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REBELLION BREWING IN DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN RANKS (New World Order conspiracy view on elections)
World Affairs Brief ^ | Feb. 8, 08 | Joel Skousen

Posted on 02/08/2008 7:12:42 PM PST by Rennes Templar

The untold story emerging from the Super Tuesday primaries is not that McCain has the Republican nomination almost wrapped up, or that the Democrats are evenly split in their support for Obama and Clinton. The real story is that the manipulation of the election process has become so obvious to the thinking portion of each party that a latent rebellion is brewing. More and more people are cynical and angry over media bias, carefully timed big name endorsements that sway ignorant voters, and back room party deals (yet to come) that are specifically aimed at thwarting the ever-growing dissatisfaction of voters with the hollow promises of change. Those that spend a considerable amount of time pondering the issues and candidate positions (both real and feigned) are in the minority of each party. But, they are at least twice as active as passive and manipulated voters--and they don't like what they see ahead. Is this growing rebellion enough to stop the establishment process of limiting our choice to Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum? Probably not, at least not yet, but dissatisfaction levels are growing so much that if the establishment forces John McCain and Hillary Clinton upon the nation, an independent challenge is probable. This week I'll talk about the options.

First, the big news in the aftermath of Super Tuesday is that runner-up Mitt Romney has decided to bail out of the race. Smart move, but very disappointing to his conservative following. He would have had to throw millions more at a campaign that could have only netted him, at best, an impassioned speech at the Republican Convention. By only suspending his campaign, he stops the bloodletting and still retains his 268 delegates to use at the convention and may still merit a spot for a major address. McCain has 703 delegates and Huckabee has 169.

Romney realized that the GOP establishment and media were out to get him (without knowing the real reason) and using Mike Huckabee to split his support base. He also knew from polls that a large portion of Huckabee's conservative Christian supporters harbored such virulent anti-Mormon feelings that they would have voted for McCain rather than Romney had their choice been restricted to the two. That's a scary commentary on how religious bias can arise to the point of rejecting a moral conservative who shares the same basic values, but not their specific brand of Christianity, in favor of a serial adulterer, chronic liar, and globalist insider--John McCain.

In any case, Romney was headed down the wrong path trying to out-Bush the warmongering John McCain. It's better for his legacy and his Church's reputation that he step down and not be the one who takes the world down the path to more war and an eventual New World Order--which Romney would have done had he continued to follow his globalist and mainstream advisors.

Like Woodrow Wilson, he would have eventually been forced to admit, "I have unwittingly destroyed my country… We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world--no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." Romney still has ambitions for another run at the presidency, but hopefully, before he goes down that path again, someone who knows the scope of the globalist agenda can straighten him out.

Before I continue my analysis of what the Republican hierarchy will do with Romney out of the picture, let me review the widespread dissatisfaction within both parties over the outcome of the primaries thus far. I'll begin by commenting on the political assessment of Justin Raimondo in his piece, "The Winter of Our Discontent," some of which coincides with what I have written in recent briefs [My comments in brackets].

"This is one election season in which the conventional wisdom is no sooner formulated than it is refuted by events: Hillary was 'inevitable' -- now she's content to hold her ground. Rudolph Giuliani was the 'frontrunner' in the national polls -- today he's a laughingstock, who earned the distinction of paying the most cash ever for a single delegate. As I put it at the tail end of last year, the theme of election season '08 is the collapse of the alleged frontrunners [It is this disparity between the falsified standing in the polls of the "front runners" and their actual low levels of support that has led millions to suspect deliberate media manipulation--not to mention the obvious and systematic denial of media coverage for Ron Paul]. "On the Democratic side, the big story is Barack Obama's strong challenge to the Clinton machine: coming on strong as the antiwar candidate, with ads that clearly pledged to get us out [which he won't do], Obama's momentum wasn't enough to overcome the determined rear guard action and racially divisive defense of the Clintonites, who pulled out all the stops and managed to hold on for dear life.

"On the Republican side, the fragmentation of the GOP continued apace, with the party apparently split along regional as well as ideological lines: McCain, while proclaiming himself the 'frontrunner,' won on both coasts [but only in liberal states that will go Democratic in the actual election--so these wins by McCain will not translate into a Republican victory in November--as all the professionals know], Romney took the Midwest, and the Huckster conned the South into giving him the nod [because of the predominance of evangelical Christians who can't see past the Huckster's claim to "be one of them"]. One has to note the weakness of Romney, who did well in caucus states [Same for Ron Paul. In caucus states, only those active and knowledgeable about the political process participate, so it is NOT representative of an election where ignorant voters express their somewhat managed desires], and in those regions where he had a personal connection (Massachusetts and Utah).

