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The world's first time machine? (experiment in 3 months)
Evening Standard ^ | 02/07/08

Posted on 02/08/2008 4:24:59 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster

The world's first time machine? Tunnel to the past could open door to future within three months, say Russians

Last updated at 14:07?? on 07.02.08

Time travel could be a reality within just three months, Russian mathematicians have claimed.

They believe an experiment nuclear scientists plan to carry out in underground tunnels in Geneva in May could create a rift in the fabric of the universe.

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Life imitating art? Actors Michael J. Fox and Christopher Lloyd in the movie Back to the Future. Scientists say that time travel could be a reality in just three months

The European Organisation for Nuclear Research (CERN) hopes its "atom-smashing" tests - which aim to recreate the conditions in the first billionth of a second after the "Big Bang'" created everything - will shed invaluable light on the origins of the universe.

But Irina Aref'eva and Igor Volovich, of Moscow's Steklov Mathematical Institute, say the energy produced by forcing tiny particles to collide at close to the speed of light could open the door to visitors from the future.

According to Einstein's general theory of relativity, any large amounts of matter or energy will distort the space and time that surrounds it.

If the energy or mass is large enough, it is claimed that time can be distorted so much that it folds back on itself - creating a wormhole, or time tunnel, between the present and the future.

But Dr Brian Cox, a member of CERN and one of Britain's leading experts in particle physics, is highly sceptical about the Russian claims, calling them "nothing more than a good science fiction story".

Wormhole: Scientists plan to carry out tests in underground tunnels in Geneva in May which could create a rift in the fabric of the universe

He said: "Cosmic ray collisions in the upper atmosphere are far more energetic than anything we can produce.

"They have been occurring for five billion years, and no time travellers have appeared.

"Stephen Hawking has suggested that any future theory of quantum gravity will probably close this possibility off, not least because the universe usually proceeds in a sane way, and time travel into the past isn't sane."

Cynics often point out that if time travel was really possible, we would have been visited by people from the future.

However, Einstein's laws of physics suggest that time travel is only possible into the past as far as the point when the first time machine was invented.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: timemachine; timetunnel
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1 posted on 02/08/2008 4:25:04 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The world’s first time machine?

Can we go back and help Fred !


2 posted on 02/08/2008 4:27:15 AM PST by IrishMike (I am not a Republican first. I am a conservative.)
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To: IrishMike
Can we go back and help Fred !

I guess sending a Terminator back for McCain would be viewed as unkind?

4 posted on 02/08/2008 4:30:31 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: TigerLikesRooster
However, Einstein's laws of physics suggest that time travel is only possible into the past as far as the point when the first time machine was invented.

That's Joe Einstein, science fiction writer.

5 posted on 02/08/2008 4:31:40 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

6 posted on 02/08/2008 4:32:32 AM PST by Bratch (ďThe only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.Ē --- Edmund Burke)
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To: IrishMike
Can we go back and help Fred !

Nothing will help Fred.

7 posted on 02/08/2008 4:34:46 AM PST by airborne (I'm leaving the Republican Party! They do not represent me or my values!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

This was already posted tomorrow.


8 posted on 02/08/2008 4:37:03 AM PST by Former War Criminal
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Riiiiight.


9 posted on 02/08/2008 4:39:32 AM PST by A2J (Love Jesus...hate "church.")
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To: Former War Criminal

LOL!


10 posted on 02/08/2008 4:40:18 AM PST by A2J (Love Jesus...hate "church.")
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To: TigerLikesRooster

3 months from now it will be the future!


11 posted on 02/08/2008 4:43:13 AM PST by VanDeKoik (George Washington 2008)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

“When this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you’re going to see some serious sh#t.”


12 posted on 02/08/2008 4:43:36 AM PST by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; All

I’ll tell you fine people how to acquire time travel technology right now with what I call ‘perpetual processing’ (no kidding):

First, we begin with what one could call “perpetual funding”, a funding action from the Congress that once signed into law cannot be revoked, modified or diverted in any way from it’s original purpose and will be automatically renewed and continued forever, for as long as there exists a United States Government. (that ought to be a lead pipe cinch for ANY Congress, lol)

Now after setting up the perpetual funding, the funds are allocated to the construction of an absolutely secure facility (think ‘Super-Cheyenne-Mountain’) which based upon it’s location and construction, is more than likely to survive at least as long as the pyramids of Egypt.

