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Noonan: Can Mrs. Clinton Lose?
WSJ.com ^ | 2-08-08 | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 02/08/2008 6:03:55 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

If Hillary Clinton loses, does she know how to lose? What will that be, if she loses? Will she just say, "I concede" and go on vacation at a friend's house on an island, and then go back to the Senate and wait?

Is it possible she could be so normal?

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KEYWORDS: clinton; hillary; noonan
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1 posted on 02/08/2008 6:03:59 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

She’s got Obama fever..


2 posted on 02/08/2008 6:04:53 AM PST by Blue Turtle
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
Will she just say, "I concede" and go on vacation

Sure, just like she and Bubba's classy exit from the WH 8 years ago.

3 posted on 02/08/2008 6:06:21 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

I rather hope she won’t lose graciously, and tears the Democrats apart... :)


4 posted on 02/08/2008 6:08:17 AM PST by GreenLanternCorps (Vote Republican in 2008 or President Hillary Clinton will be reading your FBI file!!!)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

As if being a US Senator-for-life is a tough deal.


5 posted on 02/08/2008 6:09:58 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast; Blue Turtle

I don’t know what planet she’s writing from these days, but Obama is far from bullet-proof. He’s a product of the Chicago machine, and I think we all know what that means.


6 posted on 02/08/2008 6:10:15 AM PST by DesertDreamer ("I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
If she loses I suggest this.
7 posted on 02/08/2008 6:11:55 AM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

This actually strikes me as one of her better recent columns, but still she has a hard time getting to the point and making it. Like she’s trying to out-Buckley Buckley, who even now has superior penmanship.

And horrors! She may genuinely believe Obama has a better chance than Hillary (of winning in Nov.)


8 posted on 02/08/2008 6:13:27 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( There is still time........brother.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
This piece by Noonan really got me excited. Especially her comparison of Hillary to Rasputin and Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction. The short answer to the question of “Can Clinton lose with grace?” is of course no. Hillary would pluck your eye out and tell you that you look better without it. Half the country despises her, half her party won’t vote for her and we’d all be better off if she would just go away. I already have several bottles of Champagne on ice and when she concedes, I will jump in my truck, drive around honking my horn and throw the empty bottles out the window!
9 posted on 02/08/2008 6:14:42 AM PST by quinhon6869
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To: Travis McGee
As if being a US Senator-for-life is a tough deal.

She has shown zero interest in the Senate during her 7 years there.

I expect her to be the nominee (Paging Obama secret service detail to the white courtesy phone), but if she isn't, I don't expect her to stay in the Senate.

10 posted on 02/08/2008 6:15:27 AM PST by Jim Noble (Look out kid, they keep it all hid)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
She may genuinely believe Obama has a better chance than Hillary (of winning in Nov.)

If it weren't for the Clinton Machine, I'd agree with that. An awful lot of people, even on the Democrat side, have got serious Clinton Fatigue.

11 posted on 02/08/2008 6:17:05 AM PST by nina0113 (If fences don't work, why does the White House have one?)
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To: Jim Noble

Sure she’ll stay in the Senate. Free rides on Gulfstreams anywhere she wants to go.

Red carpets and limos every step of her life.


12 posted on 02/08/2008 6:17:24 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Peggy meanders as usual but she does have a good point. Obama is the tougher of the two to beat in the general.


13 posted on 02/08/2008 6:18:00 AM PST by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: jalisco555

So if a Republican criticizes Obama...he(MSM) can turn it around as racism? I can hear him singing now: We Shall Overcome.


14 posted on 02/08/2008 6:20:04 AM PST by Blue Turtle
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
Political professionals are leery of saying, publicly, that she is losing, because they said it before New Hampshire and turned out to be wrong. Some of them signaled their personal weariness with Clintonism at that time, and fear now, as they report, to look as if they are carrying an agenda.

Especially Chris Matthews.

