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Why many conservatives can't vote for McCain
The Everett Herald ^ | February 10, 2008 | Mona Charen

Posted on 02/10/2008 2:42:33 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

I posted a squib on the National Review Web site about a robo call I received from John McCain. (Virginia's primary is Tuesday.) The call stressed that he would, if elected, be a down-the-line limited government conservative who would never raise taxes, would defend life, would enforce immigration laws and would win the war on terror. The candidate is trying, I said, to meet conservatives "more than halfway." The response of readers was, shall we say, emphatic.

One lady wrote that she would never vote for him as "He is the most disloyal, ill-tempered man and he brings out the worse in all of us. ..." Several readers made the point that after decades of suffering abuse at McCain's hands, conservatives are not going to fall into line for him now, no matter what blandishments he offers.

I know how they feel. The problem with McCain is not just that he strays. George Bush has strayed from conservatism, too. So has Fred Thompson. Certainly Mitt Romney has as well. But Sen. McCain has a knack for saying things in just the tones and accents that liberals prefer. In 2000, he condemned the late Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson as "agents of intolerance." In 2004, when Sen. John Kerry was getting his comeuppance from the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, vets who had known him during the war and couldn't remain silent as the Democratic nominee distorted his war record, McCain weighed in by calling the Swift Boaters "dishonorable and dishonest." When the Bush Administration was being vilified as a nest of Torquemadas for using waterboarding on three occasions, McCain came forward to condemn waterboarding as torture.

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1 posted on 02/10/2008 2:42:37 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Has anyone even considered a prayer chain asking God to raise up a conservative candidate for this election cycle.

The fat lady hasn't tuned up yet, so it's not too late. I believe that He really cares.

2 posted on 02/10/2008 2:49:47 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

oh the poor high maintenance “new” conservatives are at it again.


3 posted on 02/10/2008 2:56:01 AM PST by ari-freedom (Pragmatism: the 4th leg of conservatism.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The results from yesterday show a clear message that McCain is not wanted or desired by the grassroots for the Republican Party.

Huckabee’s involvement with McCain is pretty certain in my mind, so his current candidacy is suspect at best.

The vote for Huck yesterday shows that my “Anyone But McCain” position has massive grassroots support.

The filing deadline for the Pennsylvania beauty contest primary (April 22nd) is Tuesday. The bosses have all delegate canddidates run as “uncommitted”, then run insider elected officials so they can control the delegation (this year for McCain).


4 posted on 02/10/2008 2:57:35 AM PST by Nextrush (NO WAY MCCAIN: WHAT PART OF NO DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

OK, honest question here? Who is further to the left, McCain or Hillary?

If I recall correctly, McCain has something like a 75% (middle of the road for Congress) rating with a major conservative watchdog. However, that’s a “per vote” rating, not an issue based one. On the issues (gun control, GW’s barely adequate tax cuts, immigration, ad nauseum), he’s stabbed us conservatives in the back so many times that it’s hard to count. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice (or three or four or more realistically 10), shame on me.

What a dang mess...


5 posted on 02/10/2008 2:59:28 AM PST by piytar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am so pleased McAmnesty is should we say GETTING HIS PAYBACK ! They always say “Pay Backs Are A Bit*h”. McCaain is a fool if he thinks he can hurt the Conservatives for decades then just beg for Conservatives to support us and His Hurtful Voting Pattern in the Senate all all forgiven.

The gull this loser has. To hell with McCain ! I will take immense pleasure watching him get shafted, and will be smiling as McCain is DENIED THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT !

Sweet revenge has at last arrived.


6 posted on 02/10/2008 3:02:07 AM PST by Court Watcher
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To: Coldwater Creek

He does care and I am praying that God’s will be done.
In Jesus’ Holy name.
Amen.


7 posted on 02/10/2008 3:02:42 AM PST by Cindy
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NO SALE!

The best description of conservatives I’ve heard is a comparison to battered housewives who just aren’t going back to that man...

The sooner the GOP figures out that the base will vote for anyone but McCain the better.


8 posted on 02/10/2008 3:02:49 AM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: All
I am NOT voting for McCain.


9 posted on 02/10/2008 3:05:43 AM PST by Cindy
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To: piytar

AMEN brother or sister. The Stupid Republican Liberal Top Party Power Brokers GRAVELY MISJUDGED CONSERVATIVES. Those morons thought McAmnesty in the end would get Conservatives Republicans to back McCain just to stop Hillary or Barack.

