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Smoky bar triggered fatal asthma attack
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Posted on 02/10/2008 6:00:34 AM PST by justkillingtime

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Have at it freepers!
1 posted on 02/10/2008 6:00:34 AM PST by justkillingtime
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To: justkillingtime

The smoke Gestapo will use this one incident to justify their actions.


2 posted on 02/10/2008 6:04:01 AM PST by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: justkillingtime

Oh come on! If her asthma was that bad why was she working out where she knew smoke was sure to be? Also, if her asthma was that bad and she cared about it she’d have been taking preventative medications plus have her emergency inhaler.


3 posted on 02/10/2008 6:04:45 AM PST by Freedom Dignity n Honor (There are permanent moral truths.)
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To: justkillingtime
Smoky bar triggered fatal asthma attack

"Awwwwwwwww... dude! I always end up getting blamed for everything!"

4 posted on 02/10/2008 6:05:03 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("John McCain is to conservatism what Cindy Sheehan is to the Miss Universe Pageant.")
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To: justkillingtime

“He said a smoking ban could prevent future deaths.”
Without being to insensitive, how about carrying your inhaler, or maybe looking for another line of work? Go ahead and flame me.


5 posted on 02/10/2008 6:05:29 AM PST by duckman (I refuse to use a tag line...I mean it.)
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To: justkillingtime
Rosenman said the woman had asthma since age 2. Her asthma was poorly controlled. She had made four visits to her doctor in the year before her death for flare-ups, and had been treated in a hospital emergency department two to three times that year.
And yet she continued to work in a "smoky bar."
6 posted on 02/10/2008 6:05:46 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: justkillingtime

7 posted on 02/10/2008 6:07:15 AM PST by Condor51 (Vote McInsane or Ugga-Bugga? Decisions, decisions, decisions.)
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To: justkillingtime

Since the drinking age is 21, what is a 19-year-old (at most) doing working in a bar?


8 posted on 02/10/2008 6:07:55 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Political zombies need brains, but they hunger only for taxes." ~ NicknamedBob)
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To: justkillingtime
Obviously something needs banning.


You would think after all that hard work and money spent on earning her waitress degree that the university of higher education she attended will refund some of the fees to someone in need.


R.I.P.

9 posted on 02/10/2008 6:08:12 AM PST by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of out-thinking our adversaries?)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Lol!


10 posted on 02/10/2008 6:10:33 AM PST by mefistofelerevised
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To: Freedom Dignity n Honor
First of all condolences to the family of the young lady

Secondly, I want to know exactly what proof is presented that "second-hand smoke" caused this death. Did they find actual "second-hand smoke" in the lungs or lung tissue? How does one make the definitive diagnosis that "second hand smoke" has caused a death.

Last, but not least, why was this young lady putting herself in an enviornment like that if she were that sensitive to "second hand smoke"? This could not have been the first time that she had encountered it.

Sorry--but I just don't buy it.

11 posted on 02/10/2008 6:10:52 AM PST by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: Freedom Dignity n Honor
Well, to point out the flaw in your logic, that would mean that people are responsible for their own wellbeing and actions. Nothing scares politicians more than people who can think for and take care of themselves.
12 posted on 02/10/2008 6:10:58 AM PST by WV Mountain Mama (My only resolution this year is to make a bigger carbon foot print.)
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To: justkillingtime

” Smoky bar triggered fatal asthma attack “

Remember that the anti-smokers pioneered a lot of the “blame-everyting-on” tactics that the GW herd uses to such great effect.....

Waiting for headline that reads “Mass Transit Bus Fumes Triggered Fatal Asthma Attack”

Waiting....

Waiting.....


13 posted on 02/10/2008 6:11:20 AM PST by Uncle Ike (We has met the enemy, and he is us........)
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To: justkillingtime
I don't have asthma, and yet I can't spend much time inside a smoky bar. I have to get some fresh air. Personally, I wouldn't work in a smoky bar.

If I had severe asthma, I sure as heck wouldn't get a job in a smoky bar. The young lady decided poorly. And now politicians will try and ban smoking. *sigh*

14 posted on 02/10/2008 6:11:28 AM PST by Sender (Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon.)
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To: justkillingtime
Image hosted by Photobucket.com and the PROOF smoke caused the attack is...???
15 posted on 02/10/2008 6:14:40 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: Uncle Ike

It’s Bush’s fault.