One part of the Clinton mystique maintains: Deep down journalists think she's a political Rasputin who will not be dispatched. Prince Yusupov served him cupcakes laced with cyanide, emptied a revolver, clubbed him, tied him up and threw him in a frozen river. When he floated to the surface they found he'd tried to claw his way from under the ice. That is how reporters see Hillary.

Yup Clinton Inc. is that hard to kill.

And that is a grim and over-the-top analogy, which I must withdraw. What I really mean is they see her as the Glenn Close character in "Fatal Attraction": "I won't be ignored, Dan!"

Glenn Close can play Hillary in the movie. Best line of the column.

15 posted on 02/08/2008 6:21:27 AM PST by NeoCaveman (other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the theater)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

.....Is she wise?......

We know she is vindictive. the toll of dead, that is permanently removed, is a long list.

She will not ever do what Rommney did. She will wreck the party, the party she built, before quitting the race. We are wittnessing a literal death struggle.


16 posted on 02/08/2008 6:23:44 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Once an Eagle...... always an Eagle)
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To: Blue Turtle
So if a Republican criticizes Obama...he(MSM) can turn it around as racism? I can hear him singing now: We Shall Overcome.

That's part of it but just part. He just doesn't excite the kind of animus that Hillary does. Harsh, negative attacks would just backfire. We would need to take the high road to beat him. A substantive campaign to contrast with his vaporous "change" theme.

17 posted on 02/08/2008 6:24:02 AM PST by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
A man so preoccupied would seem weak. But a woman obsessed with how tough she is just may be lethal.

Does this infer that B.O. may be in danger of joining the Clinton Dead Pool?

18 posted on 02/08/2008 6:24:11 AM PST by Joe Bfstplk (Pure drivel drives away ordinary drivel.)
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To: Joe Bfstplk

GO MITT !!


19 posted on 02/08/2008 6:26:18 AM PST by Blue Turtle
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To: GreenLanternCorps
I rather hope she won’t lose graciously

No matter what happens, "gracious" won't describe it.

20 posted on 02/08/2008 6:27:42 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: jalisco555

“Will she just say, “I concede” and go on vacation”
If Hillary loses, she will be as gracious as Teddy Kennedy was to Jimmy Carter at the Democrat convention way back when. I’ll never forget that display and I wasn’t even very interested in politics at the time.


21 posted on 02/08/2008 6:30:09 AM PST by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

I admit Obama has some momentum and the support of the active wing of the party, the left wing (unlike the GOP that disses their active wing, the right-wing).

However I also find it difficult to believe that Hillary could lose this thing, but even with all the old machinery on Hillary’s side, the power of the people should never be underestimted. If she loses, it will because of the (democrat) people.


22 posted on 02/08/2008 6:31:58 AM PST by 1Old Pro (I feel sooo calm, that I'll probably forget to vote for McLame.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

If she connives herself into the White House, more likely she’ll dig in for two terms. Then Chelsea will be groomed for the following two elections. We’re done for.


23 posted on 02/08/2008 6:34:58 AM PST by shiva
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

No, she does not know and will not know because they will steal pressure and sneak through the back door into the white house.


24 posted on 02/08/2008 6:37:22 AM PST by JFC (McCain almost has my vote)
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To: Blue Turtle
She’s got Obama fever.. and the only cure is more cowbell!
25 posted on 02/08/2008 6:39:31 AM PST by JZelle
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Hillary will not quietly go away and will fight like a rabid wolverine until the convention votes her out. I feel sorry for Obama because between now and the convention he will be the target of the most vicious and vile campaigning imaginable .


26 posted on 02/08/2008 6:39:42 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: outinyellowdogcountry

What was it like? Are you being sarcastic in your reference to Kennedy’s concession to Carter? I don’t recall the event...and I’m 61.