"This represents the fragility of the old GOP [Grand Old Party -Republican] establishment, which is backing Romney: like their candidate, they are out of ideas, and out of steam [This is where Raimundo shows his Left-leaning ignorance. The real GOP establishment is NOT backing Romney, but McCain. In reality, the GOP establishment has two very different components--one is the conservative side which thinks they are in charge (but aren't), and the other, a bunch of neocon globalists who do run the show. The naive side is the old Goldwater conservative establishment which is aged and dying out. They are economic conservatives anxious to protect their wealth, who congregate annually around the Council for National Policy's annual convention, but who are so anxious to maintain political power that they have endorsed the low road of compromise ever since the Reagan administration. They mostly come from mainstream Christian churches or evangelical denominations with big television-based ministries.]

[These are the ones, thanks to one of their old line leaders Richard Viguerie, that are starting to realize they have been duped. Yes, many of these people back Romney because he is an outsider and does give the illusory promise of change. But these mainstream conservatives have always been suckers for the illusion of change--because they are so driven by picking someone who "can get elected." They have always looked down on Ron Paul for being too ideological and unwilling to compromise. These are those that have long been deceived by the new breed of GOP establishment leaders who actually run the show, and they are starting to realize that. Republican cheerleaders like Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter have for years believed they were accepted by the in crowd, but having come out for Mitt Romney, they suddenly found themselves on the outside. Now that Mitt is bowing out, I wonder where their support will go? Few of these types, I believe, will ever have the courage to actually fight against those in power and support a man of principle like Ron Paul. The globalist "wolves in sheep's clothing" like Dick Cheney and his CFR cohorts that surround the presidency are the ones truly in power--they are neocons, globalists, and co-conspirators with insider bankers and international corporations that are working for a much larger control system (the NWO). Fortunately their controlling hand is now showing more than ever].

"The big story for the GOP is the persistence of Huckabee, whose surprising strength has knocked Romney flat on his back and pretty much out of the race [It is not surprising at all, given the boost he got from the PTB. Huckabee, like McCain had nearly zero support until the media started to say he was on a surge, and hyped his Baptist ministerial credentials. This set off a wave of predictable religious fervor and support among those that held marked anti-Mormon beliefs. This was a planned strategy specifically aimed at denying Romney the nomination. No mainstream Republican like Huckabee without money or organization puts his hat into the ring without someone from the real GOP establishment putting the bug in his ear and promising support. Huckabee jumped into the race about 3 weeks after Romney announced his exploratory committee. The "Huck" was so overweight he looked like Howard Taft, and had to lose a hundred pounds before he dared make a public showing]. What's significant, however, is that McCain has so far failed to close the deal, and the party convention is shaping up to be little short of chaos [Raimundo speaks too soon. Whether Huckabee bows out now and gives McCain a free ride or whether he stays in the race into the convention depends on how the PTB intend to use Huckabee. Huckabee is in their pocket and can deliver his delegates to McCain before or during the convention--just as Giuliani did. But, Huckabee may still be needed to keep the anti-McCain vote from going to Ron Paul. This is not chaos, but simply the best the manipulators can muster for now].

"The same fate awaits the Democrats: it looks like the pledged delegates -- that is, delegates won fair and square in a primary -- are going in their majority [only a slight lead at present. Clinton led with 739 to Obama's 700] to Obama, while the 'super-delegates' -- party bigwigs appointed by the Powers-That-Be -- could give the nomination to Hillary [While the Democrats appear to have a more democratic primary system, apportioning the number of delegates according the percentage won in each primary, the party hierarchy controls a whopping 400 extra delegate votes which is not bond by voter preferences in the primaries. These represent almost 40% of the total and have the power to determine the winner. Obama claims to have about a third of those committed to him, but there are no guarantees]. This could set up a situation where the party Establishment defies the apparent will of the voters and crowns Hillary in a super-delegate 'coup.' One can almost feel the resentment, disappointment, and building anger that will rise up and smite the Democrats if and when this occurs [This is the potential rebellion that is brewing if the PTB choose Hillary]. The whole process then becomes a metaphor for the cause of widespread voter alienation -- the rise of a permanently-entrenched political class in America, similar to that which once wielded power in the former Soviet Union."

"Obama's amazing rise is due almost entirely to his position on the war: he wants out by the end of '08, and so do most Americans no matter which party they belong to... During his speech last night, it was Obama's lines about ending the war and bringing the troops home that brought the loudest sustained cheer: the crowd went wild. No, they weren't applauding the prospect of America's return to the wisdom of the Founders, who warned against foreign entanglements and dreaded the rise of a powerful military caste: Obama represents nothing quite as coherent as that.." Raimundo is, of course, referring to the Ron Paul position--the core principle of a non-interventionist foreign policy. Without that core principle, Obama will be forced to compromise due to the almost infinite ability of the black ops people in government to concoct a conflict or terror event that will produce a knee-jerk patriotic reaction forcing him to respond with force.

