithL

Is this Jon Carroll creature Mark Morford’s bum-boy?


14 posted on 02/07/2008 8:58:19 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Subject: Fw: Berkley Will Feel The Pain

Subject: Berkley Will Feel The Pain

Read the letter to the mayor from a major corporate head.

Berkeley to Marine Corps: You’re Not Welcome

BERKELEY, Calif. Local officials in this liberal city say it’s time for
the U.S. Marines to move out. The City Council has voted to tell the Marines their downtown recruiting
station is not welcome and “if recruiters choose to stay, they do so as uninvited and unwelcome guests.”
The measure passed this week by a vote of 8-1.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327347,00.html

Contact the city council at Berkeley, CA via email:
clerk@ci.berkeley.ca.us

Now check this out, here is a letter a businessman wrote to the Mayor of
Berkeley. Is this a great country or what?

Dear Mayor Bates,

In that you and your city have chosen to gravely insult the brave men and
women, who have indeed bought you that right with their blood, I am informing you that my company
will no longer do business with any of our current suppliers located in the Berkeley,
California metro area.

In that my company is in international resort real estate development, and
do business with and am associated with, developers and investors worldwide, I am informing all of
my contacts, associates and patrons that we will no longer do any business of any sort with anyone
living in the Berkeley area.

In that we/MDG Resorts are currently building a state of the art mega-yacht
marina, all of the suppliers of Marina equipment, all owners of Yachts, all suppliers of Yacht
materials & supplies, all yacht brokers and all tangential yacht business purveyors will likewise be
informed that we will not do any business whatsoever with anyone from the Berkeley area.

Likewise all suppliers of building materials, both interior and exterior,
currently associated with any of our several resort developments (Brisamar 300+ villas and 200+ condos:
Porto Hussong, www.portohussong.com 500+ condos, 180 slip mega-yacht marina) both of which
I might add have international recognition by virtue of glowing reports in Robb Report, Wall
Street Journal, Yacht World, Forbes.

I will likewise inform all of our investors, most of whom are very wealthy
yacht owners, casino owners, high net worth international businessmen, of our decision to essentially
boycott all products and providers located in, or associated with in any way whatsoever, Berkeley,
Ca.

Trust me when I say that having been in the real estate development business for over 35 years, our
list of contacts and associates is long and very, very impressive. We, and I personally, are going to
recomend that they ALL along with us boycott your city, its purveyors, suppliers, and businesses and
CHARITIES of every kind.

You have every right to choose to take the obnoxious anti-military stance
you have taken, and as stated, that right was bought for you with the blood of better men than you.

I too have every right to do all that I can to insure that your city suffers consequences arising
from that obnoxious, sickening stance.

Cordially,

Brian G Dennard
Principal Director
Meridian Development Group, LLC
(619) 807-2444
www.mdgresorts.com
www.portohussong.com

Mike Burns
Director Business Development
Navy/Marine Corps Customer
BAE Systems, E&IS
25 Center St., Suite 201, Stafford, VA 22556
(540)659-8766 (w), (703)338-4194 (m)


15 posted on 02/07/2008 8:59:04 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: SmithL

“being rich is good for you and poor people lack virtue” -

Jon: You have to work really hard to be this much of a moronic schmuck. You know and understand nothing.


16 posted on 02/07/2008 9:07:21 AM PST by Zman (Liberals: denying reality since Day One.)
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To: SmithL

“It’s a bad season for the right wing. None of the candidates left standing adheres to the conservative orthodox line in every matter. The right-wingers are realizing that there are lots of Latinos who vote, and a nice anti-immigration rally will not play with them. Even those who are concerned with leaky borders are put off by the vitriolic rhetoric. Small-tent Republicanism doesn’t really have a future.”

I just love it when liberals tell conservatives who they are.

mrs


17 posted on 02/07/2008 10:18:12 AM PST by proudmilitarymrs (It's not immigration, it's an invasion!)
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To: All

18 posted on 02/07/2008 3:06:51 PM PST by Cindy
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To: SmithL

Yes, us right-wingers must be a dying breed if we can bring this shameful city and its “leaders” to a switcheroo ASAP with a few thousand angry emails, calls and economic boycotts.

Hey Jon Boy, reports of our premature demise are greatly exaggerated. Now go back to your little lily-white enclave and take a few hits.


19 posted on 02/07/2008 3:14:10 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat
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To: SmithL
A pity - it might have been a relatively coherent column if Jon hadn't stooped to pick up every anti-right cliche he found on the sidewalk on the way to the office. Once you get to it he's actually mocking Berkeley for picking the wrong fight with the wrong people.

The real difficulty in my view is that the city council has, through the granting of favoritism to Code Pink, actually instigated violence and confrontation. That's fine if the target is politically correct (the Nazis knew all about that) but not so good if someone actually ends up getting hurt - on either side. Liability lawyers don't recognize fellow travelers, and the deep pockets for this one are sitting in city hall.

It won't be forgotten. The antiwar types desperately wanted a Vietnam and instead are attempting to recreate the viciousness of the Vietnam-era antiwar movement without a single one of its redeeming qualities (if there were any, which is questionable). But it's a different world these days, and pushback won't be waiting a decade this time.

20 posted on 02/07/2008 3:32:59 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: pnh102; RTO; FoxInSocks; pennboricua; Revolting cat!; Emperor Palpatine; rusureitflies?; ...

The petition

We, the undersigned condemn the Berkeley City Council’s treasonous attack on US Marine Recruiters stationed in their city. We ask that Congress cut off funds from any and all municipal entity within the confines of the city of Berkeley, California, until such time as the city council withdraws it’s action.

The City Council has voted to tell the Marines their downtown recruiting station is not welcome and “if recruiters choose to stay, they do so as uninvited and unwelcome guests.”

The measure passed last week by a vote of 8-1.

The council also voted to explore enforcing a city anti-discrimination law, focusing on the military’s “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy.

In a separate item, the council voted, also 8-1, to give the Marxist protest group Code Pink a parking space in front of the recruiting office once a week for six months and a free sound permit for protesting once a week.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/cutoffberkeleynow

If you wish to, please share with your friends or e-mail to your address books. If I already pinged you, consider that I have both CRS and Oldtimer’s disease...


21 posted on 02/08/2008 11:37:39 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Second To None!)
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To: SmithL

Boy, if all these words rambled around in his head like they spilled out on paper, I’d say it sucks to be him. I think he’s schizophrenic.


22 posted on 02/09/2008 12:08:36 AM PST by abigailsmybaby (I was born with nothing. So far I have most of it left.)
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