27 posted on 02/08/2008 6:41:08 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: outinyellowdogcountry

Okay...I looked it up. “Google is your friend” ;^)


28 posted on 02/08/2008 6:45:18 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: shiva

President Hillary
Speaker Pelosi
Majority Leader Feinstein

The vaginocracy will institute a new era of Jim Crow against men.


29 posted on 02/08/2008 6:57:21 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Hillary = Senator Incitatus, Clintigula's whore...er, horse.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Obama running in the general will be very interesting if it happens. Will the hispanics track to McCain because of amnesty and their prejudices? Will McCain do anything overt to draw those racial lines? And where will the women go? I suspect they end up becoming more of a split. The idealists will go with Obama while the women who vote national security go to McCain.

There is something interesting I saw on Tuesday. I coach high school kids and the seniors were very proud to announce they all voted for Obama. Why? That is the hard part. Ideas aren’t part of the equation. There is an excitement to vote for a young-ish, articulate, black man. All three of those qualities work in his favor with the young. They are probably Clinton’s downfall. They are too young to remember anything but BJs.


30 posted on 02/08/2008 6:58:42 AM PST by laxcoach
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Peggy has a point as well as a recent frontal lobotomy. Trying to wander through Peggy’s musings is like walking through a swamp in cement shoes.


31 posted on 02/08/2008 7:01:55 AM PST by LurkLongley (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam-For the Greater Glory of God)
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To: Travis McGee
If she does pull out of the presidential race, her first course of action will be to become Senate Majority Leader, (Harry hold on to your hat, it is going to be a rough ride.)

Barak will have to share his presidency with her if he wants anything put through Congress.

32 posted on 02/08/2008 7:02:42 AM PST by mware (Americans in arm chairs doing the work of the media.)
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To: laxcoach

My son is a conservative (taxes, abortion etc), yet, he announced he will cast his first vote for Obama. I asked him why. His reply was,”I like the guy, I just like him.”


33 posted on 02/08/2008 7:05:31 AM PST by bronxboy
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Sure Peggy she can lose, but There Will Be Blood, and the body count on Alamo Girl’s Downside Legacy grows larger.


34 posted on 02/08/2008 7:06:34 AM PST by Biblebelter (I will NEVER EVER vote for McCain or any other current Senator.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Texas is The Tipping Point.


35 posted on 02/08/2008 7:08:22 AM PST by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: Miss Behave
Pardon me. Texas is The Tipping Point.
36 posted on 02/08/2008 7:11:31 AM PST by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: Joe Bfstplk

I would advise Barak’s family not to travel together.


37 posted on 02/08/2008 7:19:07 AM PST by real saxophonist (The fact that you play tuba doesn't make you any less lethal. -USMC bandsman in Iraq)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

(snip)
We know she is smart.
(/snip)

I for one, do not know this. I have been told she is by every liberal media outlet but have yet to see her prove “smart” to me on any national stage. And for that matter, not even to the common peon (like me) that she claims to represent.

My girlfriend...bartender, apartment complex cleaning lady, waitress etc...can’t stand her and blows a gasket every time she hears Clinton claim to understand the plight of the working class woman...

Clinton is a woman of privilege and ruthless wanton destruction to those that stand in her way of what she believes (never earned) to be hers, be it the Presidency or anything else. She steps on the throat of the working class without ever having to have served food to those that might spit on her...

my girlfriend has been spit on, but because she was in the position of having to have a job, she apologized to the jerk for whatever “bad service” she might have given him to provoke such a response and quietly went to the restroom to clean up.

It was then she wept...


38 posted on 02/08/2008 7:25:22 AM PST by dba.adabas
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To: real saxophonist

Dammit... Barack. Typo, too early in the morning. I mean Barack Obama, not Ehud Barak...


39 posted on 02/08/2008 7:25:53 AM PST by real saxophonist (The fact that you play tuba doesn't make you any less lethal. -USMC bandsman in Iraq)
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To: bronxboy
My son is a conservative (taxes, abortion etc), yet, he announced he will cast his first vote for Obama. I asked him why. His reply was,”I like the guy, I just like him.”

