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Charen: McCain Disdain
National Review Online ^ | 2-8-08 | Mona Charen

Posted on 02/08/2008 6:29:14 AM PST by cgk





February 08, 2008, 0:00 a.m.

McCain Disdain
Why some Republicans won't vote for the senator.

By Mona Charen

I posted a squib on National Review Online about a robo call I received from John McCain (Virginia’s primary is Tuesday). The call stressed that he would, if elected, be a down-the-line limited-government conservative who would never raise taxes, would defend life, would enforce immigration laws, and would win the war on terror. The candidate is trying, I said, to meet conservatives “more than halfway.”

The response of readers was, shall we say, emphatic. One lady wrote that she would never vote for him as “he is the most disloyal, ill-tempered man and he brings out the worse [sic] in all of us.” Several readers made the point that after decades of suffering abuse at McCain’s hands, conservatives are not going to fall into line for him now no matter what blandishments he offers.

I know how they feel. The problem with John McCain is not just that he strays. George Bush has strayed from conservatism too. So has Fred Thompson, and certainly, Mitt Romney has as well. But Senator McCain has a knack for saying things in just the tones and accents that liberals prefer.

In 2000, he condemned the late Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson as “agents of intolerance.” In 2004, when Sen. John Kerry was getting his comeuppance from the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, vets whom he had known during the war and who couldn’t remain silent as the Democratic nominee distorted his war record, John McCain weighed in by calling them “dishonorable and dishonest.” When the Bush Administration was being vilified as a nest of Torquemadas for using waterboarding on three occasions, McCain came forward to condemn waterboarding as torture.

Senator McCain was a Vietnam hero. Conservatives, in particular, revere him for this. Indeed, his return from the political grave can probably be traced to the moment (October 22) when he joshingly referred to having missed the Woodstock music festival in 1969 because “I was tied up at the time.” In that instant he came to personify (for many) the conservative side of the great 1960s chasm that (Obama’s irenic rhetoric notwithstanding) continues to divide our society. Not only was he not smoking pot and lolling in the mud with his girlfriend, you could almost hear Republicans telling themselves that he was standing up to torture at the hands of America’s enemies.

And yet, a better man would not stoop to suggesting that military service is the only way to show love of country and sneer that — unlike Mitt Romney — he served for “patriotism not profit.” Profit is a four letter word in the McCain vocabulary, whether applied to “Big Pharma” or other businesses.

McCain reaches too hard and too transparently to turn everything into a contest about military service. When Romney observed that Bob Dole wouldn’t necessarily be the one he’d want an endorsement from, McCain pronounced himself “very sad and disappointed to see that kind of comment about a person who was an American war hero” and demanded that Romney apologize.

There is a strutting self-righteousness about McCain that goes hand-in-hand with a nitroglycerin temper. He flatters himself that his colleagues in the Senate dislike him because he stands up for principle, while they sell their souls for pork. Not exactly. He is disliked because on many, many occasions he has been disrespectful, belligerent, and vulgar to those who differ with him.

Bradley Smith, former commissioner of the Federal Election Commission and the leading legal scholar on campaign-finance issues, experienced the McCain treatment firsthand. Because Smith opposed limits on political speech, he was denounced as “corrupt” by the senator (as was Commissioner Ellen Weintraub). Smith, who lives modestly, jokes that his wife has complained about the absence of jewels and furs. Though he served on the commission for five years and made several attempts to meet with McCain to discuss the issues, Smith was rebuffed.

The two did accidentally meet outside a hearing room in 2004 when they were both scheduled to testify before the Senate rules committee. At first, McCain grasped Smith’s outstretched hand (Smith was in a wheelchair recovering from surgery), but when he recognized his campaign finance opponent he snatched his hand back, snarling “I’m not going to shake your hand. You’re a bully. You have no regard for the Constitution. You’re corrupt.”

Smith, a soft-spoken scholar, ardent patriot, and lifelong conservative Republican, cannot pull the lever for McCain. He is far from alone, and that is the Republican Party’s heartbreak in 2008.