I think the Obama movement is representative of the dissatisfied half of the Democratic party who, despite their non-thinking penchant for socialist mandates, correctly want us out of this trumped up war. Those supporting Hillary range from the traditional union and welfare-dependent masses (including most Latinos) to the foolish women who are set on having "one of their own" in the White House. If the establishment persists on pushing Hillary toward the Democratic nomination, they are going to face a real rebellion in the other half of the party. Probably only half of those anti-war Democrats will go back to Hillary as the "lesser of two evils,"

I expect fully a large number to rally around an independent candidacy--if one should be allowed to emerge. If it's Ron Paul, media coverage will be denied to keep his polling numbers low. As in times past, we may see the PTB run their own "independent" candidate to tip the balance one way or another. The PTB used Ross Perot to siphon off votes for George H. W. Bush in the 1992 election in order to get Clinton elected. In 2000 they used Ralph Nader to pull off nearly 4% of the vote that would have gone toward John Kerry.

If we pit Republican John (100 year war) McCain against Democrat Hillary (soft on the war) Clinton, there are going to be millions from the Ron Paul Right and the anti-war Democratic Left who will be looking for an alternative to vote for. That's a perfect opening for Ron Paul to mount an independent candidacy. He already has attracted a significant following from those on both the principled Left (sincere liberals who simply don't realize the hidden consequences of the government social programs they support) and the principled, constitutional Right, plus many independents.

Prediction: If Ron Paul agrees to continue the fight as an independent or Constitution Party candidate, he will draw votes away from the establishment Republican. While most conservatives will hold their nose and vote for McCain as the lesser of two evils (compared to Hillary) many of Paul's supporters have sworn never to throw their vote away on the "lesser evil" again--knowing that it makes things even worse. George Bush did much more damage than a Democrat could have done specifically because he convinced conservatives to go along. The PTB have a wealthy independent candidate Michael Bloomberg waiting in the wings, if necessary, to draw down more Democratic votes than Paul takes from the Republican.

Ron has told several people that he is very reluctant to run an independent campaign. In previous attempts it took a big toll on Ron's health due to the difficulty and expense of mounting a ballot access campaign in every state. However, never before has he had the millions of self-motivated followers that he has now. All he has to do is explain the petition process and it would get done--just like his magic fundraising days. The advantage of Ron Paul running on the Constitution ticket is that this party already is close to having ballot access in all 50 states. But, the downside is that Ron Paul is simultaneously running for Congress as a Republican and switching parties or dumping the GOP might jeopardize that election.

A VIEW FROM THE PTB: Let's look at the options from the view of the Powers That Be (PTB) based upon my general theory that these are globalists attempting to maneuver us into a New World Order through the vehicle of conflict--more wars of intervention and an eventual nuclear World War III.

First, they must ensure that they have an FDR type of war president that can steer American patriotism into supporting this next World War, to be done under the control of the UN. Technically, they don't have to have that person in office during the next 4 years because China and Russia won't be ready to attack until at least the middle of the next decade. While FDR was a Democrat, he ran on Republican style principles in order to get elected. Hillary can't do that. That's why I believe they will try to get another Republican elected. Only a Republican can fully convince conservative Republicans to go along with the NWO and loss of national sovereignty.

It won't be an easy feat to convince American's that our government wasn't at fault in this war. There will be even more evidence that we provoked this war. Like 9/11 many will suspect that our government was either complicit in covering for Russian and Chinese war preparations or guilty of gross malfeasance in not warning about it.

Second, as I have hypothesized before, in order to get a Republican war president elected (after the disastrous reign of George Bush), they need to put up a Democrat so disliked that he or she will drive many independents back to the Republicans. Hillary is capable of engendering those kinds of negative feelings. Obama is not, and that's why I think the establishment has always favored Hillary for the nomination but not to actually win.

Let's look at both sides of the Democratic coin. If Obama wins the Democratic nomination, there will be a significant amount of crossover from independents to the Democratic side in the general election because is promises to get us out of Iraq. There are even some Republicans that dislike McCain so much they would defect to Obama or not vote at all. Only a few have threatened to defect to Hillary. If Obama runs, there also won't be any anti-war backlash in the Democratic ranks.

They will control Obama if he wins the presidency, but it won't dramatically enhance the war agenda, unless they unleash anther high profile terror attack. The PTB already have some strings attached to Obama having made him the recipient of various wealth enhancing deals-just like they did for the Bush and Clinton families. But with his fresh demeanor and youthful looks, Obama doesn't give the impression of an insider. He is electable as long as the unknown race factor doesn't play a larger role--an unknown at this point, even if people tell the pollsters it isn't a factor.

As for Hillary, no other Democratic candidate evokes so much bad feeling as she does. That's what the PTB are counting on to give a Republican a chance. However, that strategy is now decidedly compromised by the fall of Giuliani, who could have been sold to Americans as "America's Peace and Security Mayor." McCain on the other hand, has made so many warmongering statements that there will be almost no anti war independents crossing over to vote Republican. The establishment would have to run an independent liberal, anti-war campaign (via Bloomberg or Nader perhaps) in order to draw off votes from Hillary. Even though the establishment doesn't like dealing with Hillary (she thinks she really is in charge) if she did win the election, they could use it to generate a powerful Republican backlash four years later to elect the war president they want.