16 posted on 02/10/2008 6:14:59 AM PST by steve8714 (Loyalty has an expiration date and is not transferable.)
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To: justkillingtime
Although she had prescriptions for an assortment of drugs to prevent and treat asthma attacks, she was reported to only use them when she was having breathing difficulty. On the evening of her death, she had no inhaler with her. "

Anyone with a comparable history of asthma would not
a) conciously place themselves in an environment that may potentially trigger an asthma attack,
b) leave home without an albuterol inhaler in case of any emergency attack,
c) NOT use preventative medications, especially since they are so prevalent nowasdays

And, yes, I feel qualified to make these statements as I have a history of asthma/asthmatic bronchitis. I haven't had an attack for more than one year, but everyday I carry on emergency inhaler with me.
17 posted on 02/10/2008 6:15:25 AM PST by callisto (CONGRESS.SYS corrupted...Re-boot Washington DC (Y/N)?)
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To: Chode

Good question since the article states that this is the conclusion of some researcher. How about the medical examiner? What did he/she say?


18 posted on 02/10/2008 6:16:08 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: Sender
"I don't have asthma, and yet I can't spend much time inside a smoky bar. I have to get some fresh air. Personally, I wouldn't work in a smoky bar ..."


Interesting.

Tell me, how do you do in "fresh" air filled with pollen?

Here, in Floriduh, the trees are pollinating to the degree my vehicle is yellow over the maroon paint job, and I washed it two days ago.

How does your genetics deal with pollen in the "fresh" air?

19 posted on 02/10/2008 6:18:47 AM PST by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of out-thinking our adversaries?)
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To: Tax-chick

In Michigan, even though the drinking age is 21, one needs only be 18 to serve alcohol.


20 posted on 02/10/2008 6:19:51 AM PST by xvq2er
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To: justkillingtime; Madame Dufarge; SheLion; Gabz; Mears
Oh brother...

This is like the article from a few years back that claimed hundreds of heart attacks had not occurred because of a one month old smoking ban.

One whiff and you're a stiff!

21 posted on 02/10/2008 6:25:32 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: xvq2er

Okay, thanks.


22 posted on 02/10/2008 6:28:21 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Political zombies need brains, but they hunger only for taxes." ~ NicknamedBob)
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To: justkillingtime

The issue isn’t whether tobacco smoke can trigger an asthma attack (it can; so can chimney smoke and perfumes) but whether smoking should be banned in private places on that account. It irks me when people who are strong advocates for a position deny reality in order to support their position.


23 posted on 02/10/2008 6:28:41 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Farmer Dean

Unless she was the daughter of the owner; what was an underaged girl doing working in a bar? And with all the pre-warning junk out there; didn’t someone out there know about smoke and athsma or is this a real story or only set up by the Nazi smoker’s police.


24 posted on 02/10/2008 6:30:20 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: justkillingtime
I work part-time in a candle shop. During my interview they asked me if I WOULD BE ABLE TO WORK THERE given the strong aromas. Did anyone ask this lady if SHE WOULD BE ABLE TO WORK THERE? Do we have to ban candles now? Where’s personal responsibility?
25 posted on 02/10/2008 6:30:49 AM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: justkillingtime
“After about 15 minutes, she had an acute asthma attack and collapsed on the floor. The autopsy clearly indicates she died from asthma,” said Rosenman, who would not disclose the woman’s name or the precise place and time of her death for privacy reasons.

I smell a really bogus story here. Wonder what the ME had to say on the death certificate.

26 posted on 02/10/2008 6:30:52 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: G.Mason

The difference is that you have a choice to be in an environment filled with cigarette smoke, and don’t often have a choice to be in a pollen filled environment.


27 posted on 02/10/2008 6:32:01 AM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: freekitty
It’s the Smoke Nazi Police. They’re trying to get a no-smoking ban passed for Michigan.
28 posted on 02/10/2008 6:32:18 AM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: freekitty

What is really interesting to me is how now no one can stand smokey places; yet back before the smoking police came along; no one seemed bothered at all by it.

You really do have to think about that?


29 posted on 02/10/2008 6:33:16 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham; All
“She didn’t have any other possible known causes of death,” said Dr. Kenneth Rosenman, a Michigan State University professor who oversees three state public health surveillance systems.

Translation: We've identified this as the cause and don't feel the need to investigate any further

“We know that particulate levels from secondhand cigarette smoke in bars like this reach sufficient levels to set off an asthma attack,” Rosenman said.

