Posted on 02/09/2008 6:25:24 PM PST by blam
Tooth Scan Reveals Neanderthal Mobility
By ELENA BECATOROS, Associated Press Writer
A 40,000-year-old tooth is seen in this undated hand out photo released by Greek Culture Ministry. Analysis of the tooth uncovered in southern Greece indicates for the first time that Neanderthals may have traveled more widely than previously thought, paleontologists announced on Friday, Feb. 8, 2008. (AP Photo/Greek Culture Ministry)
(AP) -- Analysis of a 40,000-year-old tooth found in southern Greece suggests Neanderthals were more mobile than once thought, paleontologists said Friday.
Analysis of the tooth - part of the first and only Neanderthal remains found in Greece - showed the ancient human had spent at least part of its life away from the area where it died.
"Neanderthal mobility is highly controversial," said paleoanthropologist Katerina Harvati at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany.
Some experts believe Neanderthals roamed over very limited areas, but others say they must have been more mobile, particularly when hunting, Harvati said.
Until now, experts only had indirect evidence, including stone used in tools, Harvati said. "Our analysis is the first that brings evidence from a Neanderthal fossil itself," she said.
The findings by the Max Planck Institute team were published in the Journal of Archaeological Science.
The tooth was found in a seaside excavation in Greece's southern Peloponnese region in 2002.
The team analyzed tooth enamel for ratios of a strontium isotope, a naturally occurring metal found in food and water. Levels of the metal vary in different areas.
Eleni Panagopoulou of the Paleoanthropology-Speleology Department of Southern Greece said the tooth's levels of strontium showed that the Neanderthal grew up at least 12.5 miles from the discovery site.
"Our findings prove that ... their settlement networks were broader and more organized than we believed," Panagopoulou said.
Clive Finlayson, an expert on Neanderthals and director of the Gibraltar Museum, disagreed with the finding's significance.
"I would have been surprised if Neanderthals didn't move at least 20 kilometers (12.5 miles) in their lifetime, or even in a year ... We're talking about humans, not trees," Finlayson said.
GGG Ping.
Wonder if they could get any DNA from that tooth...
Mummy lice found in Peru may give new clues about human migration
February 07, 2008
Lice from 1,000-year-old mummies in Peru may unravel important clues about a different sort of passage: the migration patterns of America’s earliest humans, a new University of Florida study suggests.
SNIP
...scientists may be able to link the 1,000-year-old lice found in the Western Hemisphere with those in Siberia or Mongolia, confirming existing theories that America’s earliest residents originated there, he said.
Had these immigrants traveled by land masses, there was a very small window of time, about 13,000 years ago, when the glaciers retreated enough to allow passage through the Bering Strait on the way to South America, Reed said. Another proposed theory is a seafaring route, but this would have required sophisticated oceangoing vessels for which no evidence from the time exists, he said.
http://www.physorg.com/news121610555.html
Not really. You are talking about a very advanced, exstinct ape. Neanderthal DNA is typically described as about halfway between ours and that of a chimpanzee.
Further proof that the Neanderthals died out due to lack of a proper Tooth Fairy.
If they’d had access to the Tooth Fairy Network, they’d have had plenty of the loose change that communities can scrape together to get them through the tough times.
Citation please.
The idea that human beings didn’t have seaworthy boats 13,500 years ago has pretty much been abandoned. It’s pretty obvious such boats existed and were in use, possibly since 50,000 years ago when Australia was first settled.
In my anthropology class, they could tell you everything you wanted to know about their lifestyle, social structure and religious practices just from a single tooth. These guys are pikers.
Posted here on FR:
Maybe but, I probably wouldn't like it, lol.
LOL. FReeper Coyoteman (Posts #3 & #7) has a PhD in archaeology and will appreciate that.
“Typically described” by whom? First I’ve ever heard that description...and IMNSHO, it’s a load of bollocks.
...dugouts in the Australia/New Guinea archipelago about 40,000 years ago ..Spain actually predated their invention in the Australia/New Guinea area...
(..am a research fanatic sometimes..sorry am just a layperson on this subject, the story and comment fascinated me..)Thanks
Well, you're right about that part. They were apes, (as are homo-sapiens), and they are extinct.
Neanderthal DNA is typically described as about halfway between ours and that of a chimpanzee.
Now that's a new one. I'm guessing that claim might have been made by the Discovery Institute.