On the Republican side, McCain certainly could be the war president if he can be elected--which is no sure thing. Many old guard conservatives know how unstable McCain is. Jack Wheeler, the "Indiana Jones" of the old line conservatives has gone along with the neocon agenda now for almost 20 years. But, he is seeing things a little differently now: "The number of fellow senators who think John McCain is psychologically unstable is large. Some will admit it publicly, like Thad Cochran who says, 'The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine.' Others relate times when McCain screamed four-letter obscenities right in their faces in the Senate cloak room, like Dick Shelby, Rick Santorum or Jim Inhofe. 'The man is unhinged,' one senator told me. 'He is frighteningly unfit to be commander-in-chief.'" But, the public will never be allowed to hear these opinions-even from the Democrats.

With Romney bowing out, Huckabee and Ron Paul are still left to compete against McCain. The establishment doesn't want Ron Paul (and regularly makes no mention about him still being in the race) but it will be interesting to see where the conservative votes go in the remaining primaries now that Romney isn't competing--especially Texas, Ron Paul's home state. If Huckabee stays in the race it will be to keep those votes from going to Ron Paul. If Huckabee quits and endorses McCain, then Ron Paul gets a huge leg up in free media plus a speech at the convention. I don't think the PTB want that, so I think Huckabee will keep on.

McCain is shifting rapidly to the right (in rhetoric only) hoping to convince conservatives to back him. No one seems to be concerned that this is also "flip-flopping" -the derisive title they tagged Romney with, and if that still doesn't convince Republicans that McCain is now one of them, they might bring Huckabee on board as VP to sucker the Christians into voting for McCain.

Ron Paul has been hoping to garner enough delegates so that in a contested convention he might have some leverage. He has at least 42 and possibly more depending on the legal challenge his campaign is mounting in Louisiana where the state Republican leadership illegally allowed other candidates to qualify delegates after the deadline. According to the Paul official campaign site, "projections from last night's results at least 3 delegates were won in Alaska, 5 delegates were won in North Dakota, 9 delegates were won in Minnesota, and 4 delegates were won in Colorado." Ron also got 3 delegates in W. Virginia in a trade with Huckabee's forces.

However, with Romney pulling out, those votes could only be of use in a negotiation with Mike Huckabee against McCain. Since the Huckster is in league with the PTB to help get McCain elected, that is unlikely. It appears that McCain will easily win a majority of delegates before the convention, so there will be no brokered deals, and the Ron Paul strategy of having influence at the convention will not work. I wouldn't be surprised if the GOP denied him even the right to speak at the convention--due to his small base of support.

Judging the Political Landscape: One thing the Ron Paul campaign has done, besides grow the movement, is to give constitutional conservatives a more realistic view of our potential support among normal people. For years I have heard conservatives of liberty talk endlessly about "we" being the majority. That hasn't been true for a hundred years. The polling I did in the mid-1980s with the Viguerie group showed no more than 5% support for a strict constitutional approach even among conservatives. That would be less than 2% of the nation as a whole.

Just walk down the street of any major city and see how many people you see who look like they would be our kind of "conservative of liberty". Not many, and if you start trying to talk to those people, you'll get a lot of blank stares and shrugged shoulders in response. Sadly, I think the votes Ron Paul is receiving (between 4-6%) are all we can realistically expect from a media reliant populace with little motivation to do their political homework. Even without the media blackout, I don't think our support levels would rise much above 10%.

The PTB, in my opinion, seem to be doing all they can--the economic crisis notwithstanding--to make sure people stay relatively untouched by it all, right up until the next war when it will be too late to change things. Their key tactic to keep the people from rebelling is to use deficit spending in lieu of raising taxes to pay for these disastrous foreign and domestic policies. Don't let the public feel the pain and they won't resist. Even when the tragedy of nuclear war comes, no one will be able to stop the war once it starts. To decry government treason in time of war would bring upon oneself the title of traitor. No one will tolerate any "disloyalty" to our troops who go marching off to save the NWO in the name of "God, County and, yes, the Constitution"--which will be meaningless by then.

We must keep fighting to convert, prepare and bolster that 5% of people who will constitute a remnant and a resistance in that day, but we must not delay the physical preparations for hard times lest we have nothing to survive with when social unrest, starvation and panic come upon us.

Even if you disagree with my negative long-term assessment, don't bet against my words. It may be tempting to think that since it has taken such a long time to undermine our liberties, this slow pace of loss will continue at the same rate. It may do so for a few more years, but when this attack on America comes--and not by a tiny group of rogue terrorists--it will come in an instant, suddenly, and almost without warning. As Gary North would say, "Don't bet on making the last train out." Prepare well in advance.


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An aquainntance who is a Ron Paul supporter sent this to me. I thought it would spice things up here on FR.
1 posted on 02/08/2008 7:12:49 PM PST by Rennes Templar
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To: Rennes Templar

Makes me want to buy some stock: symbol AA.


2 posted on 02/08/2008 7:17:10 PM PST by Keith in Iowa ( <<<Say NO! to Juan McAmnesty!>>>!!! <<<Life's a bitch, don't elect one President.>>>)
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To: Rennes Templar
An aquainntance who is a Ron Paul supporter sent this to me.

