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If you think McCain won’t be better than either one, you’re wrong
The Collins Report ^ | Feb7, 2008 | John F. Allen

Posted on 02/08/2008 5:01:34 AM PST by jmaroneps37

…..I do not like John McCain.

I like socialist women and the most liberal senator in America less, far less. Our party’s primaries have been hijacked by casual voters, liberals, moderates and even Democrats.

Our Evangelical friends have to shoulder much of the blame for giving us McCain. They have unfairly called Mormonism a cult and now all of us will suffer the consequences …I’m damned mad about this, but I can’t do anything about it. [ McCain] will be elected. America will not select either Democrat over him. Many Hillary hating Democrats will vote for McCain.

..the conservative radio talkers did all they could. They are now the de facto leaders of the conservative movement. …accept facts. Some of them insist McCain can’t win. I very much disagree.

Each conservative has to make a personal decision. We can swing wild in blind anger or carefully think things through. If you are old enough to vote, you are old enough to have been disappointed or you really haven’t lived much of a life. We don’t always get our way. If we jump wrong now, out of anger and frustration, we will insure …putting America, no our own families in danger. The danger of picking wrong at this point is history can not be over stated. …grievances against John McCain are [not] unimportant. They are very important. [but]we seem to be losing the fact that vicious Islamist terrorists want to kill us and will kill us and our children if we have the wrong Commander in Chief. ..a willingness to put aside the importance ..war against terror and make believe a Hillary Clinton or a Barack Obama would keep us safe from further attack is where I step off of the anti- McCain bandwagon. These three people are simply not interchangeable.

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Our best move at this point seems to be working for a conservative congress to keep mckennedy's feet to the fire.
1 posted on 02/08/2008 5:01:37 AM PST by jmaroneps37
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To: jmaroneps37

No.


2 posted on 02/08/2008 5:04:04 AM PST by TADSLOS (Estoy Juan McCain y apruebo este mensaje!)
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To: jmaroneps37

I like to think big picture, like an adult. The scenario is having Hilary or Obama make Jimmy Carter look like Abe Lincoln. Then in 4 years we can elect anyone we choose. If we can live for 4 years by not having Al Queda detonate a nuke in a major city it may work. Short term thinking is the “McCain is our only hope” thinking.


3 posted on 02/08/2008 5:05:34 AM PST by NotchJohnson
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To: jmaroneps37

I hate this election year!


4 posted on 02/08/2008 5:05:35 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: jmaroneps37

I agree 1000% Local work to get CONSERVATIVE reps is (as usual, I guess) very important.


5 posted on 02/08/2008 5:06:03 AM PST by GoDuke
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To: jmaroneps37
Our best move at this point seems to be working for a conservative congress to keep mckennedy's feet to the fire.

A wise post. We as conservatives can put zero pressure on Hillary or Obama, but we can exert some influence on McCain.

6 posted on 02/08/2008 5:06:32 AM PST by ottbmare
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To: jmaroneps37

Avery good assessment of where we are, not where we wished we were.


7 posted on 02/08/2008 5:06:53 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: jmaroneps37

Don’t care anymore. Vote for whoever. This race has gotten boring and predictable. The only thing that needs to happen to finish my prediction is for Hillary to swear in. In fact, why wait until November, just do it now. What in the world is wrong in America?


8 posted on 02/08/2008 5:07:42 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: jmaroneps37

We get this same argument 10 times a day now. 180 some days till the election X 10 = 1800 more times to listen to it. I could hear it 180,000 more times and the answer is still no, I won’t vote for him.


9 posted on 02/08/2008 5:07:48 AM PST by DManA
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To: jmaroneps37

Its not that he won’t be “better” its what the GOP is asking us to conceed that is troubling.


10 posted on 02/08/2008 5:08:09 AM PST by Archon of the East (Universal Executive Power of the Law of Nature)
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To: jmaroneps37
Yes. Bush would have signed McCain/Kennedy, hell he pushed for it and he has been a pretty good overall President. If Ginsberg leaves and a moderate to conservative judge replaces her we have the makings of overturning Roe vs. Wade and McCain/Feingold.

Cut spending, better judges, same on taxes, loves the military.

Obama/Hillary: raised taxes, raised spending, hate military, Ginsberg replaced with younger Ginsberg clone and we still get amnesty because we could really lose in Congress if too many people stay home.

