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Scottish Masons' Mysterious Signatures In Stone To Be Recorded
24 Hour Museum ^ | 2-8-2008 | Courtesy Historic Scotland

Posted on 02/09/2008 6:38:15 PM PST by blam

SCOTTISH MASONS' MYSTERIOUS SIGNATURES IN STONE TO BE RECORDED

By 24 Hour Museum Staff 08/02/2008
Courtesy Historic Scotland

Mysterious symbols carved into Scotland’s medieval churches, castles and bridges are to be studied and recorded in a new scheme supported by Historic Scotland.

Masons’ marks are enigmatic signatures cut into stone wherever they worked, and hold clues as to dates of construction as well as the craftsmen who worked on the structure. However, little is known about the identities and life stories of these men who played such an important role in creating the country’s most cherished buildings from the Middle Ages to the 18th century. The exact function of the marks is not even known.

These signatures of the master masons are now to be recorded for the regions of Aberdeenshire, Moray and Angus in a project that will produce a database including all the marks in the area, providing the possibility of following the movements of individuals from one project to the next.

“We are calling on local history and heritage societies to help us by searching for and recording our masons’ marks at medieval buildings across the area,” said Moira Greig, Aberdeenshire Council archaeologist. “We hope this project will help us to discover more about a group of people who we know a lot about, but about whom there are few written records.”

Historic Scotland are helping out by waiving the entry fee at a number of properties for groups taking part in the project – sites include Corgarff, Huntly, Edzell and Kildrummy castles, Spynie Palace and Arbroath Abbey.

Archaeological riddles might also be solved by the research.

Courtesy Historic Scotland

“Many medieval buildings are difficult to date,” said Peter Yeoman, historic Scotland senior archaeologist, “but masons’ marks can sometimes give valuable clues because the same ones may appear at a number of sites.”

“If we know when the building activity took place at one of them, then that can help a great deal with the undated ones.”

Evidence does need to be interpreted with care however, given that there may be more than one phase of building for each site, and it’s also possible that masons’ marks might have been passed from father to son.

The marks, whose function is not fully understood, could well have been used as a way of showing who did what work-wise so they could be paid.

If the project is a success, it is hoped it will be rolled out elsewhere in Scotland.

A successful survey has already been carried out at Lower Northwater Bridge between Angus and Aberdeenshire, north of Montrose. The A-listed structure, dated 1770-1777, was found to have 283 masons’ marks on one span and 362 on another, with analysis showing that they belonged to 16 different masons.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: archaeology; godsgravesglyphs; masons; mysterious; scottish; signatures

1 posted on 02/09/2008 6:38:18 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 02/09/2008 6:38:45 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam
a new scheme supported by Historic Scotland

I love the way the use the word "scheme" over there.

3 posted on 02/09/2008 6:47:15 PM PST by outofstyle (There's a rake at the gates of Hell tonight)
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To: NCBraveheart; DieHard the Hunter

Masons ping


4 posted on 02/09/2008 6:50:36 PM PST by Tax-chick ("Political zombies need brains, but they hunger only for taxes." ~ NicknamedBob)
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To: blam
There was a show on The History Channel a while back about Scottish buildings. They showed some of the marks and simply said they were the stonemason's signature.

Makes sense to me.

5 posted on 02/09/2008 6:54:04 PM PST by yarddog (`)
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To: Mrs Zip

ping


6 posted on 02/09/2008 7:01:16 PM PST by zip (((Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough become truth to 48% of all Americans (NRA)))))
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To: Tax-chick
Image hosted by Photobucket.com still got my Penny...
7 posted on 02/09/2008 7:03:40 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: yarddog

Probably they were very similar to the use of maker’s marks on silver.


8 posted on 02/09/2008 7:04:29 PM PST by rod1 (uestion)
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To: Chode

LOL! My Dad’s a Freemason, although he may not remember it by now. I just pinged a couple of people I thought might be interested in this, whether it’s really “Masonic” related or just stoneworkers.


9 posted on 02/09/2008 7:05:32 PM PST by Tax-chick ("Political zombies need brains, but they hunger only for taxes." ~ NicknamedBob)
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To: Tax-chick
Image hosted by Photobucket.comyup... it's simply the makers mark, nothing more.

i have mine engraved on my Penny.

10 posted on 02/09/2008 7:11:08 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: uglybiker
Image hosted by Photobucket.com ping...
11 posted on 02/09/2008 7:18:02 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: blam

I am a mason and proud of my association of really great men and women.


12 posted on 02/09/2008 7:27:24 PM PST by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: blam

Freemasonry, definitely part of “Mystery Babylon,” Revelation chapter 17. Their symbols are loaded with hidden meaning. The square and compass, for instance. Outwardly, mason’s tools, operative in nature, however, they have esoteric meaning.

No doubt, same thing with these mason marks they left on these buildings. Having an esoteric meaning known only to the “craft.”


13 posted on 02/09/2008 7:44:55 PM PST by sasportas
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To: TigersEye

interesting...


14 posted on 02/09/2008 7:57:16 PM PST by pandoraou812 (Out, damned spot......)
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To: sasportas

This is not mystery.

I am a “Mark Mason.”

(My mark is the “christos” fish of Christ)


15 posted on 02/09/2008 8:06:00 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Don't blame me; I will write in Thompson.)
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To: pandoraou812

Craftsmen take pride in their work. Cool.


16 posted on 02/09/2008 8:26:09 PM PST by TigersEye (I'm a maverick. I'm sticking with conservatism.)
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17 posted on 02/09/2008 9:42:20 PM PST by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. In fact, I'm enjoying every minute of it.)
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To: blam

I think it’s a great idea. Too bad the knowlege of these great builders was lost to begin with.