Did he send you a supply of tinfoil, as well.

3 posted on 02/08/2008 7:21:12 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Keith in Iowa

Very peculiar fellow or enlightened prognosticator— only his therapist knows for sure.


4 posted on 02/08/2008 7:27:42 PM PST by mathurine
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To: okie01

Why make fun?


5 posted on 02/08/2008 7:28:00 PM PST by nygoose
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To: Rennes Templar

This reads like a Cirque de Soleile contortionist looks.


6 posted on 02/08/2008 7:33:15 PM PST by Atchafalaya
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To: Rennes Templar

CUE THE PAUL JOKES!!


7 posted on 02/08/2008 7:33:28 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (The Constitution does not give me the authority to run your life - Ron Paul)
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To: nygoose
Why not?

It was, after all, a conspiracy theorist's conspiracy theory.

Don't you find them humorous?

I'm not particularly pleased with the choices we had or the outcome of the primaries, either. But I'm not inclined to blame some mysterious "them".

8 posted on 02/08/2008 7:35:10 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Rennes Templar
but when this attack on America comes-...

Is there really an "America" left to be attacked? I wonder that more and more often these days.

9 posted on 02/08/2008 7:37:54 PM PST by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: Rennes Templar
Ah yes, the truly diabolical plot to bring about a nuclear world war III, which cleverly sidestepped its Cuban missile crisis chance and all its other chances in the 70s etc, all to first maneuver John McCain into office, because the globalist conspiracy controls everything in all countries but still can't seem to even plant some WMDs in Iraq, and...

No wait...

...

10 posted on 02/08/2008 7:39:58 PM PST by JasonC
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To: Rennes Templar
That Justin dude is a commie scumbag. I do agree that the process is tainted by a media who only covers a chosen few. It looks like this election is working perfectly for liberals so far. They will almost certainly win the election when Senor McCain loses his liberal support to a real liberal opponent. America’s political system is FUBAR and in need of a final implosion. Maybe after the disaster of a McCain, Hillary or Obama presidency it can be cleansed and put back where it belongs, in the people’s hands.
11 posted on 02/08/2008 7:43:26 PM PST by peeps36 (OUTLAWED WORDS--INSURGENT,GLOBAL WARMING,UNDOCUMENTED WORKER,PALESTINIAN,TERMINATED PREGNANCY)
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To: Rennes Templar

Sounds crazy to me on the surface. Then I think about how no matter which of these idiot political parties wins office, the results keep sliding us further toward socialism, loss of freedom, and being overrun by illegal invaders. Then I start to wonder who is really the crazy one.


12 posted on 02/08/2008 7:47:23 PM PST by badbass
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To: Rennes Templar
“More and more people are cynical and angry over media bias, carefully timed big name endorsements that sway ignorant voters, and back room party deals (yet to come) that are specifically aimed at thwarting the ever-growing dissatisfaction of voters with the hollow promises of change. Those that spend a considerable amount of time pondering the issues and candidate positions (both real and feigned) are in the minority of each party. But, they are at least twice as active as passive and manipulated voters—and they don’t like what they see ahead.”

And this just in, there’s gambling in Vagas!

13 posted on 02/08/2008 7:50:26 PM PST by jpf
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To: Rennes Templar

I think a third party might have a chance to put a scare into both parties like Perot did in 1992. It will not be Ron Paul. I think Lou Dobbs could have that chance. This article did not mention illegal immigration, but that is 800 pound gorilla in the room that Senators Clinton, Obama, and McCain want to avoid like the plague. If someone wants to hit which ever of the three these two corrupt parties nominate, then illegal immigration is their feet of clay.


14 posted on 02/08/2008 7:55:08 PM PST by Biblebelter (I will NEVER EVER vote for McCain or any other current Senator.)
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To: Rennes Templar

zzzzzz


15 posted on 02/08/2008 7:55:54 PM PST by nuf said (I am, therefore I think.)
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To: Rennes Templar
carefully timed big name endorsements that sway ignorant voters

We have little control over the MSM or big name endorsements. That's out of our control (well maybe our side chould work towards infiltration of MSM but that's a long term play). I guess we can whine about it, protest, stay in denial and the like. But McCain got there because of voters.

So the root problem IMO is "ignorant voters". That can be dealt with. Reagan reached these voters as well as moderates and people of all stripes. We need a serious recruitment process to get conservative politicians that can speak and persuade and reach people throughout state legislatures, governorships and Congress. We have a deficiency of conservative leaders.

16 posted on 02/08/2008 8:01:50 PM PST by plain talk
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To: The Duke
"Is there really an "America" left to be attacked?"

The attack is well underway from within. What used to be a two-party system has devolved into a two-pronged attack by the single, ruling Republimediacrat Party. Unless a viable second party emerges, and quickly, we will end up tripping down the same path of virtually every other nation-state that has ever tried single party rule.

17 posted on 02/08/2008 8:09:55 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Rennes Templar

I’m open to a conspiracy theory, but I need to see some hard evidence. Mere suspicions and assertions aren’t evidence.