McCain will win because once Conservatives cool down and consider the alternatives, McCain looks good.

11 posted on 02/08/2008 5:09:08 AM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: jmaroneps37

Call me cynical. I believe that when all the counts are final, and all the analyses are completed, we will find that conservatives by the millions sat home and did not vote in the primaries through Super Tuesday. The other half of the Republican Party was denied a chance to even select a candidate. Think about that.


12 posted on 02/08/2008 5:09:22 AM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: jmaroneps37

Oh look another “Get in line and tow the party line” post. Sorry. This troop is going off the reservation. McCain can KISS MY HAIRY WHITE @$$. Actions speak louder than words and McCain’s actions speak volumes about how liberal he is.


13 posted on 02/08/2008 5:09:42 AM PST by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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To: GoDuke
Not going to happen. The party is broken. Dems got out 4 to one voters over Reps on Super Tuesday. Reps en mass are sitting this one out.
14 posted on 02/08/2008 5:11:05 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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To: normy
McCain will win because once Conservatives cool down and consider the alternatives, McCain looks good.

McCain will NEVER look good to most conservatives. The whole idea that we must follow the R's just because a D is worse is ridiculous. I am willing to have four years of Hill or Obama. Let the dims have the power they have been yelling about for 8 years. We had the power and what happened? Not a thing changed. Time to send a clear message to the GOP.

15 posted on 02/08/2008 5:14:15 AM PST by txlurker
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To: NotchJohnson
I like to think big picture, like an adult. The scenario is having Hilary or Obama make Jimmy Carter look like Abe Lincoln. Then in 4 years we can elect anyone we choose. If we can live for 4 years by not having Al Queda detonate a nuke in a major city it may work. Short term thinking is the “McCain is our only hope” thinking.

That's what I told myself in 1992... 4 years, then they'll all see they should have listened to us, then surely we can take back the White House... Of course it didn't work that way. Four years turned into 8 years and almost 12 years had Gore succeeded in suing his way into the White House. Personally I think plenty of damage was done in those 8 years of Clinton. We may not have as much influence with McCain as we'd like... we have no influence over Billary Obama especially if we demonstrate defeat.

16 posted on 02/08/2008 5:14:35 AM PST by rhombus
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To: SouthernBoyupNorth
McCain can KISS MY HAIRY WHITE @$$.

Ditto.

17 posted on 02/08/2008 5:14:41 AM PST by HerrBlucher
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To: NotchJohnson
"If we can live for 4 years by not having Al Queda detonate a nuke in a major city it may work."

There are only several explanations for the fact that we haven't been hit again, at least in the manner of the 911 attacks. If you believe the reason is that they saw the response from Bush is part of it and they want no more of that, there's the notion that a Dem President will be tested.

What would be the Obamama response to an attack of a 911 scale? My gut says we may find out.

18 posted on 02/08/2008 5:15:21 AM PST by n230099 ("If you don't blame the camera for porn, then don't blame the gun for shootings". (Unknown))
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To: DManA

We get this same argument 10 times a day now. 180 some days till the election X 10 = 1800 more times to listen to it. I could hear it 180,000 more times and the answer is still no, I won’t vote for him.


Great analysis....I concur.

One thing McCain will do is sort out the real conservatives from the fake ones. The fake ones will justify anything to vote for McCain....totally ignoring his liberal record.

The GOP needs more of campaign platform than “we cant let Hillary/Obama win”. Its a sure loser...and shows the GOP candidate is very weak. You cant campaign on McCain’s record.

In the long run, it will do us more good to watch McCain become a 50-state loser in 2008. It will usher the return of conservatism to the GOP


19 posted on 02/08/2008 5:16:32 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (A Vote For McCain Is A Vote For Hillary/Obama)
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To: normy

“McCain will win because once Conservatives cool down and consider the alternatives, McCain looks good.”

Even if we do cool down and vote for McCain, and that’s a big if at this point, Republican’s will remain uninspired by this guy. The grassroots of the Republican Party are conservatives and that’s a fact. I don’t believe you will see people working for McCain like they worked for Bush. Perhaps the moderate-liberal wing of the party will organize but it takes a long time. We’ll see.