— Mona Charen is a syndicated columnist and political commentator.


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1 posted on 02/08/2008 6:29:16 AM PST by cgk
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To: bboop; Bismark; Black Agnes; blitzgig; Cacique; Capitalism2003; Davis; Diogenez; DoctorMichael; ...

Charen ping!

Please FReepmail me if you would like to be added to, or removed from, the Mona Charen ping list...

2 posted on 02/08/2008 6:32:13 AM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: cgk
I'm with Bradley Smith. I cannot vote for a candidate who wants to have the government police elections.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3 posted on 02/08/2008 6:32:31 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: cgk

And that’s just scratching the surface.


4 posted on 02/08/2008 6:33:50 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Amnesty! Taxes! Censorship! Jihadi Rights! Gay Marriage! NY Times Endorsed! McCain!)
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To: cgk

I hope McCain and his sycophants will read this today. It sums everything up perfectly. And Charen doesn’t even mention McCain’s volcanic performance during the debate over his amnesty bill, when he called Pete Domenici an a**hole and Chuck Grassley an idiot; and when he concluded secret backroom deals with Ted Kennedy and tried to ram the bill through without hearings or debate. Why should conservatives shut up and tolerate such a man? Surely we can do better.


5 posted on 02/08/2008 6:34:52 AM PST by Dems_R_Losers (Waiting for 2012 to vote for an actual Republican)
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To: cgk

Reporting for dupey! :)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966959/posts


6 posted on 02/08/2008 6:37:00 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( There is still time........brother.)
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To: cgk
The two did accidentally meet outside a hearing room in 2004 when they were both scheduled to testify before the Senate rules committee. At first, McCain grasped Smith’s outstretched hand (Smith was in a wheelchair recovering from surgery), but when he recognized his campaign finance opponent he snatched his hand back, snarling “I’m not going to shake your hand. You’re a bully. You have no regard for the Constitution. You’re corrupt.”

I had never heard that story. McCain really is a jerk, isn't he?

7 posted on 02/08/2008 6:38:07 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Dems_R_Losers
Surely we can do better.

Apparently we can't.
And don't call me Shirley.

;->

8 posted on 02/08/2008 6:38:15 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: cgk
that is the Republican Party’s heartbreak in 2008.

"Heartbreak" is the right word here.

I abhor the thought of voting for Hillary O'bama.
But if I vote for McCain, aren't I just encouraging the party to offer up more just like him?

If I don't vote at all, then I am unreachable, and thus written off by both parties, I suppose.

"Heartbreak" is the right word.

9 posted on 02/08/2008 6:41:59 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Dems_R_Losers
Why should conservatives shut up and tolerate such a man? Surely we can do better.

You'd think so, but sadly, we couldn't.

10 posted on 02/08/2008 6:42:23 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: cgk

There are quirks in McCain’s personality, like this self-righteousness, his hair-trigger temper, etc., that really concern me. I don’t understand his thought processes. Going to Kerry to offer to be his VP candidate was squirrely. His conserva-liberal schizo-platform is beyond my understanding. Having said all that, I agree with Romney’s decision.

Let’s suppose Romney had mounted the steep incline to the Repub nomination. He had another uphill climb against the Dems. How much did he want to pay for this whole thing out of his own pocket? Especially for those kind of chances. His points at CPAC were extremely valid. The best Repub candidate to proffer those issues is McCain. I REALLY hate to say that. The realities we face stink, but I think Romney made the right decision, for himself, and for his country. We a couple years until mid-terms to figure ourselves out as conservatives and re-group. We need to re-visit Reagan and Newt’s Contract with America and see if we can’t recapture a winning posture and communication.


11 posted on 02/08/2008 6:42:36 AM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: cgk

I don’t care what John McCain says to conservatives in between now and November. He is not a conservative and he would not govern as a conservative if he were elected.