18 posted on 02/09/2008 9:52:14 PM PST by GVnana
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19 posted on 02/09/2008 10:15:41 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16,)
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To: blam; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 49th; ...

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My apologies, all -- in my rush to get the Digest #186 done, I managed to omit two topics of last week. Rather than wait until next week to include them, I'll post a revised edition, and plaster the link to it in one of these messages (and take care of the Digest list members separately). Sorry for the stupidity.

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20 posted on 02/09/2008 10:19:36 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16,)
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To: blam

Anyone else here have their mark?


21 posted on 02/09/2008 11:44:31 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: sasportas

> No doubt, same thing with these mason marks they left on these buildings. Having an esoteric meaning known only to the “craft.”

Surely you jest!


22 posted on 02/10/2008 6:31:30 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: yarddog

Makes sense to me, too.

Saw the same thing in Germany.


23 posted on 02/10/2008 7:35:32 AM PST by bannie (clintons CHEAT! AAAALLWAYS!)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Thank you, but my name’s not Shirley.

(I couldn’t resist...I’m weak to temptation.)


24 posted on 02/10/2008 7:37:47 AM PST by bannie (clintons CHEAT! AAAALLWAYS!)
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To: Eastbound
Quite different...but I made myself a pottery stamp (out of pottery) which is an artistic (Well, I think it’s artistic!) configuration of my initials.
25 posted on 02/10/2008 7:39:07 AM PST by bannie (clintons CHEAT! AAAALLWAYS!)
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To: uglybiker

Interesting!


26 posted on 02/10/2008 7:49:19 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: blam

Thanx Blam.Interesting article.Vanity comment-plze indulge me:)My ancestors(paternal side)were stone masons who lived for many generations on The Isle of Man.Not much on the Isle:tiny island,few buildings,small population,mostly agriculture,and livestock-so i assume it was a base of operations.Late 1800’s(?)three brothers were recruited to work on Cornell U.Interesting note:as far as surnames are concerned(masons mark)my family name “morphed” depending on country of residence.Scottland,Ireland,England,France,etc...Cailly,MacCauley,Calloway,Cale,Cayley,Cole,Caulfield,Caley,Calley,etc...A very common practice-way back when.Anyone interested-free sites online-plug in your surname-you may be surprised at name origins,meanings,and variations.


27 posted on 02/10/2008 8:23:42 AM PST by Thombo2
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To: Thombo2

It’s just about as much fun when tracking your DNA,


28 posted on 02/10/2008 8:31:42 AM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: Eastbound
Anyone else here have their mark?

I will in time.

I'm a bit busy in the East right now. ;-)

29 posted on 02/10/2008 8:37:37 AM PST by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. In fact, I'm enjoying every minute of it.)
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To: Thombo2; SunkenCiv
You may find some kinship with this tune.

My dear mother (bless her soul) used to sing ballards to me with this very tune. My sisters agree but none of us can remember any of the words she sang.

(Much Led Zepplin music was written on the Mull Of Kintyre at Robert Plant's family estate there)

30 posted on 02/10/2008 8:41:06 AM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
I got my mark 49 years ago.

I'm a little surprized that there's no mention here that Mason's marks are also found throughout many of the cathedrals in England [and France].

31 posted on 02/10/2008 8:43:39 AM PST by curmudgeonII
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To: blam

Tracking DNA-Plan on doing that-one of these days.


32 posted on 02/10/2008 9:17:43 AM PST by Thombo2
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To: uglybiker
Congratulations, UB. Me too. All seated Masters please rise! Lessee, that's 1, 2, . . .

All Past Masters please rise! 1, . . .

33 posted on 02/10/2008 9:48:00 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: blam

Even more Led Zep was written by people not actually in the band. :’) What a Mull man sees he covets... Oh wait, wrong Mull...


34 posted on 02/10/2008 10:39:56 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, February 10, 2008)
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To: blam
Bro Blam

I just read an amazing book written by a non-Mason which traces the craft to the Knights Templar.

The book is appropriatly named for the reasons that caused the Templars to go underground while they were being butchered and tortured.

No wonder they call the Masons a secret society!

35 posted on 02/10/2008 11:29:51 AM PST by oldtimer
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To: blam

The first symbol looks like the fish, IXT.., I,X(KH),T, (I)sus (CH)ristos, (T)heos, not an uncommon then or now.


36 posted on 02/10/2008 1:49:28 PM PST by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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To: blam

Blam, that first symbol shown isn’t mysterious. I know what it signifies.

PM me if you want to know about it.


37 posted on 02/10/2008 2:19:05 PM PST by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: blam

Gee, What would they make in the future when they find writtings that say KILROY WAS HERE!


38 posted on 02/10/2008 2:21:27 PM PST by ronnie raygun (Id rather be hunting with dick than driving with ted)
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To: sasportas

The mark is just a mark, so they can stand by their work -— and, at the time, get paid.

It was passed down father-to-son, or at least master to apprentice — you get “families” of marks.

Most were overtly religious in origin, e.g., fish above, or a reference to a geometric theorum critical to the operative work performed (and, at the time, very secret stuff).


39 posted on 02/10/2008 2:40:46 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Atah kaki metumtam, McCain)
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To: blam

PING and fraternal greetings from South Africa (10 months, 15 days and counting...)


40 posted on 02/10/2008 9:24:52 PM PST by RexFamilia
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To: blam

Paul McCartney is the rock legend who owns property in the Mull Of Kintyre, hence the famous song.

Plant (and I am a Zep fan) owns property in Wales, and it was on the Welsh-English border that Zep wrote most of Zep III and other songs, not Scotland.


41 posted on 02/12/2008 6:28:12 AM PST by the scotsman
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To: the scotsman

Okay, thanks. I thought I’d read that about LZ.


42 posted on 02/12/2008 7:00:28 AM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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