Ahh, something non-political. Nothing like a little dentistry to relax the mind. ;^)
Did I tell you Sassy lost her tooth? Well she had her brother remove it as it hurt. Tooth fairy left her $5. In the morning she said I ONLY got $5 because I didn’t let it fall out. Looks like she thinks the tooth fairy has lots of money. lol.
I would be a little surprised too. 12.5 miles is an easy six hour hike.
btt
I just ate a T-bone steak that was from a mammoth. Mmmm. Burp!
It sounds like an ancient tooth has been revealed. I hope you all appreciate the cavity of the situation.
“The trees woodn’t make a comment.”
Why not? Seems like they should be able to get to the root of a problem like this. Of course, they may have a policy, “don’t ask, dental”. Or, they just don’t want to gum up the works.
They vacationed in Fluoride ?
Totally enameled with themselves ain’t they !
If you can’t beat ‘em, dentum. What’s good for the goose is good for the tartar.
Ivory scientist dreams of a discovery like this...
“Eleni Panagopoulou of the Paleoanthropology-Speleology Department”
Sounds suspiciously like Pangaea. Is this person a mouth-piece for the Global Plate Movement? I mean, Palate...
Her name sounds like a mouthful. I was going to try to make a pun out of it, but I know better than to bite off more than I can chew. I can usually come up with something in a matter of minutes, but that would take me more than a decayed.
In a case like that it’s best to brace oneself, and hold one’s tongue. Preferably your own.
Wait'll you get a chance to eat a T-bone from a T-Rex!
Best qualities of steak and chicken you can get!
By the way, don't ask for a drumstick. It'll flip your car over.
The Laplanders and other nomads of today still do - The Native Americans traveled great distances from winter quarters to summer quarters - weather and food were the determinant - well, that's what my theory would be.
Just WOW. The person died a whole 12.5 miles from where he grew up! They probably covered that distance in a days hunting.
Why would anyone think that 12.5 miles was even a different area?
Doctoral Student Makes Discovery On Neanderthal Eating Habits
G W Hatchett.com | 2-7-2008 | Michael Moffett
Posted on 02/07/2008 6:01:50 PM EST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966704/posts
The Neandertal EnigmaFrayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]
by James Shreeve
You have a lot of incise in this area. You'll be the first person I turn to for tooth wisdom.
No, Neanderthal DNA is not described as halfway between a chimp’s and a modern human’s.
I will humbly share my wisdom tooth crown with you. To be selfish would be immolar.
You can keep your crown to yourself, but I’ll put you on retainer.
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Please do a virtual edit on “Blast from the Past. Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.” I think I’d better just head to bed.
I’ve seen it said in similar ways a few times on FR, but haven’t looked elsewhere. :’)
http://www.freerepublic.com/~tomzz/
“This account has been banned or suspended.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1734438/posts?page=34#34
http://www.freerepublic.com/~medved/
“This account has been banned or suspended.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/582825/posts?page=32#32
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3b2952e10307.htm#16
On Retainer? Put it in writing. Oral contracts aren’t worth the paper they are written on. They’re toothless.
Researching this stuff must be full filling.
Speaking of teeth, why do dentists appear to be sad?
They are always looking down in the mouth.
Why oh why are they messing around with my Grandma Eve’s teeth?
"Comparisons with the DNA of modern humans and of apes showed the Neanderthal was about halfway between a modern human and a chimpanzee...."
Great puns. You guys should receive some sort of plaque for your efforts.
I expectorate at least an honorable mention.
Filo pita IMO. Flossing over the truth I suspect.........;o)
Just WOW. The person died a whole 12.5 miles from where he grew up! They probably covered that distance in a days hunting.
Ummmmmmmm, the data says that they were sedentary farmers!
We've sequenced about seven million bases so far. Based on analysis from the first million bases, Neandertals were like humans about 96 percent of the time [meaning: at the sites of the genome where modern humans and chimps differ, the Neandertal sequence was much more likely to resemble modern humans, while it was the same as the chimp only four percent of the time.]Neanderthal is classified in genus Homo, as are we. And, other than ourselves, Neanderthal is the next most modern and advanced species in that genus. No serious scientists classify Neanderthal anywhere near the apes.The parts we're really interested in are the four percent where Neandertals are like chimps rather than humans. We hope those genes will be those that confer higher executive function. Genes for talking, cognition, or brain development would be most exciting. We imagine that as people find new genes they suspect are unique to humans and are involved in higher-order cognition, we'll be able to compare to them the Neandertal genome and see if they are different. Source (emphasis added)
Didn't I correct you on some of these same points back in December?
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