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The Right Is Wrong on McCain
The Wall Street Journal ^ | February 9, 2008 | Robert McFarlane

Posted on 02/09/2008 10:32:20 AM PST by TenYearLurker

There's an old Groucho Marx riff in which he launches a new career as a stick-up artist -- while worrying that his native cowardice may not induce the requisite fear among his victims. Sure enough, after a little time in a dark alley he springs out to confront his first victim, points his gun to his own head and says, "Take one step closer and I'll kill myself."

Such is the posture today among pundits on the far right of the Republican Party as Sen. John McCain moves closer to receiving his party's nomination. Consider the destructive implications of their pledge to work against Mr. McCain's nomination and even -- in the event he is nominated -- not to vote in the general election. Start with where it would leave our country -- presumably under the leadership of either Democrat candidate -- in the two domains where we will face critical challenges in the years ahead: our national security and the threat of an economic meltdown.

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1 posted on 02/09/2008 10:32:22 AM PST by TenYearLurker
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To: TenYearLurker

Washington insider defends a brother.


2 posted on 02/09/2008 10:34:35 AM PST by Biblebelter (I will NEVER EVER vote for McCain or any other current Senator.)
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To: TenYearLurker

10 year lurker ? welcome to FR seems inappropriate...but it’s the best we got.

welcome to FR


3 posted on 02/09/2008 10:35:06 AM PST by stylin19a
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To: TenYearLurker

Welcome.

Once again the idiots can’t grasp the concept that insulting us is not a winning strategy. They can sling insults and jokes all they want but in the end RINOs will need to learn to blame themselves once in a while.


4 posted on 02/09/2008 10:35:24 AM PST by cripplecreek (Duncan Hunter, Conservative excellence in action.)
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To: TenYearLurker

My wife and I both think McCain is a wrong choice for President. I guess two wrongs make us Right!


5 posted on 02/09/2008 10:36:26 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: cripplecreek

Conservatives just say SHOW ME JOHN


6 posted on 02/09/2008 10:37:10 AM PST by JaneNC (I)
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To: TenYearLurker
I strongly suggest you McCain supporters might want to quit singing the Cult of Personality song in praise of McCain. People here know his real record. Chanting slogans about how great McCain is isn’t going to sell with Freepers. We know better. We know his political record.

Being spun to belive in a McCain we know has never existed does not convince us to support him, it angers us because we know we are being lied to.

Right now McCain supporters best tactic is to simply post what the Democrat candidates are saying on any issue that pisses Conservatives off. Your only hope is that the Democrats manage to scare Conservatives more then McCain pisses them off.

I have no doubt most Conservatives will be scared into supporting McCain in Nov by the Democrats. Simply saying “Well they are worse” “or “McCain is really a great Conservative” isn’t going to work. We know better. We know McCain’s real record.

What I suggest is McCain supporters simply post what the Democrats Candidates are saying on what ever issues the person angry at McCain is posting about. If they are mad about taxes, post what Obama and Hillary plans are on taxes. Mad on immigration post their immigration plan.

The Democrats themselves are your best chance of changing peoples minds about McCain. Telling us what a great guy he is isn’t going to sell to Feepers. We know his real record on things like Iraq. His real record differs quite a bit from the air brushed one presented by his campaign

I personally think it is a waste of time. I think McCain’s record has so poisoned the well that McCain supporters are wasting their time. However, if McCainiacs are going to keep spaming the board with McCain ads, they might at well at least TRY to be effective, rather then merely annoying.

7 posted on 02/09/2008 10:37:23 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Reagan's 11th Commandment is now in effect)
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To: TenYearLurker

WSJ is proamnesty, of course they like mcccain.
HOW DO THEY THINK INSULTING US WILL WIN US?


8 posted on 02/09/2008 10:37:30 AM PST by libbylu (Ann and I will be campaigning for Hill. Still a MITTen.)
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To: TenYearLurker
Pretty different to lurk for ten years and then post an article about Rino's on the first day you register. I look back over the ten years and there are literally thousands of topics and statements that would have flushed me out of the lurk. I respect your patience, TYL.
9 posted on 02/09/2008 10:38:22 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: TenYearLurker

He hopes we hate her more than we hate him.


10 posted on 02/09/2008 10:38:45 AM PST by Sybeck1 (The Big Tent Fell and Squashed the Elephant.)
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To: TenYearLurker

11 posted on 02/09/2008 10:39:25 AM PST by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: TenYearLurker
Those guys over at WSJ don't know what they're talking about.

For one thing a lot of it is "venting", and Fur Shur no one at WSJ is allowed to vent, nor is someone with a "venting" personality type even allowed to apply for employment there.

Closed shop. Closed little minds. No blood in their veins anyway.

