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Hang-ups over Mormonism proved Romney's undoing
The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 02/10/2008 | Thomas Burr

Posted on 02/10/2008 9:37:21 AM PST by Utah Binger

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To: Graybeard58

bologna


41 posted on 02/10/2008 10:10:04 AM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: badpacifist

If Free Republic is any indication of conservatives and Republicans as a whole, his being Mormon was the deciding factor in his demise.

Every day there were threads, usually several at one time condemning the LDS Church.

Rarely was his record discussed. It was LDS all the time.


42 posted on 02/10/2008 10:10:32 AM PST by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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I have to say it.

Told you so!!!!

43 posted on 02/10/2008 10:10:38 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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To: Graybeard58

Its “bulloney”. ;^)


44 posted on 02/10/2008 10:11:07 AM PST by Reagan Man (McCain Wants My Conservative Vote --- EARN IT or NO DEAL !!!)
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To: Vinnie

Pretty sad, isn’t it?


45 posted on 02/10/2008 10:14:59 AM PST by flintsilver7
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To: Grunthor
Bears repeating as you have made the most important point of the day!

People that have told the missionaries OVER AND OVER, DO NOT COME BACK.

46 posted on 02/10/2008 10:15:56 AM PST by Utah Binger (Statesmanship requires having no religious hangups; being owned by no one)
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To: Utah Binger

“It’s clear, however, that Romney’s belief in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints cost him in his presidential quest. Romney himself acknowledged that had he been a Baptist, for example, he may not have lost the Iowa caucuses - a devastating setback to his early surge strategy.”

The article is right on. Of course his religion cost Romney. It’s probably one of those things that would be difficult to poll accurately. But I know a few people personally and heard a good number on call-in shows say they’d never vote for a Mormon for president. If even 10% or less hold such views, it could be very costly in close elections as the Republican primaries have been, with a presumptive nominee with around 38% of the vote.

And there are voters who would never vote for an evangelical, or a Jew, or a black, or a Hispanic. It’s just part of society, but again, it’s difficult to quantify since some would never admit it aloud, or even to a pollster on the phone.

But I notice we have some of the same old Romney haters here pretending it was no factor at all. Pretending seems to be what they’re best at.


47 posted on 02/10/2008 10:16:28 AM PST by Will88 ( The Worst Case Scenario: McCain with a Dhimm majority in the House and Senate)
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To: Fzob
The reality is that many evangelicals believe Mormonism to be a cult. Romney never had a chance on the national stage.

Yes. What the vast right-wing conspiracy mongers don't realize is that according to Feb 07 Gallup polling info, conservatives were 9% more likely to vote for an LDS POTUS candidate than liberals; and 11% more likely than moderates.

If he couldn't comandeer the GOP primary, he was going to do even worse on the national stage...especially if the D nominee winds up being Obama.

48 posted on 02/10/2008 10:17:18 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Utah Binger
Rep. Steve King, an Iowa Republican who had originally backed rival Fred Thompson, says Romney was dinged for his faith. "I think he was unjustly and inappropriately penalized for his religion," King said. "It was a factor" in his overall defeat.

Rep. King telling it like it is.

49 posted on 02/10/2008 10:17:28 AM PST by ILS21R
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To: Utah Binger

Yes, the religious bigotry was appalling, but it was all a part of the politics of personal destruction by frustrated supporters of some of the other candidates who felt that they couldn’t get any traction with the media. Most of these supporters couldn’t see that their candidates had some serious flaws that were preventing them from getting their message out. Huckabee was too far left to be considered conservative, though a likable fellow, Hunter was espousing union rhetoric, and Thompson just entered the race late and gave the appearance of lack of energy.


50 posted on 02/10/2008 10:17:32 AM PST by Eva (Benedict Arnold was a war hero, too.)
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To: Utah Binger

It was a factor. I was chatting with a neighbor, who is a Methodist, and he did not vote for Romney specifically because of his faith. He voted for McCain. We have a large Mormon Community in our rural area. They don’t go door to door, and they contribute an enormous amount - particularly to youth sports, schools and local government. But Evangelicals and other Christian faiths shun them as non-Christian. Can’t get around it, the prejudice is there.

Also, Romney never campaigned in rural California where his base might have been. He lost many Fred Heads he could have picked up. I got stuff and phone calls from McCain, but not Romney.


51 posted on 02/10/2008 10:17:40 AM PST by marsh2
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To: Utah Binger

Ah heck UB repeat it all you want to, they never listen.


52 posted on 02/10/2008 10:17:44 AM PST by Grunthor (Juan McAmnesty - The End of America; Comitted to Mexico and 100 *&**& years!!??)
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To: Utah Binger

Of course it had to be his religion. Focusing on what really cost him would have made others who have done the same things look bad.


53 posted on 02/10/2008 10:19:25 AM PST by DoughtyOne (That's right McStain, you'll get my vote when you peel it from my cold dead fingers.)
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To: bluebeak

No, it was because he got so defensive and wanted to fight to the last breath about his rightness. Typical Mormon.

I know, I used to be one of them.


54 posted on 02/10/2008 10:20:28 AM PST by Utah Binger (Statesmanship requires having no religious hangups; being owned by no one)
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To: Grunthor; BibChr
I’m an evangelical and your post was offensive.

Facts can be unpleasant and that's a fact....even if it hurts your feelings.

55 posted on 02/10/2008 10:22:15 AM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: marsh2
they contribute an enormous amount - particularly to youth sports, schools and local government.

That's how it's done now.

56 posted on 02/10/2008 10:25:51 AM PST by Utah Binger (Statesmanship requires having no religious hangups; being owned by no one)
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To: Will88
Of course his religion cost Romney. It’s probably one of those things that would be difficult to poll accurately.

Not difficult to poll. Gallup has done it a few times. In '99, it was 17% who said "no" to an LDS POTUS candidate. In Feb '07, at first it was 24% who said "no." But then Gallup decided to do a fuller sample. Of that sample, the breakdown was: 78% said yes "comfortably." 10% said, "Yes, with reservations." 11% said "no."

So that's 11% of ALL voters. Then when they broke that down, since conservatives were MORE likely to vote for an LDS POTUS candidate than either liberals (9% more) or moderates (11% more), you have to conclude that the breakdown of that 11% was: 4% liberals; 4% moderates; 3% conservatives.

So stop knocking the 3% of conservatives when 94-95% of LDS voters did the exact same thing in reverse...those LDS voters took into consideration the "personal qualities" of a candidate, according to the Salt Lake Tribune...and voted accordingly.

57 posted on 02/10/2008 10:26:28 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Graybeard58

“Facts can be unpleasant and that’s a fact....even if it hurts your feelings.”

There is a difference between “fact” and “opinion.” Perhaps you hadn’t received the memo?


58 posted on 02/10/2008 10:27:27 AM PST by Grunthor (Juan McAmnesty - The End of America; Comitted to Mexico and 100 *&**& years!!??)
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To: DoughtyOne
Of course it had to be his religion. Focusing on what really cost him would have made others who have done the same things look bad.

Not born out by polling data (see my previous posts this thread). But, hey, if you've got that "every voter" motivation x-ray machine available, I'd like to take a look at it. Might be able to patent it & parlay it into millions of $.

59 posted on 02/10/2008 10:28:22 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Such BS.

Romney’s undoing was that McKeating is the MSM’s pet Republican.”

Bingo


60 posted on 02/10/2008 10:28:53 AM PST by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....)
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