Democrats are out for blood no matter who their nominee is. They turned out 25 million so far in this primary season, we’ve turned out 12.5 million. This is telling.


20 posted on 02/08/2008 5:18:14 AM PST by Minn. 4 Bush
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To: jmaroneps37
Our party’s primaries have been hijacked by casual voters, liberals, moderates and even Democrats..Our Evangelical friends have to shoulder much of the blame..the conservative radio talkers..

Don't forget to blame the "losertarians", the "Hucklebees", the "FredHeads", the "Bushbots", and the marble carrying conservatives....anyone will do. Don't represent your constituency. Blame them!!

When all elected, and campaigning Republicans are identified RINOs, the word ceases to have any meaning. They are not RINOs, they are simply Republicans.

21 posted on 02/08/2008 5:20:43 AM PST by laotzu
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To: jmaroneps37

I am already growing tired of these articles where party hacks lecture us like unruly children. I will not support an enemy of the United States Constitution just because there is some even worse enemy elsewhere. We should oppose all enemies, foreign and domestic.


22 posted on 02/08/2008 5:22:17 AM PST by Sloth (I feel real bad for deaf people, cause they have no way of knowing when microwave popcorn is done.)
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To: jmaroneps37
"Many Hillary hating Democrats will vote for McCain. "

true. but they'll be feweer in number than the anti McCain conservatives and real republicans taht'll stay home. The dems will put any loser/criminal/pervert/pimp/drug addict/ back in office. Clinton, Marion Barry, Barney Frank, Alcee Hastings,

23 posted on 02/08/2008 5:23:06 AM PST by wny
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To: NotchJohnson
“I like to think big picture, like an adult. The scenario is having Hilary or Obama make Jimmy Carter look like Abe Lincoln. Then in 4 years we can elect anyone we choose. If we can live for 4 years by not having Al Queda detonate a nuke in a major city it may work.”

If Hillary gets in she will not be a one-termer. It just won’t happen.

24 posted on 02/08/2008 5:25:35 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

You are correct!

BTW - great tagline!


25 posted on 02/08/2008 5:25:39 AM PST by GOPRaleigh ("John McCain is Bob Dole minus the charm, conservatism and youth.” -Ann Coulter)
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To: rhombus
That's what I told myself in 1992... 4 years, then they'll all see they should have listened to us, then surely we can take back the White House... Of course it didn't work that way.

There was a big shift in Congress in 1994, though... and Clinton didn't really govern as a hardcore liberal. He was more interested in soaking up admiration and chasing tail than in pushing a leftist agenda.

26 posted on 02/08/2008 5:27:01 AM PST by Sloth (I feel real bad for deaf people, cause they have no way of knowing when microwave popcorn is done.)
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To: laotzu
When all elected, and campaigning Republicans are identified RINOs, the word ceases to have any meaning. They are not RINOs, they are simply Republicans.

Well said! Now, here in Texas, Hoa Tran (the female Oriental medicine woman, i.e. witch doctor) is still on the primary ballot. So, we still have a place to go that isn't McCain, hehehehehe

27 posted on 02/08/2008 5:27:07 AM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

And I’ve heard the same argument every single presedential election I’ve ever voted in except the two where Reagan was the candidate. Worked every time till now.


28 posted on 02/08/2008 5:27:12 AM PST by DManA
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To: jmaroneps37
To me it’s not that he will be worse than either Democrat, he won’t. Despite him being an obstacle that the Republicans always had to deal with within the party, there is still some clear differences in the voting records between McCain and Hillary and Obama. Right to Life being one. However is is not popular with the conservative base and I don’t think that is going to change much in 9 months. We have to look back at how razor thin close the last two elections were when we had a “popular” George Bush running. Does anyone think the GOP has a chance nominating a candidate that is much less popular than Bush was? You want a sign of how the GOP is not impressed with McCain. Following the Bush speech at CPAC yesterday the crowd was chanting "4 more years, 4 more years."
29 posted on 02/08/2008 5:27:42 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: jmaroneps37

I voted for Bush but my vote did not elect him. Bush got elected because he was liked by voters and disliked by the MSM and Washington insiders. McCain will not get elected with or without my vote because the opposite is true. McCain is too too arrogant to be liked by the average voter and he is absolutely loved by the MSM and Washington insiders. Forget the stupid political comparisons. Bush carried swing voters because he was more likeable that an arrogant Washington insider Senator named John Kerry. McCain has no chance against Obama. Obama is just more likeable than McCain to voters who really matter the ones in the middle who decide elections. Obama is running as an outsider which he is not and he is not even mentioning ideology. Obama is the recepient of a lotta of MSM love, but besides that he comes off as a likeable guy. There is more reason to be scared of Obama than McCain because he is so inexperienced and naaive. But in the long run he will beat McCain for the same reason Bush beat Kerry, and that is, he is more likeable.