Sure, there'll be some folks who don't vote but there won't be a big campaign to not vote. All of us know that if McCain makes the big office we'll have plenty of time to harrass him, and bring pressure on him, and make him wish for the release of resignation or death.

John McCain's time as President will be a living hell because even his best friends are going to tell him he's nuts until he has a total cerebral blow-out.

Revenge is best served cold you know.

12 posted on 02/09/2008 10:39:36 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: TenYearLurker
Congratulations and welcome to the club.

"Bobby Jindal, the governor of Louisiana, could be the next Ronald Reagan." (638.60 KB pdf file

We need one page of these that are fronts and, one page of these for the backs, that we can print and cut, to fill the prepaid envelopes from the RNC and the ACU.

There will be a price to pay for supporting McCain.

We can vote conservative on Senate and House primary seats, and vote for anyone other than McCain on the Presidential seat, including a democrat in the general election.

13 posted on 02/09/2008 10:39:46 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: TenYearLurker

WSJ loves open boarders so it’s no surprise they love McCain.


14 posted on 02/09/2008 10:39:55 AM PST by DManA
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To: TenYearLurker
McCain can't win.

15 posted on 02/09/2008 10:40:09 AM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: TenYearLurker
Welcome to FreeRepublic...er um, posting anyway ;)

I take issue with this quote:Start with where it would leave our country -- presumably under the leadership of either Democrat candidate --

Voting for him would still leave our country under the leadership of a Democrat candidate...he just happens to have an R by his name.

If Republicans want to vote for him fine, but as a Conservative, I'm chosing to find someone else who actually represents my beliefs....even if that means writing in someone. My vote is too precious a gift to waste on someone that I feel doesn't adequately represent me. I'm tired of being told I'm wrong for feeling this way. If others chose to use their vote for McCain so be it. I don't agree with them, but I'm not going to say they are wrong - and I expect others to respect my decision to not support someone that has only spit in my general direction whenever the opportunity presents itself.
16 posted on 02/09/2008 10:40:20 AM PST by IMissPresidentReagan ("When you can't make them see the light; make them feel the heat." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: MNJohnnie

17 posted on 02/09/2008 10:41:49 AM PST by alicewonders (Conservative without a country.)
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To: TenYearLurker

`Sup.

WSJ is wrong on conservatives.

Songbird`s ACU rating since 1998 places him as the 5th worst “republican” in the Senate.

( http://www.townhall.com/blog/ )


18 posted on 02/09/2008 10:42:57 AM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: TenYearLurker

Dear Mr. Robert McFarlane,

Your points are worth squat after McCain devastates the American economy with tens of millions of new illegals (95% of which will be registered as Democrats) and his adherence to global warming dogma.

50 million Mexicans added to our population in the next 10 years will turn the US into a third world country. So at that point we are to give a crap about Saudi oil?

And it is moot anyway. I don’t see McCain getting elected with or without the help of we on the “far right”. Far right as defined by you. We could all be singing his praises tonight, he still can’t win the general election. Liberals that vote for liberals vote for the ones with (D) after their names, not (R).


19 posted on 02/09/2008 10:43:02 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: TenYearLurker

The 33% of the Republican Party that gave us McCain, including apparently McFarlane, had best get busy on the phone banks, fund raising, and lit drops; because the folks who have done this grunt work for the last 7 Presidential campaigns will be sitting this one out.


20 posted on 02/09/2008 10:43:09 AM PST by Faraday
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To: DManA

Bill to improve health care…in Mexico! McCain strikes again!

http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/2008/02/bill-to-improve-health-carein-mexico.html


21 posted on 02/09/2008 10:43:54 AM PST by AuntB ('If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: TenYearLurker

Bienvenidos a Free Republica.
McCain es loco in la cabeza.


22 posted on 02/09/2008 10:44:26 AM PST by tumblindice
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To: MNJohnnie; TenYearLurker

McCain’s lousy record speaks for itself. From voting against the tax cuts to amnesty for illegal aliens.

I am not going to say that I will sit out the elections. I will still vote for the most conservative candidates in Washington state.

But I am not going to vote for McCain because Hillary is worse.

If he picks a true conservative for his running mate then maybe, just maybe, I might reconsider. I’m not talking about Huckabee or some other rino. I’m talking about someone like Duncan Hunter or Jeff Sessions or Ted Poe.

I’m not even sure that McCain is going to try to court the conservative base. I heard either on Hannity or Levin that he was proud of the fact that he can attract independents and moderates.

I expect he’ll just continue to thumb his nose at us.

A vote for McCain is a vote for Juan Hernandez.