I am so angry that the general election is almost 9 months away and McCain is now the presumptive nominee of our party. Since I live in Ohio, I have not voted in the primaries yet and regardless of who I vote for next month, my vote won’t matter. Conservatives are being disenfranchised in this election. In November we will have the choice of voting for a liberal Democrat or a RINO. I’m tired of voting for moderate Republicans just because because they are “less liberal” than their Democrat opponents. I used to criticize conservatives who stayed home rather than vote for moderate Republicans, but this year, I might be joining them.


12 posted on 02/08/2008 6:43:23 AM PST by steadfastconservative
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To: SoFloFreeper

McCain has a history of deep anger and being dismissive towards those he believes are “corrupt” (which is ANYONE who opposes something he wants.

With this in mind, should McCain become president (shudder) he WILL join with democrats to enact the so-called Fairness Doctrine...believe me, he wants to SILENCE the “corrupt” conservative talk radio.


13 posted on 02/08/2008 6:45:42 AM PST by Moby Grape
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To: goldstategop

Our team has to play better next time, but Hillary’s not an option for me. I’ll vote.


14 posted on 02/08/2008 6:46:13 AM PST by GOPJ (Take your ball - go home - sit this one out? Fifty years of liberal Supreme Court decisions? NO WAY.)
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To: cgk

A better understanding of the US Constitution is in order for all of us.


15 posted on 02/08/2008 6:46:55 AM PST by Bogie
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To: cgk

You know, we have nine(9) months between now and the election. The Dem. nominee may not be determined for months. Mc cain’s VP nominee hasn’t been selected. I think people who are making these Shermanesk statements at this time are full of hot air and are expressing emotion of the moment. A more sobering thought might influence them in November given the stark difference in the choices.


16 posted on 02/08/2008 6:50:51 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: DBCJR

I don’t think that McCain is better on national security than Romney or the other Republican candidates, with the exception of Ron Paul.

But the real problem with McCain is that he can’t win. The independents and moderates who have supported him in the primaries are unlikely to vote for him in November, especially once the Democrats and MSM start attacking him. And many conservatives will not vote for him either because he is not a conservative. That leaves moderate Republicans and their support is not going to be enough for him to win. And, frankly, I don’t care if he does lose.


17 posted on 02/08/2008 6:51:01 AM PST by steadfastconservative
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To: Izzy Dunne
"Surely we can do better."

"Apparently we can't."

We have the choice of the Huck & Romney has only suspended his campaign and keeping all his delegates.

Romney can step right back into the race if he chooses to.

It's up to us to find a way to deep six McCain. I don't have the answer.

18 posted on 02/08/2008 6:51:11 AM PST by LADY J
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To: cgk
If there is any "McCain Disdain" among conservatives toward McCain, it was long ago eclipsed by the enormity of "McCain Disdain" that McCain has toward conservatives.

Every time an issue came up for McCain that pitted his Democrat friends against the conservative base, he consistently sided with the Democrats. (See McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Lieberman, et cetera, ad nauseum.)

19 posted on 02/08/2008 6:52:44 AM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: LADY J

Get over it. Mc Cain is the nominee barring some unexpected health problems.


20 posted on 02/08/2008 6:53:24 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Right now I’m feeling like the real mother in the story in the Bible where the Judge issues the edict to cut the baby in half to resolve the issue over the two women claiming to be the child’s mother.

My Country is at stake. Can I trust one man that I despise who represents my Party or sit on my hands on 11/8 and allow socialism overtake our society.


21 posted on 02/08/2008 6:53:24 AM PST by not2worry ( What goes around comes around!)
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To: cgk
One lady wrote that she would never vote for him as “he is the most disloyal, ill-tempered man and he brings out the worse [sic] in all of us.”

Boy, did she nail it! He has done too many things over the years that convince me he is NOT a friend of business, he fights tax cuts, he supports far too many liberal programs, and he's in bed with far too many liberals. All I want is somebody who realizes that I know how to spend my money better than Washington does and will work to create an environment where productive people reap the benefits of their own effort and those who aren't productive get the benefits of their own efforts...not mine.