Inside those secure facilities will be the most advanced and reliable computer systems known to our technology, they will run 24 hours a day, with continuous backups and parallel systems which will insure that at no time, can there be a system crash without an immediate recovery via any number of redundant systems. As technology advances, additional systems are brought online, and older systems are retired, with the sole exception being what I call ‘System Zero’, i.e., the first system to go online when the facility is completed and activated.

Inside System Zero are encrypted instructions which cannot be altered, and the ‘prime directive’ so to speak, which will be passed down from generation to generation for as long as it takes, is simple:

When an effective and practical time travel methodology is developed and proven reliable, the next instruction is to transmit that information all the way back to System Zero, and provide that technology to the original crew that turns the key to begin the whole ‘perpetual processing’ cycle.

If the survival of the funding, the facility and the systems can be assured, the technology for time travel should show up within about 60 seconds or less after initializing ‘System Zero’.

Enjoy your weekend!

MKJ ;)


13 posted on 02/08/2008 4:43:37 AM PST by mkjessup (Any SOB who calls John F'in Kerry "his dear friend" will NEVER get my vote, no way, no how.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Can I go back and not marry my ex?


14 posted on 02/08/2008 4:44:54 AM PST by umgud
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I’ve always said that when time traveling, don’t go too far back into the past. You don’t want to check out the caveman days and suddenly have the batteries go dead.......


15 posted on 02/08/2008 4:49:04 AM PST by Hot Tabasco ( Donít go messing with Smokey Taylor. He just bought a whole bunch of fresh ammo.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

It will be good to see CERN up and running. We need some new physics discoveries to keep technological development progressing.


16 posted on 02/08/2008 4:50:56 AM PST by JustDoItAlways
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I think its already been done, they went into the future saw it was bad to make this technology possible to eveyone and are right now removing all information to achieve it so it will never happen.

This will be old and forgotten in a week or two.


17 posted on 02/08/2008 4:52:46 AM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: mkjessup
will be the most advanced and reliable computer systems known

Will this be a Windows operating system?

18 posted on 02/08/2008 4:53:34 AM PST by Hot Tabasco ( Donít go messing with Smokey Taylor. He just bought a whole bunch of fresh ammo.)
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To: Eye of Unk

What will be old and forgotten?


19 posted on 02/08/2008 4:53:54 AM PST by mkjessup (Any SOB who calls John F'in Kerry "his dear friend" will NEVER get my vote, no way, no how.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
will be the most advanced and reliable computer systems known
Will this be a Windows operating system?


I said 'perpetual processing' not 'perpetual blue screens', lol
20 posted on 02/08/2008 4:55:02 AM PST by mkjessup (Any SOB who calls John F'in Kerry "his dear friend" will NEVER get my vote, no way, no how.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Just don’t kick the baby dinosaurs.


21 posted on 02/08/2008 4:56:46 AM PST by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: mkjessup

Oh! To be able to go back in time and buy IBM for $1.00 per share!


22 posted on 02/08/2008 4:56:57 AM PST by jslade (People who are easily offended......OFFEND ME!)
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To: IrishMike
Flintstone?

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

23 posted on 02/08/2008 4:57:57 AM PST by expatguy ("An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - New & Improved - Now with Search)
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To: JustDoItAlways
"It will be good to see CERN up and running. We need some new physics discoveries to keep technological development grants progressing."

Fixed! Oh, and time travel into the future has always been possible and occurs routinely. It's traveling into the past that's a problem.

24 posted on 02/08/2008 4:58:39 AM PST by Ignatz ( RENT THIS SPACE)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
Skynet goes online on April 19, 2011. It becomes self aware on April 21, Judgment Day. At least in this time line.
25 posted on 02/08/2008 4:58:57 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Foolishness. Time travel is impossible.


26 posted on 02/08/2008 4:59:37 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: TigerLikesRooster
This guy has been doing it much longer already:
27 posted on 02/08/2008 5:02:33 AM PST by southlake_hoosier (.... One Nation, Under God.......)
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To: jslade

I thought Berkshire would be better.