There's a lot of that going around. Obama will be very difficult to beat if the Democrats are smart enough to nominate him.

40 posted on 02/08/2008 7:33:24 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Travis McGee

>> As if being a US Senator-for-life is a tough deal.

Wouldn’t be for you or me, but it would be utter failure for Hillary.

In fact, I think her and Billyboy’s ambition transcends leading the US.

I think they envision some sort of multinational confederation — which, of course, they become the head of.


41 posted on 02/08/2008 7:36:57 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Retire Ron Paul! Support Chris Peden (www.chrispeden.org))
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To: Travis McGee
She has that anyway. She has been anointed the smartest woman alive, and those that worship her as the second coming of Eva Peron will always treat her as a goddess.
42 posted on 02/08/2008 7:37:49 AM PST by SlapHappyPappy
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To: DCPatriot

>> Okay...I looked it up. “Google is your friend” ;^)

I don’t remember that incident either. Since I’m typing this with a mouthstick, which is really really hard, maybe you could give me the link so I don’t have to google?

Ok, who am I kidding, I have full use of my fingers (thank God!) if not my brain... I’m just too lazy. What did you find out? :-)


43 posted on 02/08/2008 7:42:50 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Retire Ron Paul! Support Chris Peden (www.chrispeden.org))
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To: laxcoach

>> Will McCain do anything overt to draw those racial lines?

What the hell more could he do? Give ‘em citizenship, welfare AND a free pinata for their kids?


44 posted on 02/08/2008 7:45:41 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Retire Ron Paul! Support Chris Peden (www.chrispeden.org))
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
What I really mean is they see her as the Glenn Close character in "Fatal Attraction": "I won't be ignored, Dan!"

A great description of Hillary.

45 posted on 02/08/2008 7:57:59 AM PST by CharacterCounts
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To: bert
She will wreck the party, the party she built, before quitting the race. We are wittnessing a literal death struggle.

While that would fun to watch, I'd be just as interested in Bill's undoing as he tries to cope with the deals he's made and monies collected based on his returning to the WH. He'd be wise to double up his secret service detail if that happens.

46 posted on 02/08/2008 8:02:53 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: varon

.....as he tries to cope with the deals he’s made and monies collected based on his returning to the WH. .....

That’s a very interesting thought. It is betting on the come. Many shirts have been lost, including my own, betting on what appeared to be a sure thing.

My view had been that the current Clinton wealth came from the Marc Rich pardon and the money he made cornering the Russian aluminum market using funds provided by the World Bank.

Looking forward however provides a whole new ball game. There are always greedy suckers to be fleeced.


47 posted on 02/08/2008 8:12:50 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Once an Eagle...... always an Eagle)
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To: DesertDreamer
I don’t know what planet she’s writing from these days, but Obama is far from bullet-proof.

She's writing from a place called reality. Obama has run an excellent campaign and avoided getting down into the gutter. A scandal-based attack on him will backfire big time. It will only sell to the people who wouldn't vote for him anyway. It will turn off the mushy middle and put him right in the WH. The only way to beat Obama is to draw him out of the platitudes and make him take real positions on real issues. Right now, campaigning against him is like trying to punch a hole in water.

48 posted on 02/08/2008 8:12:53 AM PST by Richard Kimball (Sure, they'd love to kill me, as long as they can do it without admitting I exist)
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To: Nervous Tick

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Kennedy%27s+concession+speech+to+Carter&btnG=Google+Search


49 posted on 02/08/2008 8:14:03 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

your fine point on it is the best matter of fact I’ve read
“she is trying to out-Buckley Buckley”

....and there is this.......Noonan,in this piece,is playing the race card......


50 posted on 02/08/2008 8:15:36 AM PST by advertising guy (it's gettin harder to be proud of republicans)
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