30 posted on 02/08/2008 5:28:15 AM PST by Biblebelter (I will NEVER EVER vote for McCain or any other current Senator.)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
That's what happened after Goldwater was abandoned by the "moderates". The, "at least he's better than Johnson" argument didn't work on them then.

In the long run, it will do us more good to watch McCain become a 50-state loser in 2008. It will usher the return of conservatism to the GOP

31 posted on 02/08/2008 5:30:34 AM PST by DManA
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For all the “venters” on this thread:

Lifetime ACU ratings:

McCain %82.3

Clinton %9

Obama %8

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/mccains_acu_ratings.html


32 posted on 02/08/2008 5:30:58 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (Game over man...GAME OVER!)
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To: napscoordinator
What in the world is wrong in America?

Isaiah 3:12 As for My people, children are their oppressors, And women rule over them. O My people! Those who lead you cause you to err, And destroy the way of your paths.”

33 posted on 02/08/2008 5:31:06 AM PST by DungeonMaster (WELL I SPEAK LOUD, AND I CARRY A BIGGER STICK, AND I USE IT TOO!)
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To: jmaroneps37
Our party’s primaries have been hijacked by casual voters, liberals, moderates and even Democrats.

I agree, although I would point out that I went behind enemy lines and voted in the Demon primary. I'm still washing my hands.

34 posted on 02/08/2008 5:31:30 AM PST by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: txlurker
Not a thing changed? Do you think we would be in the same boat after 9-11 economically, judicially and militarily if Gore had won in 2000 or Kerry in 2004?

The dims do have power in Congress and the only thing that stopped them from surrendering in Iraq where we were winning was GWB.

This outrage and claim that McCain is as bad as Hillary is just not true.

35 posted on 02/08/2008 5:31:41 AM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: NotchJohnson

In the next four years there will be 2-3 new judges, speaking of long term.


36 posted on 02/08/2008 5:32:38 AM PST by prov1813man (While the one you despise and ridicule works to protect you, those you embrace work to destroy you)
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To: jmaroneps37
I can't see McCain winning. McCain will melt down in the debates with either Clinton or Obamanation. The press will turn on him now. Even if he holds on through debates, those who hate Clinton will more likely vote for Obamanation not McCain. Many Repubs who can't stand McCain and won't vote for him will be allowing a dim to win.

Even if he does happen to win the Presidency, I keep hearing we can put pressure on McCain.....I don't see him giving in to pressure, he's arrogant and too proud of being the maverick.

37 posted on 02/08/2008 5:32:55 AM PST by YellowRoseofTx
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To: jmaroneps37
If you think McCain won’t be better than either one,

What will it matter after McAmnesty and 40+++ and then some more + million new Democrats added to the electorate?

38 posted on 02/08/2008 5:33:22 AM PST by arthurus
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To: TADSLOS
Here's what I have concluded the past couple of days: when it comes down to it, our servicemen and women stand between us and the Darkness....Hillary and Obama have little appreciation for that fact...nor do their supporters, and that's an important part...

Much as I detest McCain's positions on certain important issues, McCain to a significantly greater degree will support our military, as will most of us who vote for him.

39 posted on 02/08/2008 5:33:44 AM PST by Molly Pitcher (We are Americans...the sons and daughters of liberty...*.from FReeper the Real fifi*))
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To: Minn. 4 Bush
I understand but destroying our own candidate is just stupid especially when the alternative is really really bad.

Our only chance will be that the alternative to the moderate and independent is a closet Muslim whose middle name is Hussein and an wicked spiteful woman and he equally wicked and spiteful husband.

40 posted on 02/08/2008 5:34:19 AM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: normy
This outrage and claim that McCain is as bad as Hillary is just not true.