18 posted on 02/08/2008 8:15:54 PM PST by devere
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To: Rennes Templar; All

Cliffs?

anyone... please?


19 posted on 02/08/2008 8:19:02 PM PST by KarenMarie
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To: Rennes Templar
The author does not value the arena of Ideas.

The people who win are the people who capture the most minds...for WHATEVER reason.

There's no such thing as mind control ... forcing people to pull the lever for one candidate or another.

20 posted on 02/08/2008 8:22:36 PM PST by Mariner
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To: Rennes Templar
A VIEW FROM THE PTB: Let's look at the options from the view of the Powers That Be (PTB) based upon my general theory that these are globalists attempting to maneuver us into a New World Order through the vehicle of conflict--more wars of intervention and an eventual nuclear World War III.

Until I got to this paragraph I was starting to take this guy seriously. But starting a Nuclear World War in order to achieve some globalist view of the perfect future is just so much nonsense. Nobody, well nobody but some idiot Jihadist, would even consider such a thing. There are easier ways than dropping bombs to achieve their goals - for instance they could simply wait since we seem to be heading there on our own.

21 posted on 02/08/2008 8:27:09 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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If you check out the direct link, it also goes into the 9/11 Truthers crap, that it was an American set up.
Typical L Ron Paul supporter crapOla.


22 posted on 02/08/2008 8:28:01 PM PST by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: Rennes Templar
I'll begin by commenting on the political assessment of Justin Raimondo in his piece, "The Winter of Our Discontent,"

I got this far, and needed to read no further.

23 posted on 02/08/2008 8:28:12 PM PST by Defiant (Dems=Bolsheviks; GOP=Mensheviks. America=Free Market Capitalism and Liberty.)
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To: Rennes Templar

http://faultgame.com/images/twilzone.wav


24 posted on 02/08/2008 8:30:06 PM PST by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense? Don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: Rennes Templar

This is out of the L Ron Paul - George Soros 9/11 Truthers
crap. The direct link takes you into that realm of the Twlightlight Zone


25 posted on 02/08/2008 8:31:21 PM PST by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: SoCalPol

Is there still time for Cheney to run?


26 posted on 02/08/2008 8:40:13 PM PST by Snapping Turtle (Slow down and get a grip!)
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To: Rennes Templar
A very good read, tell your acquaintance thankyou, this collum would be great on a regular basis.

***An aquainntance who is a Ron Paul supporter sent this to me. I thought it would spice things up here on FR.***

27 posted on 02/08/2008 8:46:10 PM PST by msnpatriot
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To: Biblebelter
"This article did not mention illegal immigration, but that is 800 pound gorilla in the room that Senators Clinton, Obama, and McCain want to avoid like the plague."

I think they ignore this for the same reason they do it in Europe. Because they need the immigrants to help fund the massive entitlement program tsunami coming as the baby boomers continue retiring and needing medical services over the next 20 years. The younger the immigrant the better because you can bleed them longer before they become a drag on the system. That and the incentive of cheap labor for big contributors.

28 posted on 02/08/2008 8:47:07 PM PST by joebuck
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To: Snapping Turtle

Is there still time for Cheney to run?

His Dau. Liz would make a great Senate candidate
or a cabinate post


29 posted on 02/08/2008 8:55:47 PM PST by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: Rennes Templar

Any article that quotes Justin Raimondo as a serious source is a tub o’ $#!+...


30 posted on 02/08/2008 10:09:40 PM PST by El Conservador ("Liberalism is the application of childish emotion to complex issues." - MrB)
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To: Rennes Templar

he wants out by the end of ‘08, and so do most Americans

Kind of long winded for me but I did get as far as the above statement and I don’t think that you speak for most Americans!


31 posted on 02/08/2008 10:40:36 PM PST by garylmoore (Faith is the assurance of things unseen.)
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To: Rennes Templar
Interesting article - and anyone the media hates is worth looking at. We see how their manipulation has worked so far - the ones they endorsed are in the lead - and out of all the candidates that through their hat in the ring. Strange how the GOP knows McCain is a timebomb besides all his other negatives and the one everyone hates - both disliked yet in the lead.

Thanks.
32 posted on 02/08/2008 11:17:29 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: garylmoore

Hey brother! Your tagline encouraged me. No weapon formed against us shall prosper; who The Son set free, is free indeed; fear not, for I have no given you a spirit of fear..; we are in the world, but not of the world; Thy Kingdom come, Thy Will be done.

On that note, I can go get some rest now.


33 posted on 02/08/2008 11:31:24 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Rennes Templar
a bit long but thanks for the article.
i heard recently that every generation has an end of the world psychology. you might say this keeps the quick on their toes. anyway people don’t like
the uncertainty of change. so they find a leader. ron paul, imo, likes the
constitution the way it was the day after the bill of rights was signed.
in this world bill gates wields 60 billion dollars, everyone hopes he does the right thing. in the mean time intel invents a chip with 20B transistors that can
sit on the head of a pin. i say store up your good deeds in heaven and while
your at it grab some popcorn.
34 posted on 02/09/2008 12:41:00 AM PST by machenation ("it can't happen here" Frank Zappa)
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To: Mariner
please remember your old startrek.
“there are witches there are witches”
mind control based on fear.
35 posted on 02/09/2008 12:41:03 AM PST by machenation ("it can't happen here" Frank Zappa)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Knock, knock...