Translation: We're unconcerned with particulate levels caused by any other contributing factor

“She was perfectly fine when she went to work,” Rosenman said in a telephone interview. “After about 15 minutes, she had an acute asthma attack and collapsed on the floor.


Translation: We are unconcerned with any factors that may have occurred between home and work, as they do not fit our pre-conceived agenda.

"Rosenman said the woman had asthma since age 2. Her asthma was poorly controlled."

Translation: Her failure to manage her own physical health MUST be the fault of an industry we have been unable to control, and from whom we are dying to get our hands on additional money, as the State Excise Taxes are not enough to fund further research for myself and fellow researchers.
30 posted on 02/10/2008 6:36:41 AM PST by callisto (CONGRESS.SYS corrupted...Re-boot Washington DC (Y/N)?)
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To: justkillingtime

Oh where to start. First of all, poorly treated asthma. IOW she didn’t take care of her asthma. Second, she had been working there for awhile with no problems. My DIL has acute asthma. She does not smoke and no one smokes around her. I have had to call an ambulance for her twice for asthma attacks. She has spent time in ICU for her asthma. No SHS involved. Anything could have triggered her attack. This is more propaganda bull. Its just a way to get a death certificate with the cause of death SHS to use for their own propaganda.


31 posted on 02/10/2008 6:39:04 AM PST by beckysueb (Pray for our troops , America, and President Bush)
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To: metesky
"Wonder what the ME had to say on the death certificate."

The article only states "the autopsy clearly indicates she died from asthma" but fails to elaborate.

"Rosenman, who wrote about the case in the American Journal of Industrial Medicine, said 24 U.S. states prohibit smoking in public places such as bars. A number of other states, including Michigan, are considering it. "

There's always a hidden agenda with these types. IMHO he is using this case, without actually providing verifiable proof, to justify "his" research and further line his wallet and promote potential future research posts.
32 posted on 02/10/2008 6:44:05 AM PST by callisto (CONGRESS.SYS corrupted...Re-boot Washington DC (Y/N)?)
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33 posted on 02/10/2008 6:45:49 AM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: callisto

my hubby has asthma.
He has two medicines...one he is supposed to puff on once a day as a maintenance sort of thing.
The other he uses when his chest feels tight.

The first medicine is supposed to reduce his reliance on the second.

It sounds like she was relying on the second type, and then only when it was too late.

There could also be a financial issue here too.

We recently changed pharmacies, and in the process there was one day where our insurance info had not made the switch.
I payed for my husband’s medicine out of pocket...one month’s worth was about $200.

I could see if you were struggling and had no insurance why you might be careful not to go through the inhalers too quickly.

Of course, working where there is smoke would increase your need for the inhaler.


34 posted on 02/10/2008 6:49:43 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: rlmorel
Thanks for your insight. That wasn't the question.


I asked Sender ... "how do you do in "fresh" air filled with pollen?"


The point is, though you avoid areas you knowingly are allergic to, ie: those dreaded smokey bars you must inhabit the rest of the planet.

Now, if you have a genetic condition that precludes you from breathing "fresh" air, obviously you are in deep doo doo.


Of course, as the imurities found in "fresh" air are, no doubt, the fault of humans we should demand that the earth's air be filtered.

Perhaps the UN could do that, when they get the chance.

35 posted on 02/10/2008 6:50:30 AM PST by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of out-thinking our adversaries?)
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To: Tax-chick

“Since the drinking age is 21, what is a 19-year-old (at most) doing working in a bar?”

Bingo.. first of all what was she doing there, Second of all.. if she had asthma SO BAD that a whiff of smoke would put her in an early grave.. what was she doing IN a bar instead of a plastic bubble.


36 posted on 02/10/2008 6:52:31 AM PST by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: freekitty
What is really interesting to me is how now no one can stand smokey places; yet back before the smoking police came along; no one seemed bothered at all by it.

Actually, back before smoking bans, we asthma patients were bothered by cigarette smoke in public places, sometimes very much. I had friends who would end up in an ambulance if they made the mistake of going to the wrong place. When I was young, I had many asthma attacks from cigarette smoke encountered in unexpected places.

The smoking bans do work for us. I remember going to Minnesota about 25 years ago, stepping off the plane, and being amazed and thrilled that there was no cigarette smoke in the airport--I could breathe and not gasp or wheeze!