Sorry but it is true to me. I only have one vote and I will not waste it on McCain.

41 posted on 02/08/2008 5:34:33 AM PST by txlurker
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To: jmaroneps37

I listed to his speach at CPAC yesterday and all he did was throw red meat to the crowd. He told them exactly what they wanted to hear.
Mt guess is that he had to rince out his mouth after the speach.

just mt thoughts.


42 posted on 02/08/2008 5:34:53 AM PST by abseaman (The future is just your imagination reincarnaterd.)
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To: jmaroneps37

I’ll vote for my local officials. I will not put McCain in office (not that he could win anyway).


43 posted on 02/08/2008 5:35:39 AM PST by Neverforget01
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To: mad_as_he$$
" ... The party is broken ..."


That is the point many do not seem to comprehend.


From the "broken" primary fiasco, to the inability to project attractive candidates, to their less than stellar performance after 1995.


The Republican Party is broken, and no amount of conceding to "the lesser of evils" is going to fix it.

44 posted on 02/08/2008 5:37:02 AM PST by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of out-thinking our adversaries?)
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To: txlurker
But waste it you will if you bother to vote.

Hey amnesty is coming no matter what. It would have come anyway if we hadn't stood up to our Congressmen. I may start pressuring my congressmen to at least press for our rights in Mexico as well.

By the way, if you support Huckabee you only have to go back to the first debate in the primaries to find him saying that racism is driving much of the illegal immigration debate.

45 posted on 02/08/2008 5:38:02 AM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: TADSLOS
This is the traitor John McCain chose to be his "Hispanic Outreach Director." Hernandez is a verified traitor. Born in Dallas he decided as an adult to become a dual-national Mexican citizen. His last job was serving as Mexican President Vicente Fox's "American Reconquista Director."

Hernandez believes all Mexicans and Mexican-Americans in the USA should become dual citizens and consider themselves Mexicans first, "to the 8th generation."

The "New American Pioneers" proclaimed in his book are the illegal alien invaders he urges to become settlers in the USA.

And this is the man McCain chose for his "Hispanic Outreach Director." In the past week he was asked about this choice, and he said he chose Hernandez because he agrees with his positions.

Yet out of the other side of his mouth he says "He has heard us" and he will "Secure the border first."

Juan Shamnesty McCain is precisely a treacherous liar.

46 posted on 02/08/2008 5:38:33 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Sloth
There was a big shift in Congress in 1994, though... and Clinton didn't really govern as a hardcore liberal. He was more interested in soaking up admiration and chasing tail than in pushing a leftist agenda.

So we shouldn't work to take back Congress so we can set up the perfect situation for the next "real conservative leader" to take us to the promised land? I don't think so. We should just accept the fact that we couldn't agree on a consensus Conservative and got McCain for our efforts AND we should work to elect conservatives to Congress. This would drive McCain to the right. If McCain does succeed in his strategy to be elected by moderates, independents and democrats... he will need a more conservative Congress than we have now to drive him to the right (as Clinton did in 94). We should have been working on this all along.

47 posted on 02/08/2008 5:40:55 AM PST by rhombus
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To: TexasRedeye
in Texas, Hoa Tran (the female Oriental medicine woman, i.e. witch doctor) is still on the primary ballot

Tell me more. Is she cute? Drive a classic car? Any reason will do.

48 posted on 02/08/2008 5:41:19 AM PST by laotzu
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To: All

McCain or Hillary or Obama.

All 3 will lead us lock step into “Green” socialism.

Islam?
Pfft.
They will have to take a ticket and get in line. Maybe if they harm the enviornment in the process they will garner attention.


49 posted on 02/08/2008 5:41:22 AM PST by CygnusXI (Where's that dang Meteor already?)
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To: jmaroneps37

McCain will never win. The MSM will constantly bring up his age and temper. They will contantly talk about his voting against conservative principles. They will show pictures of either a young, slim, smiling, black man or a younger looking botoxed, smiling, white women in slimming skirts (yes, I predict if she wins the nomination she will start wearing skirts) next to a pale, scowling, old man with that flap hanging from his chin. It may seem shallow but looks will influence people and the MSM will be more that happy to show America the difference.


50 posted on 02/08/2008 5:41:32 AM PST by saberpride ("If it weren't for the last minute, nothing would get done... "Anon.)
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