Who’s there?

Ron.

Ron who?

Exactly.

How many Ron Paul supporters does it take to screw in a light bulb?

1 but with 81,390 twists of the wrist.

Ron Paul supporters are easy to recognize, their signature headgear, when properly applied also keeps fat from dripping on your grill and flaring up. Also his name is Barry.

Ron Paul supporters not only appear when his name is invoked 3 times, it drives them crazy, an admittedly short trip.

The Federal Reserve killed most of Ron Paul’s supporters puppies.

If you’re bitten by a Ron Paul supporter if you don’t become one, you do become a carrier.

Where do Ron Paul supporters have their meetups? A house of mirrors.

Ron Paul supporters never get sick and can only be killed by decapitating them. There can be/is only one.

When Ron Paul returns to the Earth, his followers believe he will restore the constitution so well that the ink will smell wet and also miraculously restore the moat around America to its pre-civil war glory.

To a Ron Paul supporter the first 10 amendments to the U.S. Constitution are collectively known as the Bill of WRONGS!

Every time a bell rings a Ron Paul supporter get his mouth very salivated.

Ron Paul supporters think everyone who doesn’t support him fears him like they fear getting abducted by aliens, again.

When the feces found in the U.S. Capital was determined to be Ron Paul’s, his supporters were quick to hail it the best idea, anywhere, ever and also delicious.

If Ron Paul falls in a forest, his supporter(s) will claim it’s because gravity is inherently unconstitutional.

Some claim Ron Paul supporters spam online polls, the truth is they just all have the same I.P. address because... Hey! LOOK kittens!

The most ardent of Ron Paul’s followers think the US government is too big when it has more people than the secret number Ron Paul has written on his magic anti-alien hemp underpants.

What’s the difference between Abraham Lincoln and Ron Paul?
Abraham Lincoln has already been shot.

What’s Ron Paul’s favorite form of excercise?
An evening Constitutional.

Why does Ron Paul support the Constitution?
He remembers when it was signed.

Never trust a man with two first names.

The Congress Majority Leader, Minority Leader, and Ron Paul walk into a bar. The bartender says, “You guys look sad. What’s the problem?”
The Majority Leader says, “I’m under inditement for laundering money.”
The Minority Leader says, “I’m under inditement for taking corporate bribes.”
Ron Paul says, “I’m poor.”

Why did Ron Paul go to the NRA meeting topless?
To show his support for the right to bare arms.

What did Ron Paul say to the illegal immigrant?
Adios.

Ron Paul began thinking about the problems in America. First, he thought about our involvement in foreign wars and the loss of American lives overseas, and he cried a tear. Then, he thought about our loss of liberties at home, and he cried another tear. That’s why he’s called a second-tear candidate.

Why is Ron Paul in such good health at his age?
He has a strong Constitution.

Why didn’t Ron Paul ever go to work while he was a Congressman?
He only read the first sentence in the Bill of Rights, “Congress shall pass no law.” That being the case, he went home.

Why doesn’t Ron Paul ever turn off the lights?
That kind of on-again/off-again policy is against his principles.

I asked Ron Paul what was 427 * 63 and he answered “States’ rights.”


36 posted on 02/09/2008 12:48:21 AM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Rennes Templar

37 posted on 02/09/2008 12:57:53 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.)
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To: Rennes Templar
"Raimundo speaks too soon"

And too often!

"Obama's amazing rise is due almost entirely to his position on the war"

I disagree. That empty suit runs on charisma alone.

"While FDR was a Democrat, he ran on Republican style principles in order to get elected. Hillary can't do that."

What promise fiscal discipline and limiting Fed power, never deliver and tax us for it? FDR did, Bush did and so can Hillary!

38 posted on 02/09/2008 1:03:12 AM PST by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: Rennes Templar

Bump for later read!


39 posted on 02/09/2008 1:11:35 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Second To None!)
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To: Joe 6-pack
The other day I saw a lady on a religious program lecturing about "How to succeed in business despite the disadvantage of being Christian". This caused me to think back to my teenage years (which was only the 70's) when to American's such prejudice was basically unimaginable.

I couldn't help but think that we're already not the same people we once were, and to wonder how many soldiers who perished on the battlefield in this nation's wars might have had second thoughts about that sacrifice had they known what we were to become.

40 posted on 02/09/2008 1:36:47 AM PST by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: The Duke
There’s gonna be a tipping point when the masses will say “enough,” and it aint gonna be pretty.
41 posted on 02/09/2008 1:40:41 AM PST by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: Rennes Templar
I wonder if McCain really does have this wrapped up.

With Romney only suspending his campaign, retaining his delegates, and Huckabee standing alone as the conservatives last alternative to avoiding a McCain candidacy, it may not be as settled as the media want us to believe.