22 posted on 02/08/2008 6:53:24 AM PST by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: DBCJR

McCain is really pretty easy to understand. He started out as a real conservative Reaganite, but in many ways “went native” after too many years in Washington. His ego is gigantic and took a huge hit in 2000. He carries grudges and carried an enormous grudge against Bush and his team after the 2000 election which he believed he should have won. He went after the 527s with McCain-Feingold because he thought they would hurt him in a future presidential run. He thinks he is always right, whether his position is conservative or liberal, and anyone who disagrees with him is either corrupt or stupid. He is his own political party.


23 posted on 02/08/2008 6:53:54 AM PST by Dems_R_Losers (Waiting for 2012 to vote for an actual Republican)
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To: GOPJ

If I vote for that ass hole then I blame my self for what I got, I will not vote for someone I distain then watch the party self destruct.


24 posted on 02/08/2008 6:54:20 AM PST by boomop1
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To: Dems_R_Losers

“Why should conservatives shut up and tolerate such a man? Surely we can do better”

Got any realistic ideas, because the dope from Hope doesn’t cut it either.


25 posted on 02/08/2008 6:55:20 AM PST by egginanest ( We don't know what we want, but we are ready to bite somebody to get it. -Will Rogers-)
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To: steadfastconservative

Polls show something different, but then the polls in NH were wrong. I tend to disagree with you. I do see this as a time we conservatives need to re-group and “find ourselves”, as Hillary puts it. We need to review Reagan and Newt’s Contract with America and find what it was that propelled conservatism into leadership.


26 posted on 02/08/2008 6:55:26 AM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: Izzy Dunne

I fear that this election is going to be a dilemma in the true sense of the word: Two choices, both bad.


27 posted on 02/08/2008 6:55:33 AM PST by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
"Get over it. Mc Cain is the nominee barring some unexpected health problems."

Yep and Now I will support McCain for President with all my heart and soul...

Just as soon as the monkeys show up...

28 posted on 02/08/2008 6:55:40 AM PST by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: cgk

Very good article.


29 posted on 02/08/2008 6:57:15 AM PST by devere
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To: Dems_R_Losers
He is his own political party.

I never thought about it this way, but you're right!

30 posted on 02/08/2008 6:57:23 AM PST by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: Dems_R_Losers

“He went after the 527s with McCain-Feingold because he thought they would hurt him in a future presidential run. “

Everything else you said I have heard or thought before, but the above was a light bulb going on for me. Could you expand your thoughts on that?


31 posted on 02/08/2008 6:58:15 AM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: cgk

McCain claims to be a footsoldier in the Reagan revolution, I would ask the Little Senator how does McCain/Feingold , McCain/ Kennady/Edwards, McCain/Kennedy, McCain/ Liebermann promote the conservative agenda?

His hallmark legislation does not a promote conservatitve position, he will get called on it. McCain’s thin fasade will crumble. No one is going to vote for a phoney. I fear we’re in for an Obama presidency


32 posted on 02/08/2008 6:58:33 AM PST by blastdad51 (Proud father of an Enduring Freedom vet, and friend of a soldier lost in Afghanistan)
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To: cgk
would enforce immigration laws, Correct. He would fight to change the laws so the borders would be wide open and he would enforce that law.
33 posted on 02/08/2008 6:59:19 AM PST by DManA
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To: LADY J
We have the choice of the Huck & Romney has only suspended his campaign and keeping all his delegates.

Romney can step right back into the race if he chooses to.

It's up to us to find a way to deep six McCain. I don't have the answer.


Well, I plan on voting for Romney in my primary. It probably won't make much difference, but I think he can still pick up delegates.
34 posted on 02/08/2008 7:00:17 AM PST by Girlene
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
"Get over it. Mc Cain is the nominee barring some unexpected health problems."

Unfortunately - I don't like being treated like an abused wife by the party elite!!

We've taken enough 'hold your nose & vote for the best of the worst'.