The Top Party Liberal Republicans sure did not factor in a PARTY REVOLT !


10 posted on 02/10/2008 3:15:02 AM PST by Court Watcher
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To: Neidermeyer

Sure doesn’t look goo that McCain loses all these primaries and caucuses in red states, like what happened yesterday.

Tony Snow was so great at CPAC yesterday I really think he should run for president. I wonder if he can be drafted. Or maybe he can be persuaded to run in 2012.


11 posted on 02/10/2008 3:17:54 AM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Devoid of any ideas, without a true course and holding a "spinning" moral compass, the g.o.p. has only one strategy....

..Out Hillary, Hillary with the moderates and use Hillary to scare the hell out real conservatives.

12 posted on 02/10/2008 3:21:18 AM PST by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

McCain lies. He has betrayed us too many times.

How can we trust him?


13 posted on 02/10/2008 3:22:55 AM PST by kjo
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To: kjo

This is going to be painful allowing the Democrat BUT WE MUST STAND STRONG.

If we cave due to Democrat Fear, The Liberals who have hijacked the Old G.O.P. will continue to select Candidate to Run for President on the Republican ticket WHO ARE MODERATE TO LIBERAL.

We Conservative MUST SAY NO Sometimes it is better to LOSE in ORDER TO WIN.

Yes we will lose this 2008 election most likely to the Democrat, BUT NEXT TIME THE REPUBLICANS will figure it out. If The G.O.P. continues to Nominate Liberals WE WILL STAY HOME IN PROTEST.

If they lose enough maybe they will give us WHAT WE WANT A CONSERVATE !

So sometimes its worth losing in the shortrun TO WIN IN THE LONG RUN !


14 posted on 02/10/2008 3:28:45 AM PST by Court Watcher
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Why many conservatives can't vote for McCain

Because -- unlike moderates and liberals -- we genuinely possess standards. And principles.

15 posted on 02/10/2008 3:32:58 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("John McCain is to conservatism what Cindy Sheehan is to the Miss Universe Pageant.")
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To: Court Watcher

Agreed. Nobody likes losing. The question we have to ask ourselves is, do we lose more by voting for a liberal than we would by not supporting him and letting a more liberal candidate win?

I think the answer to that is Yes.

Besides, it’s McCain. He’s shown too many times that he says one thing than does another.


16 posted on 02/10/2008 3:33:28 AM PST by kjo
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To: TNCMAXQ
Has anyone begun a website for all of us Conservative Republicans who have no intention of voting for McCain if he is nominated? I think we should all cast our ballot for our candidate: “NOT McCain”
The way he has stuck his finger in the eye of Conservative Republicans for lo these many years is totally undeserving of our support. I for one am sick of compromising, so we can ‘have a chance next time.’
Listen, I liked George Bush. I think he’s a good guy. But I was royally pissed when he came out with his bull about “compassionate conservatism.’ As opposed to what? No one is more compasisonate toward his or her fellow man or woman than conservatives are. Geoge played into this myth to win favor with the liberals (”see I am not one of those extreme right-wingers). Well I am sick of this grovelling to the liberals. let’s get some spine and hold true to our principles. If we don’t have attractive conservative candidates, then we need to get to work and start grooming them. Until then, we will only be further way from our goal by fielding compromise candidates. The Liberal Democrats must be laughing their heads off at the Right for being such gullible fools. Politics is the art of wielding power. I am sick of hearing about ‘reaching out across the aisle; bi-partisanship.’ The reason why I am a Republican is because of the party’s conservative platform. Why, if I am principled, would I want to engage in bi-partisanship?
17 posted on 02/10/2008 3:34:26 AM PST by veritas2002
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To: Neidermeyer

Like an old Bob Dole, old McLame will lose big.
I will write in Ronald Reagan,
McLame and the G.O.P. leadership has been telling conservatives to go to hell for quite some time and using them like the Dems use blacks.
Maybe the party leadership thinks the only way to win is by smoozing with the middle and left. Well that’s fine and maybe they can win without the right but i don’t think so.


18 posted on 02/10/2008 3:44:28 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Joe Boucher

McCain will not carry twelve states.

The GOP will be reeling the day after the election. Time to entirely remake the party.