But that absolutely does not mean that everyone should be inconvenienced because I had a problem. I am opposed to the smoke Nazis as much as any cigar afficionado is.

Finally, to some of the "she brought it on herself" posters on this thread:

Sometimes inhalers aren't powerful enough to fix a sudden, serious attack. Sometimes you lose or forget them. Sometimes they get clogged up and don't work.

Teenagers tend to think they're invincible, and when I was the age of this poor young lady I didn't even know it was possible to die of asthma. She may have taken the job because it worked with her school or childcare schedule. She must have thought she could handle it.

Some compassion, please, for a poor young girl who made a mistake! This forum is being taken over by the heartless.

37 posted on 02/10/2008 6:53:02 AM PST by ottbmare
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To: freekitty

“yet back before the smoking police came along; no one seemed bothered at all by it.”

I was bothered by it, so I just didn’t go into certain places.
There were certain bars I refused to go to with my hubby because I knew my eyes would water and I would feel nauseous the whole night.

I remember someone making the argument that business for bars would increase because there were so many people like me out there.
It turned out they were wrong.
Businesses have been hurting and they want their smokers back.


38 posted on 02/10/2008 6:53:45 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: beckysueb

“Anything could have triggered her attack.”

Yes...stress, a virus...somebody’s perfume, allergies....


39 posted on 02/10/2008 6:55:19 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: justkillingtime

My father who lived to the age of eighty had asthma from his early teen years until his death. He smoked for years, starting as a young adult and continued to do so for the rest of his life ... except for the last 6 to 8 years. Asthma aside, he enjoyed good health all those years.


40 posted on 02/10/2008 7:01:30 AM PST by BluH2o
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To: G.Mason

Well, I misread you then. Thank you for pointing that out as politely as you did...

As for the UN...give them time.


41 posted on 02/10/2008 7:02:51 AM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: justkillingtime; Just another Joe; CSM; lockjaw02; Publius6961; elkfersupper; nopardons; metesky; ..

Nanny State Ping.

Condolences to the family of this girl. With that said I find it disgusting how the anti-smoker cartel is and will exploit this event to further their socialistic goals.


42 posted on 02/10/2008 7:04:59 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: rlmorel
" ... As for the UN...give them time."


ROTF ...

Thanks for that ... you made my Sunday


Regards

43 posted on 02/10/2008 7:05:27 AM PST by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of out-thinking our adversaries?)
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To: Scotswife

“Rosenman said the woman had asthma since age 2. Her asthma was poorly controlled.”

IMHO, if she had asthma since she was 2 years old she had ample opportunity to learn to “try” to maintain and minimize any attacks. I find it hard to believe with over 16 years experience with asthma she was never informed of any, or all, potential triggers and to do her utmost to avoid them. The article alludes to her inability to control the disease but stops there. There is a reason they did not expand on that comment or mention any personal identiers. This researcher has found a case to justify his research based on his political agenda.


44 posted on 02/10/2008 7:06:01 AM PST by callisto (CONGRESS.SYS corrupted...Re-boot Washington DC (Y/N)?)
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To: Gabz
Good morning, Gabz. Hope all is well. We have having a little snow with very high winds coming off of Lake Erie this morning.
45 posted on 02/10/2008 7:09:34 AM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: GOP_Lady

Good morning to you! No snow here, but we do have high winds.


46 posted on 02/10/2008 7:11:25 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: justkillingtime
Condolences to the family.
But...
If she had such a major problem with asthma why, in the name of common sense, was she working there?

I smell something fishy......

What! Again?!
Click the Pic

47 posted on 02/10/2008 7:14:23 AM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: callisto

I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you, I’m just recognizing that we’re dealing with a teeager.
And teenagers are often not the most logical creatures on the planet.

I know there have been times my hubby has misplaced his inhaler, and insurance won’t refill right away (a limit on how many they cover over a certain pd. of time)

It would have been interesting, too, if the writer had bothered to look into her coverage.

It is very expensive stuff, and I could see if money was a problem - then a person might be reluctant to go through the inhaler too quickly - developing a tendency to only take a puff when you are already in trouble.


48 posted on 02/10/2008 7:15:08 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: justkillingtime

Some will say she should be canonized as the Saint of Second Hand Smoke.

I say give her a Darwin Award!


49 posted on 02/10/2008 7:17:36 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution ? 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: mewzilla
Image hosted by Photobucket.com thank you...
50 posted on 02/10/2008 7:18:53 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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