McCain has been the worst offender at deliberately doing things to show his disdain for us conservatives.

I have not made my decision about what I will do at this time.

35 posted on 02/08/2008 7:01:05 AM PST by LADY J
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To: cgk

I cannot vote for John McCain and would not even consider voting for a Democrat. But I won’t stay home on election day - there will be congressional votes to be cast and hopefully we can influence the outcome of these races. Voting conservatives into congress may be our only hope for thwarting the policies of which ever liberal ends up in the White House. As for presidental voting - write in the person of your choice. To stay home and not vote at all is to give up your right to voice your opinion plus it will only make matters worse. Just do what you can do - and never, never, never, never give up!


36 posted on 02/08/2008 7:02:24 AM PST by cblue55
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To: GOPJ
Our team has to play better next time, but Hillary’s not an option for me. I’ll vote.

Well said. I won't surrender the war because of a lost battle.

That said, for every conservative who refuses to pull the lever, there is a liberal who would rather see McCain than whoever the dems nominate.

37 posted on 02/08/2008 7:02:45 AM PST by zeebee
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To: cgk

I cannot vote for John McCain and would not even consider voting for a Democrat. But I won’t stay home on election day - there will be congressional votes to be cast and hopefully we can influence the outcome of these races. Voting conservatives into congress may be our only hope for thwarting the policies of which ever liberal ends up in the White House. As for presidental voting - write in the person of your choice. To stay home and not vote at all is to give up your right to voice your opinion plus it will only make matters worse. Just do what you can do - and never, never, never, never give up!


38 posted on 02/08/2008 7:03:08 AM PST by cblue55 (Never never never give up!)
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To: cgk
I miss Mona. She was the only reason to watch the Capital Gang.

I'm still going to vote for McNutt.

39 posted on 02/08/2008 7:04:03 AM PST by Tribune7 (How is inflicting pain and death on an innocent, helpless human being for profit, moral?)
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To: Dems_R_Losers

She hits it on the head, and I’m still going to vote for McCain. The alternative is unacceptable.


40 posted on 02/08/2008 7:05:04 AM PST by Tribune7 (How is inflicting pain and death on an innocent, helpless human being for profit, moral?)
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To: DBCJR
“He went after the 527s with McCain-Feingold because he thought they would hurt him in a future presidential run. “

Everything else you said I have heard or thought before, but the above was a light bulb going on for me. Could you expand your thoughts on that?

I believe McCain has been running for president for at least ten years and has never stopped. Everything he has done has to be viewed in that context. He knows he is the favorite of the media and wanted to make the media stronger in future campaigns by making paid political speech more difficult. This has the bonus effect of ingratiating him even more with the media and guaranteeing him more free media coverage, which he has used to great effect.

The guy is not stupid.

41 posted on 02/08/2008 7:07:11 AM PST by Dems_R_Losers (Waiting for 2012 to vote for an actual Republican)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
You know, we have nine(9) months between now and the election. The Dem. nominee may not be determined for months. Mc cain’s VP nominee hasn’t been selected. I think people who are making these Shermanesk statements at this time are full of hot air and are expressing emotion of the moment. A more sobering thought might influence them in November given the stark difference in the choices.

So basically you are saying 'conservatives' put some ice on it come November you'll see things my way... How very Bill Clinton of you... 'you know'.

42 posted on 02/08/2008 7:07:16 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: not2worry

“My Country is at stake. Can I trust one man that I despise who represents my Party or sit on my hands on 11/8 and allow socialism overtake our society”

Methinks you have answered your own question!

- John


43 posted on 02/08/2008 7:08:20 AM PST by Fishrrman
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To: DBCJR
We also need to take off the politically correct gloves and start playing hardball with the facts. How can people sit there and hear Hillary tell you that you (productive) people are going to have to sacrifice more so those less fortunate (unproductive) can benefit. Screw that! If you want more from life, get it yourself. I'm tired of paying for your better life and my expense and I'd like my party to have the guts to say so out loud. Call Hillary out: She wants to raise your taxes, folks, so why are you supporting her? No wonder she appeals to the unproductive members of society. But no...the GOP wants to take the high road and not point that out. The GOP no longer has a spine for a fight.