23 posted on 02/09/2008 10:47:01 AM PST by ReluctantDragon
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To: TenYearLurker
Consider the destructive implications of their pledge to work against Mr. McCain's nomination and even -- in the event he is nominated -- not to vote in the general election.

It's past consideration for McCain will be the next Bob Dole.

His chances against Hitlery or Obama in the general aren't big enough to plug a gnat's a$$.

24 posted on 02/09/2008 10:47:05 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: All

To Robert Mcfarlane:

Job Applications for Sec of Defense and National Security Advisor should be went to Barrack Obama. (Not that I’m questioning your motives or anything)


25 posted on 02/09/2008 10:48:59 AM PST by rbmillerjr (Big Government Evangelicals.....leading conservatives to Landslide 2012)
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To: JaneNC; jveritas
Conservatives just say SHOW ME JOHN

He's already shown me in the one area I need to secure my vote for him.

Quoting jveritas: "Many months ago when the time was tough in Iraq and McCain was down in the polls they asked him how do you support an unpopular war that is causing your poll numbers to be very low, he replied: 'I would rather lose and elections than lose the war', those are the words of a man who will make a great Commander in Chief."

What kind of showing is required by that subset of conservatves who share your view of McCain?

26 posted on 02/09/2008 10:50:32 AM PST by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: cripplecreek
"Never trust the advice of a man in difficulties."
-- Aesop

"Advice after injury is like medicine after death"
-- Old Proverb

"If your strength is small, don't carry heavy burdens. If your words are worthless, don't give advice."
-- Chinese Proverb


27 posted on 02/09/2008 10:50:48 AM PST by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: TenYearLurker
No surprise. The WSJ wants more illegal slave labor.

Juan McShamnesty will work to get it for them.

28 posted on 02/09/2008 10:51:42 AM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: Faraday

>> The 33% of the Republican Party that gave us McCain, including apparently McFarlane, had best get busy on the phone banks, fund raising, and lit drops; because the folks who have done this grunt work for the last 7 Presidential campaigns will be sitting this one out.

You nailed it. A lot of us will probably hold our noses and pull the lever for McCain, but it won’t be enough.

I may or may not end up voting for the lesser of the evils — haven’t decided yet. But it’s for sure that I won’t part with my hard-earned dough or time for him.


29 posted on 02/09/2008 10:52:12 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Retire Ron Paul! Support Chris Peden (www.chrispeden.org))
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To: TenYearLurker

I’m not convinced yet that Hillary would be worse than McCain in the War on Terror. I don’t know if McCain has very good judgment. On one hand I can see him doing something stupid without consulting more knowledgeable experts. On the other hand he seems overly anxious in wanting the media to love him and might cave if he received any bad press whatsoever.


30 posted on 02/09/2008 10:52:57 AM PST by faq
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To: TenYearLurker

"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies."

31 posted on 02/09/2008 10:53:19 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: TenYearLurker
"Take one step closer and I'll kill myself."

Reminds me of this


32 posted on 02/09/2008 10:53:54 AM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: TenYearLurker

I find it odd that TenYearLurker hasn’t responded to any of the comments so far. I still don’t know where he was coming from in posting this article.

Do you agree or disagree with it TenYearLurker?

Or are you just a shill for McCain?


33 posted on 02/09/2008 10:53:56 AM PST by ReluctantDragon
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To: TenYearLurker

My favorite groucho line is “I would never join a club that would allow someone like me to become a member”.


34 posted on 02/09/2008 10:54:12 AM PST by RobRoy
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To: TenYearLurker

LOL. McFarlane... what an appropriate endorsement for the Global Warming crusader.


35 posted on 02/09/2008 10:54:34 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: TenYearLurker

Keating 5, gang of 14, McCain-Feingold.. etc etc etc...


36 posted on 02/09/2008 10:55:12 AM PST by Darksheare (Do you or anyone you know suffer from Bunny on the Head?)
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To: Racehorse; JaneNC

“What kind of showing is required . . . “

There are three standards: “beyond a reasonable doubt”; “by clear and convincing evidence” or “by a preponderance of the evidence”, (in other words, it is more likely than not).

By which one of those standards do either of you think candidate McCain has proven he is a conservative?


37 posted on 02/09/2008 10:58:56 AM PST by tumblindice (case dismissed)
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To: TenYearLurker
We're going to hear this sh!t for the next nine months...

And it's going to be annoying right up until the day of the election because the whole time we'll know two things for certain: McCain is a worthless POS and the next President of the United States is going to be a Democrat.

38 posted on 02/09/2008 10:59:48 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: ReluctantDragon
Or are you just a shill for McCain?

All the guy (or gal) did was post an article. Nobody posts to every article they post. Especially not the first.

And if he (or she) should happen to be a shill for McCain, wael, whoopee do, tomodachi, I'll give him (or her) a helping, enthusiastic hand.