This is our time in the Wilderness. Churchill had his, we will now have ours. Our job will be to find our Churchill.


19 posted on 02/10/2008 3:48:44 AM PST by kjo
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To: veritas2002

Dide anyone on this site hear about Newt Gingrich comment last night ox Fox News, about how He Think We Will All Come Togetget because of Out Fear of Hillary or Barack?

Well Looks like Even ol Newt Gingrich does dot see the imposing Death we will Impose on JackAss McCain !!!!!!!!

I am not one of those voters that will let fear get the best of be. If Republicans want POWER THEY ARE GOING TO MEET CONSERVATIVE ON OUR TREMS “NOT THEIRS” !!!!!!!

Do I have any Bckers LETS ALL SPAM THIS SITE WITH OPINION Stating WE WILL FORCE THE G.O.P. INTO CONSERVATIVE COMPLIANCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If the Republicans dont play on our trems, we need to allow them to flounder in the wind until they “Want Power So Much They Come Bck to 1994 Contract With America Values!!!

And DO THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE !!!!!!


20 posted on 02/10/2008 3:51:21 AM PST by Court Watcher
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To: kjo

I’m a lifelong staunch conservative Republican. I’m definitely not a John McCain fan. I think he has done serious damage to the conservative/Republican cause.
However, I think it’s irresponsible for a conservative/Republican to not vote for President this year or to vote for the Democratic or a third party candidate.
Either Clinton or Obama will certainly try to get national health care implemented and also very likely withdraw from Iraq precipitously. If these things are done there is no way a Republican subsequently elected can unwind them. Say what you will about McCain but he will do neither of these things,
It is imperative that McCain be elected, however distasteful that may be.


21 posted on 02/10/2008 3:53:14 AM PST by Bill S
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

And no concern as to what will happen to our troops and the economy if the dems win


22 posted on 02/10/2008 3:54:38 AM PST by ari-freedom (Pragmatism: the 4th leg of conservatism.)
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To: Court Watcher

“stand back or I’ll shoot myself!”


23 posted on 02/10/2008 3:55:58 AM PST by ari-freedom (Pragmatism: the 4th leg of conservatism.)
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To: Bill S

Well Thankfully You are in the Minority. If McCain Gets Elected Republicans will not interest in being Conservative. I mean why Liberals Change “when voters that arte weak like you are will just vote for them anyways ?

This is my point. You might call it foolish. We are not think just about 2008. Unlike you, we look into the 2010 Midterms and See the Massive Gains Democrats will Gain in Congress from a defeated and demoralized Conservative Base.

See this is what you are missing. 24 shorts months there is another election Election. And the Lst thing we want is for The Socialist Democrats to have Super Majorities in the Congress. This Is what we see over on the horizon.

Wake up brother. We need to be solid ok buddy !!!!


24 posted on 02/10/2008 3:59:58 AM PST by Court Watcher
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To: kjo
THe problem isn't whether or not to trust the untrustable, it is how to survive the future. RUssia will not be afraid to nuke our coasts if Hillary or Obama are nominated or elected.

The most salient point about McCain is his apparent reluctance to be bought by arab oil money. Carter, Clinton(s), and nearly every other civil servant in DC and beyond have accepted the golden handcuffs of arab largesse. In the long run, McCain be the least tainted, the least manchurian candidate. He will not be afraid of the mullahs, the chicoms or the ruskies.

25 posted on 02/10/2008 4:00:42 AM PST by x_plus_one (The entire Islamic moral universe devolves solely from the life and teachings of Muhammad.)
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To: ari-freedom
You do realize you are the most effective Hillary campaigner on this board? A out and out advocate for Hillary could not do as much damage to your guy as you are doing with this hyper emotive, insulting posting style.

That the ticket GOP Establishment types scream insults at your party base. That is really going to get them to support your candidate!

I strongly suggest McCain supporters might want to quit singing the Cult of Personality song in praise of McCain. People here know his real record. Chanting slogans about how great McCain is isn’t going to sell with Freepers. We know better. We know his political record.

It is also really stupid to be screaming insults at Conservatives or trying to play bogeyman politics by talking about “Well they are worse”. Conservatives vote for things, not just against them. Neither screaming insults, nor browbeating us, is going to convince any of us to vote for McCain

Being spun to belive in a McCain we know has never existed does not convince us to support him, it angers us because we know we are being lied to.