42 posted on 02/09/2008 1:45:39 AM PST by airborne (I'm leaving the Republican Party! They do not represent me or my values!)
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To: Rennes Templar

Ron Paul = Ross Perot = Clinton elected.


43 posted on 02/09/2008 2:18:49 AM PST by browniexyz
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To: Rennes Templar
Jus' lub dem 5%.

NOT.

We have a very special 5% already ~ we call them the Country Club Republicans. They are found mostly in party mechanics ~ in the good old days, before McCain/Seinfeld (?) and other CFR stuff they were actually called upon to finance the party in return for their positions of authority.

These days they aren't doing us all that much good; else we'd have a candidate for President who was a good match for the broad masses of Republicans, and not all that good a match for the Senate Democrats.

Still, I'm not sure I'd trade the Country Clubbers for the Paulistas ~ probably get more of the same, but less cash at the end.

44 posted on 02/09/2008 3:16:35 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: okie01

Your use of the word tinfoil is childish and unbecoming. It does not reflect a seriousness of purpose on your part.


45 posted on 02/09/2008 4:38:56 AM PST by nygoose
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To: Rennes Templar
I got this far: "...that sway ignorant voters... and that's it. If your original premise is that everyone but YOU is too stupid to realize what is going on, then there's no point in anyone else reading any further, is there?
Therefore the author can read this to himself every day if he likes. It's rather like one television set watching another, isn't it?
46 posted on 02/09/2008 5:56:46 AM PST by Ignatz ( RENT THIS SPACE!)
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To: Rennes Templar

btt


47 posted on 02/09/2008 6:00:20 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Rennes Templar

[A VIEW FROM THE PTB: Let’s look at the options from the view of the Powers That Be (PTB) based upon my general theory that these are globalists attempting to maneuver us into a New World Order through the vehicle of conflict—more wars of intervention and an eventual nuclear World War III.]

No one can stop the war the fools will bring on us by their relentless and ignorant pursuit of an utopian government that can not exist until the Lord and Savior Jesus comes and destroys all wicked governments from off the earth in the 7 year tribulation, followed by HIS 1000 year worldwide rule of the whole earth, He being King of the earth and ruling from Zion.
Post modernism run by globalists will bring a war that only God’s Christ will save us from. The Church is the body of Christ, born again believers of Scripture who are saved from worthless religion.
Don’t believe it? You’ll see! Choose Jesus of Nazareth as your saviour and believe His word and save yourselves from the blood to come.


48 posted on 02/09/2008 6:11:54 AM PST by kindred (The GOP is the proverbial barrel of rotten apples, vote Alan Keyes, a conservative.)
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To: okie01; Rennes Templar; Keith in Iowa; mathurine; Atchafalaya; Ignatz; nygoose; muawiyah; ...
But I'm not inclined to blame some mysterious "them

Who schedules the primaries so this one is early, that one is latter? Who punishes states by stripping them of their delegates for trying to move their caucus/primary up to an earlier date? Who decides if it is a primary or a caucus? Who decided if a primary, in an early state, is open and that one is closed? Who decides to hype the media coverage of say a certain Candide squeaking out a win in state A and ignoring him getting blown by double digits in State B? How is it that the media spends 90% more time talking about Candidate A, who finished 4th in Iowa then they do talking about Candidate B who pulled a surprising 3 place finish? Why do party politicians line up, like good little whores, to all endorse a specific candidate? Who decides the timing of those endorsements to make sure they have maximum impact on the voter's?

The process is manipulated. It just done in such a way most of you never notice.

This habit of adopting contempt without knowing is a serious weakness in Americans. We are all so sure that everyone is exactly as our teachers and or our TVs tell us.

No, powerful people are powerful mainly because they know how to make their own luck. Powerful people try to keep that power. It not some evil plot where the faceless evil ones sit around and pick who will win this or that election. But by controlling the scheduling and structure of things the connected make an outcome more likely.

That one of the reasons nothing ever changes. People automatically dismiss this sort of information as "kooky". The author does have some valid points. There is some nuttiness to this article sure, but there is some validity to the points being made.

The Primaries are rigged. That doesn't mean they are not honest competitions but that they are structured and gamed as much as possible so that the Party Chiefs, not us peons, pick the candidate.

You all would be wise to not sneer so quickly at what you are being told. The author gets it more right then wrong.

49 posted on 02/09/2008 6:18:44 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Reagan's 11th Commandment is now in effect)
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To: joebuck
The younger the immigrant the better because you can bleed them longer before they become a drag on the system. That and the incentive of cheap labor for big contributors.

Absoultely nailed it. This is even more true for Europe then the USA. Europe is facing a demographic disaster. Think tanks etc have looked at it and they figured virtually unlimited Immigration, rather then reforming the system, is the only viable solution. They sold that to the poltiical class in both the US and the EU. They took the easy answer rather then the correct one.

50 posted on 02/09/2008 6:26:24 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Reagan's 11th Commandment is now in effect)
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