39 posted on 02/09/2008 10:59:53 AM PST by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: TenYearLurker

Your in for a rough 1st day here TenYearLurker, you will find most FReepers prefer the anti-military and pro-choice candidates Hillary or Obama over McCain in here.


40 posted on 02/09/2008 11:00:01 AM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: TenYearLurker

The problem is that McCain has sided with the Democrat, blame America first crowd on every part of homeland security, except Iraq and Afghanistan.

McCain can’t do the job of keeping America safe!


41 posted on 02/09/2008 11:00:03 AM PST by Eva (Benedict Arnold was a war hero, too.)
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To: TenYearLurker
There is something John McCain could do to sway me to vote for him. If he successfully caused the McCain-Feingold legislation to be totally repealed before the election, I might have to reassess.
42 posted on 02/09/2008 11:00:08 AM PST by Texas Gal
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To: ReluctantDragon

I have no intention of sitting out the election. Since there is no chance of a conservative becoming president, it is CRITICAL that we outdo expectations in Congress.

If we can hold or improve our position in Congress, and give them an opponent like Hillary to fight, we can come out way ahead!


43 posted on 02/09/2008 11:00:21 AM PST by Mr Rogers (WIN CONGRESS! - The Presidency is already lost.)
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To: TenYearLurker
"Take one step closer and I'll kill myself."

Perfect description of the kiddies that are grabbing up their marbles and running home...

Thank God there seems to be some level headed adults in the party ranks that realize, as Romney and Thompson - and Bolton etc. - are saying:

"This is no longer about past preferences or differences. It is about what is best for our country and for me that means that Republican should close ranks behind John McCain,"

Our enemies are the communist/islamic RAts

We need to grow up and play the hand we have been dealt - not throw down the cards and run away with our knickers in a twist

44 posted on 02/09/2008 11:00:55 AM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: Racehorse; JaneNC; jveritas
What kind of showing is required by that subset of conservatves who share your view of McCain?

An honest once. Because the spin on McCain and Iraq is a lie. McCainiacs really got to stop trying to sell us a McCain we know does not exist.

McCain was father of the Baker Comission and the plan to sell out Iraq to Iran/Syria. He only started talking tough on Iraq when he was dead in the water politically and the Surge looked like it was producing results. He had no where else to go so he latched on to the Surge in desperation.

45 posted on 02/09/2008 11:02:13 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Reagan's 11th Commandment is now in effect)
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To: libbylu

“HOW DO THEY THINK INSULTING US WILL WIN US?”

The WSJ is arrogant and stupid like their candidate.


46 posted on 02/09/2008 11:02:40 AM PST by devere
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To: bill1952

Does that mean Lt. Worf is upset about this McCain business as well?


47 posted on 02/09/2008 11:02:59 AM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: TenYearLurker

It’s not McCain’s issues that make him so dispicable.

It’s the fact that he was the MAIN source behind media-lib-Democratic jihad against President Bush and Republicans the past eight years.

As someone who worked at a sizable newspaper, I was told in no uncertain terms that McCain was THE main “anonymous” source for many of the hate-Bush stories the national media published from 2000-2007.

I wouldn’t be surprised of McCain was the leaker to the NYT on some of the anti-Bush stories.

His claim to be this big proponent of “American prestige” falls flat when I consider all the embarrassment McCain has caused the Administration the past eight years.

Gitmo, “secret CIA” safe houses, waterboarding interrogations, and on and on.

McCain has such a viceral hatred of everything Bush his mental capacity has been clouded.

The only good that McCain will bring is a reduction in sleeping pill abuse.... because the man is so boring, voters will fall asleep just listening to his speeches.


48 posted on 02/09/2008 11:03:01 AM PST by Edit35
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To: TenYearLurker
This guy is confused. Suicide is picking a traitor to lead your own party. We will recover much faster if we lose than if we "win" with McCain.

BTW, at my GOP caucus today, many people cast their ballots before the candidate represenative speakers spoke, feeling certain about their votes. After the McCain speaker, the lady next to me said, "Can I change my vote." The McCain representative stood up and reminded everyone why they do not like or trust McCain. She was horrible. I clapped for everyone before and after just to be polite, except this lady. I clapped when she rose to the podium. I clapped after being told about McCain's torture experience. Then it went DOWN HILL and I could not clap at the end. Not even clap, let alone cast a vote. His own supporter was sorry she voted for him.

49 posted on 02/09/2008 11:04:24 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: TenYearLurker

Sure. We were very wrong about Bush also.


50 posted on 02/09/2008 11:06:45 AM PST by RetiredArmy (A man alone. Without a party. Without a political voice. Bush destroyed conservatives.)
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