Right now McCain supporters best tactic is to simply talk about what the Democrat candidates are saying on any issue. Their only hope is that the Democrats manage to scare Conservatives more then McCain pisses them off.

I have no doubt most Conservatives will be scared into supporting McCain in Nov by the Democrats. Simply saying “Well they are worse” “or “McCain is really a great Conservative” isn’t going to work. We know better. We know McCain’s real record.

The Democrats themselves are your best chance of changing peoples minds about McCain. Telling us what a great guy he is isn’t going to sell to Feepers. We know his real record on things like Iraq. His real record differs quite a bit from the air brushed one presented by his campaign

I personally think it is a waste of time. I think McCain’s record for the last 8 years has so poisoned the well that McCain supporters are wasting their time. However, if McCainiacs are going to keep spaming the board with McCain ads, they might at well at least TRY to be effective, rather then merely annoying.

26 posted on 02/10/2008 4:02:53 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Reagan's 11th Commandment is now in effect)
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To: Coldwater Creek

Have you considered that God might have “had enough” from America after 35 years of legalized “choice” and 40 million dead?


27 posted on 02/10/2008 4:11:06 AM PST by don-o (Do the RIGHT thing. Become a monthly donor. End Freepathons forever)
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To: x_plus_one

“RUssia will not be afraid to nuke our coasts if Hillary or Obama are nominated or elected.”

Like they nuked us when Carter and Clinton were in office?


28 posted on 02/10/2008 4:11:22 AM PST by LadyNavyVet (I will offer a choice, not an echo. Barry Goldwater)
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To: ari-freedom
oh the poor high maintenance “new” conservatives are at it again.

What are you looking in a mirror? You should talk.

29 posted on 02/10/2008 4:13:17 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: LadyNavyVet

I think alot of ppl will be very frightened of Obamanation.
His followers act like he is Elvis..., JKK and Martin Luther King all rolled up into one.

He would do so much damage to our country. What has he ever run? NOTHING. And we are going to let this guy run our country. OMG


30 posted on 02/10/2008 4:13:34 AM PST by JaneNC (I)
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To: ari-freedom
And no concern as to what will happen to our troops and the economy if the dems win

More so, evidently, than the mingy, miserable level of "concern" Juan and his online hallelujah choir hold for what will happen to our economy, our national security and the very character of our culture, should his precious, destined-for-the-'Rat-voting-roles horde of 30,000,000+ illegals finally get forcibly crammed down our collective gullet. " ¡Sí, Se Puede!," eh...?

31 posted on 02/10/2008 4:13:45 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("John McCain is to conservatism what Cindy Sheehan is to the Miss Universe Pageant.")
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To: Bill S

As Jack Kennedy once said “sometimes party loyalty asks too much”.

This is one of those times.


32 posted on 02/10/2008 4:13:59 AM PST by kjo
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To: Joe Boucher

Careful about writing Reagan in. I think writing in a dead person can spoil the whole ballot in some states.


33 posted on 02/10/2008 4:18:42 AM PST by Tom_Busch ("I am sure that Senator Clinton would make a good president." John McCain on Meet The Press)
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To: don-o

I think Conservatives are the ones who have had enough will all things liberal.

These comes a point where if we want to salvage out party we must lose a few times. It is worth losing to gain in 2010.

As rush says, if you know McAmnesty is going to sign that vile bill, and you know any democrats will follow the same path as McCain, in it not better to ALLOW THE DEMOCRATS TO GET BLAMED FOR IT INSTEAD.

Im mean lwt’s be real, this is why Weill be returned to power TO FIX WHAT THE DEMOCRATS MESSED UP.

Maybe we should let the Democrats have their way, For far to long We have shielded the voters from the Stupid naturue of Democrats. If they winn in 2008, the votes will have a Democrat Congress and a Domocrat President.

Nothing will be able to stop them. So voters will finally be able to see waht we have seen for Years.

If Republican Conservatives are not able to shield the voters from Socialists. The voters will soon realize HOW Worthless and scary and uncontroled Democrat party is.

So will win by losing in 2008, and win in 2010 when the Democrats hang themselves with their liberal policies.

Once the Republicnas stand back and allow the DEMOCRATS TO HANG THEMSELVES, we will be RETURNED TO POWER.

It is a good strategy after all.