How 'bout this for a drastic idea: Instead of seeing the economic pie as fix and the only way to make one group better is to take something away from another group, why not create a business environment (cut taxes on business and consumers, less regulation, etc.) where the size of the pie gets bigger. A rising tide lifts all boats.

Hillary, by her own words, takes the Marxist view of income redistribution, as evidenced by her own words. Alas, McCain seems to have the same view of the world. How sad for the rest of us productive members of this society.

44 posted on 02/08/2008 7:08:54 AM PST by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: Just mythoughts

Amen. I think John McCain is dangerous and unbalanced and unprincipled. I cannot in good conscience vote for him, and nobody will convince me to. My opinion about him was formed a long time ago and nothing he has done since has improved it, only made it worse. America survived four years of Jimmy Carter with 5,000 Soviet nukes pointed at us, 12% inflation, gas lines, and hostages taken in Iran. We will survive four years of Clinton or Obama. I am not succumbing to the Republican politics of fear.


45 posted on 02/08/2008 7:11:31 AM PST by Dems_R_Losers (Waiting for 2012 to vote for an actual Republican)
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To: steadfastconservative

I agree with you - I was always the one to say that people shouldn’t throw away their vote on a third party, write-in, etc.

But I’ve reached my limit. How far should I stretch, or ignore, my principles? The left is just itching for us all - the talk radio crowd, the FReepers, etc. to back McCain - they’ll never let us hear the end of it! Win or lose in 2008, any time Conservatives make an argument about immigration, civil rights for terrorists, global warming, judges, taxes, etc., the response will be “well, it must not be that important to you, since your own candidate, whom you nominated and supported, disagrees with you.”

I’m sticking to my principles - in the end it’s all we have.

Sadly, I believe that McCain has only a slightly better chance of being elected president in 2008 than you or I do in any event.


46 posted on 02/08/2008 7:15:24 AM PST by cvq3842
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To: goldstategop

The government should not regulate the political content of broadcasts. Period.


47 posted on 02/08/2008 7:16:07 AM PST by cvq3842
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To: GOPJ; goldstategop

I prefer to vote 3rd party. Libertarian or Constitution. Let the GOP work to get my vote back.


48 posted on 02/08/2008 7:16:10 AM PST by oblomov
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To: Izzy Dunne
I abhor the thought of voting for Hillary O'bama. But if I vote for McCain, aren't I just encouraging the party to offer up more just like him?

GHWB, Dole, Bush, McCain. It gets worse each cycle. None of these guys are philosophical conservatives.

WE ALL KNOW GOOD AND WELL THAT MCCAIN WILL THROW US UNDER THE BUS.

When do we start advancing instead of retreating? We've been on the defensive since RR. These "Republicans" are worthless. We haven't accomplished a thing. I want to win, not play prevent defense.

49 posted on 02/08/2008 7:16:45 AM PST by ecomcon
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To: cgk
Don't listen to McCain's promises of the moment: observe his actions.

This is the man John McCain chose to be his "Hispanic Outreach Director." Hernandez is a verified traitor. Born in Dallas he decided as an adult to become a dual-national Mexican citizen. His last job was serving as Mexican President Vicente Fox's "American Reconquista Director."

Hernandez believes all Mexicans and Mexican-Americans in the USA should become dual citizens and consider themselves Mexicans first, "to the 8th generation."

The "New American Pioneers" proclaimed in his book are the illegal alien invaders he urges to become settlers in the USA.

And this is the man McCain chose for his "Hispanic Outreach Director." In the past week he was asked about this choice, and he said he chose Hernandez because he agrees with his positions.

Yet out of the other side of his mouth he says "He has heard us" and he will "Secure the border first."

Juan Shamnesty McCain is precisely a treacherous liar.

50 posted on 02/08/2008 7:17:20 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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