28 posted on 02/08/2008 5:02:38 AM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: TigerLikesRooster

29 posted on 02/08/2008 5:03:33 AM PST by JRios1968 (We can debate the GOP candidates' merits NOW...but, come November, I WILL vote for the GOP nominee)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Wow. That comment was pulled right off the page of DU.


30 posted on 02/08/2008 5:05:48 AM PST by Hoodlum91 (I support global warming.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

This is a little game the scientists play to garner more funding from government.

They will no doubt do the experiment, and make the grandiose claim that they succeeded in causing a particle to travel backward in time. But no one will be able to explain how it happened, or how they know they succeeded.


31 posted on 02/08/2008 5:06:43 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Hoodlum91
Yeah, I admit that I was pushing the envelope.:-)
32 posted on 02/08/2008 5:08:04 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: umgud
Can I go back and not marry my ex?

No, but I can go back and slap you before you do.
33 posted on 02/08/2008 5:08:37 AM PST by Krankor (kROGER)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

34 posted on 02/08/2008 5:11:22 AM PST by Muleteam1 (To all Dems I say, bring on the broken glass.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
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35 posted on 02/08/2008 5:15:52 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

36 posted on 02/08/2008 5:16:23 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Hoodlum91

I thought McCain was pulled right off the pages of DU!


37 posted on 02/08/2008 5:16:49 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"If my calculations are correct when this sucker reaches 88 mph, you’re going to see some serious sh!t!"
38 posted on 02/08/2008 5:22:47 AM PST by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"Cynics often point out that if time travel was really possible, we would have been visited by people from the future."

How do they know we haven't?......


39 posted on 02/08/2008 5:28:04 AM PST by FishTale
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

There is no likelihood that man can ever tap the power of the atom. The glib supposition of utilizing atomic energy when our coal has run out is a completely unscientific Utopian dream, a childish bug-a-boo.
Robert Millikan - 1928

I think there is a world market for maybe five computers.
Thomas J. Watson, Chairman of IBM - 1943

This is the biggest fool thing we’ve ever done- the bomb will never go off- and I speak as an expert on explosives.
Admiral William Leahy - 1945

Television won’t last because people will soon get tired of staring at a plywood box every night.
Darryl Zanuck - 1946

Foolishness. Time travel is impossible
Unimaginative Anonymous Freeper - 2008


40 posted on 02/08/2008 5:39:03 AM PST by mkjessup (Any SOB who calls John F'in Kerry "his dear friend" will NEVER get my vote, no way, no how.)
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To: IrishMike

Just think, we can go back and stop the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre.


41 posted on 02/08/2008 5:42:00 AM PST by JEC ((Pray for ALL our troops))
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

LOL - perfect!


42 posted on 02/08/2008 5:43:29 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (President Hillary Clinton. Get used to saying it.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

43 posted on 02/08/2008 5:45:37 AM PST by poindexter
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To: Former War Criminal

,,,and deleted yesterday by the poeople who posted it tomorrow.


44 posted on 02/08/2008 5:45:48 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I keep seeing this same story on FR again, and again, and again. It gets posted tomorrow and I delete it yesterday and it keeps coming back around tomorrow.


45 posted on 02/08/2008 5:47:11 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: TigerLikesRooster

So how did it work?


46 posted on 02/08/2008 5:48:02 AM PST by Plexi
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To: mkjessup
First, we begin with what one could call “perpetual funding”, a funding action from the Congress that once signed into law cannot be revoked, modified or diverted in any way from it’s original purpose and will be automatically renewed and continued forever, for as long as there exists a United States Government.

Oh, Time Machines are like Welfare programs?......Yeah, you do the same thing over and over and over again until you go nuts.......

47 posted on 02/08/2008 5:48:53 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

If there’s a time machine that could travel to the past, and it’s supposed to be tested three months from now, wouldn’t we have heard about it already? Or would folks have stopped their work if they thought it had already been done, and there fore it would never have happened in the second place because they saw it in the first place?

Stop me before I paradox again.


48 posted on 02/08/2008 5:49:05 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Can I be first?


49 posted on 02/08/2008 5:49:14 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: jslade

I’d do something a bit more important than that...


50 posted on 02/08/2008 5:50:24 AM PST by OKSooner
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