34 posted on 02/10/2008 4:20:44 AM PST by Court Watcher
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To: Bill S
Forget about holding our noses if we were to vote for InMcsane, we will have to use extra rolls of toilet paper when ( ouch ) voting for InMcsane.
No matter how bad InMcsane is, I just don't think America is ready for a Muslim ( Obama ) President, or a Wicked Witch for President.
35 posted on 02/10/2008 4:26:45 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: don-o

Yes, and I also know that HE is always willing to give us another chance to repent.


36 posted on 02/10/2008 4:26:55 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: x_plus_one
McCain learned the sexy dance at the Hanoi Hilton. Charlie Keating made him feel like a school girl again. McCain has “known” more men than Hillary ever will. I won’t be a b!tchs b!tch.
Bob Dole was a true war hero. He doesn’t wear it on his sleeve ala McCain, but it’s always there. Dole went to Washington, but stayed too long and went native. Bob Dole is still a good man, but he has for too long practiced the art of the compromise. I love Bob Dole as a person and a great American, and I voted for him, but he’s not presidential timber.
As for John McCain, I’ve lived in San Francisco, and I won’t bend over that way.
37 posted on 02/10/2008 4:27:15 AM PST by Ratblaster (HILLARY 08 Bring Back the Crooked Hillbillies)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Forget about waiting for a Darkhorse to appear for the GOP, we need a Knight in Shining Armor on a White Horse to save the GOP.


38 posted on 02/10/2008 4:28:35 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: Coldwater Creek

The prayer you best to say “Thy will be done”. He knows what you need.


39 posted on 02/10/2008 4:28:45 AM PST by bmwcyle (the Beltway crowd is like a bunch of women who have started menstruating together)
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To: Cindy

God does have a plan for this country. “Pray without ceasing”. I’m not giving up on us.


40 posted on 02/10/2008 4:29:17 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: Ratblaster
McCain has “known” more men than Hillary ever will. I won’t be a b!tchs b!tch.

I am forced to stand back and goggle helplessly, in mute admiration, of an anger and contempt towering far, far above even my justly fabled own. ;)

41 posted on 02/10/2008 4:29:38 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("John McCain is to conservatism what Cindy Sheehan is to the Miss Universe Pageant.")
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To: kjo

You can’t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


42 posted on 02/10/2008 4:30:36 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: Tom_Busch

I live in Florida where many folks don’t even know their names.


43 posted on 02/10/2008 4:31:10 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Joe Boucher

What a wasted vote!


44 posted on 02/10/2008 4:31:40 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I am humbled by your praise.


45 posted on 02/10/2008 4:32:49 AM PST by Ratblaster (HILLARY 08 Bring Back the Crooked Hillbillies)
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To: Court Watcher

“The Stupid Republican Liberal Top Party Power Brokers GRAVELY MISJUDGED CONSERVATIVES.”

Elites in ivory towers and board rooms tend to do that because they have no contact with the heart of the party, conservatives who do all the pre-election drudge work. This year, we will see how the elites get along without us. It ought to be quite an experience.
I don’t care if John McKennedy loses this election any more than I cared that Bob Dole lost. These “moderates” would govern so much like Democrats that we wouldn’t know the difference anyway.


46 posted on 02/10/2008 4:32:56 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: kjo

Either remake the party or create a new REAL conservative one if this one continues to be dem lite.


47 posted on 02/10/2008 4:33:01 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: JaneNC

A lot of people are frightened of their shadows and will just have to go hide under their beds for the next four years. I’ve seen too much and done too much to be frightened by much, and that includes two inept, empty Democrat suits.

Hillary or Obama will be the next President. The Dems have two fairly weak candidates, so to counter that, the Republicans have we put up the weakest candidate possible, a sick, probably crazy and/or senile old man with forty years of dirt for the Dems to dig up and play with. The Stupid Party strikes again.


48 posted on 02/10/2008 4:33:30 AM PST by LadyNavyVet (I will offer a choice, not an echo. Barry Goldwater)
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To: Bill S
I’ve vowed NEVER to vote for the traitor McCain. However, I’v rethought, and will eat my words because, I despise the Dems more than McClain.
49 posted on 02/10/2008 4:34:12 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: Coldwater Creek

Repentance is a hard thing. I would be interested in any evidence that there is any going on.


50 posted on 02/10/2008 4:34:39 AM PST by don-o (Do the RIGHT thing. Become a monthly donor. End Freepathons forever)
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