Posted on 02/10/2008 12:08:54 PM PST by NutmegDevil
NEW JERSEY’S political hue is not just blue these days. It’s cobalt.
In the last two months, the state has become ... the second, after Maryland, to pledge its Electoral College votes to the winner of the national popular vote
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(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
No public vote on this issue . Was voted and passed in the Legislature alone with the blessing of Comrade Corzine .
That’s actually the only way to do it. The Constitution specifically reserves the “Legislators” of the several states the determination as to how Electors are to be appointed. Not only is there clearly no requirement for submission to a popular vote, a very good case could be made that a popular-vote-enacted mechanism to appoint Electors is invalid.
I’m here in Massachusetts with my hand out the window waving anyone to pass us on the left.
Although I would prefer that we could start passing somebody on the right.
Yet they wonder why the south is taking away all the jobs that used to be in NJ? I remember when people went to NJ to get away from the high taxes and horrible schools of NYC. Now the dummocrats made it worse than NYC. That takes some real hard work.
Tell me about it. UGH!
“The underlying reason, political scientists and public policy experts said, is that Democrats in Trenton, the capital, have occupied the Holy Trinity of state government since 2004: both chambers of the Legislature and the governor’s office. Their advantage is now considerable — 48-32 in the General Assembly and 23-17 in the State Senate.”
This is what Washington D.C. is very likely to look like next year. Better get used to it. With Barack, Nancy, and Harry in firm control, any crazy socialist bill you can think of will be passed. They will wear out their welcome pretty fast, however.
Anyone who lives in New Jersey has to be nuts.
New Jersey is a wasteland. The only hope is a category 15 hurricane.
The last time that a Democrat has *ever* won the national popular vote was Jimmy Carter in 1976.
Methinks the Left has no idea what it is doing on this matter, save for a knee-jerk BDS reaction to Bush’s 2000 victory...
hope you caught this yesterday, just for the pleasure of seeing how much love corzine is getting:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1967770/posts
Right Mr. Kennedy?
yes that makes sense Mr. Daley.
I believe AlGore received more of the national popular vote in 2000 versus GWB. I further believe the NetRoots have been after the election without an Electoral College since then.
Well, the New York Times has tackled a story on which they truly came claim to have some authoritative expertise on.
I suppose that in the future candidates will be able to save some dough by not having to campaign in states with such policies.
No public vote on this issue . Was voted and passed in the Legislature alone with the blessing of Comrade Corzine ...
the way it is always done in NJ.....if it was the will of the people and not the will of the lib/dems...it would not be a total bizzaro state!!!!
Why is the People’s Republic of New Jersey becoming even more left-leaning? Could this be due to an influx of immigrants voting Libcomdem?
What does this mean? It is not explained in the article. Are we no longer going to vote for Electors? We are just going to vote for candidates?
Why isn’t it done to the benefit of the people of NJ? Their presidential votes now don’t count; the votes of all the states take precedence. And since it has the highest per capital income, any tax cut by definition benefits NJ disproportionally. Yet their dimbulb D representatives always vote against tax cuts. Heck, cut federal taxes and hike them at the same time in Trenton to keep the money in the state.
VP Gore never received a *majority* of the popular vote.
Don’t confuse “pluralty” with “majority.”
Pluralty just means bigger than competitors; majority means over 50%.
If you have more than 2 choices, then you can easily have a pluralty without a majority.
Now, going back to what I said: the last Democrat to *ever* win the national popular vote was Jimmy Carter in 1976 with 50.01%.
VP Gore never cracked 50%. He won a pluralty, not a majority.
Suppose a state certifies that Albert won, and that Albert and Bob together got 10,000,000 votes, Charlie got 50,000, and all other candidates together got less than 10,000. In all other states combined, Bob is ahead by 1,000,000 votes, and he'd have the EC victory even losing this state. Bob doesn't doubt that he lost this state--indeed, he figures he probably lost it by 2,000,000 votes.
If Albert accepts that he lost the state, but does want the exact figures published, it would be impossible for other states to certify a winner in the national popular vote. I'm sure a lot of people in other states would be unhappy about that, but I can't see that anyone would have standing to demand release of the data. Albert was awarded the victory. He's not entitled to anything beyond that. Charlie is shown to clearly be the loser. Even if he were to demand a recount, he'd have to basis for demanding that it itemize separately the votes for Albert and Bob unless the recount showed that his tally was at least half the Albert-Bob total. Bob would have standing to demand the information, but since he has no reason to believe it would help him and every reason to believe it would hurt him, he would naturally decline.
correction: third paragraph should start “If Bob accepts...”
Don't bet on that fact. When asked what FDR's plans for the future were in 1934,Harry Hopkins replied quite hnestly, "Tax tax tax. Spend spend spend. Elect elect elect."
We had 20 years of FDR and the Dems. It's like de Toqueville prophesied 170 years ago when he wondered if Liberty in a Democracy could survive past the time the body politic discovered it could by majority vote collect goodies from the public treasury.
This sounds like an interstate compact in violation of the Constitution (which is probably why liberals love it so much.)
If New Jersey, Maryland, and the others wan to make themselves “relevant”, they should simply adopt the district system for distributing electors — or the proportional one, if the state decides that represents tehir desire best.
The district system would have given Bush even bigger electoral college victories.
Are the people of NJ and MA going to be all right with this if their electoral votes go to the Repub. candidate even if a majority of them vote Dem?? It sounds absurd. If McCain should win with 51% but those 2 states vote Dem by an overwhelming margin, their electoral votes would go to McCain? If I were a Democrat voter I would be furious. Same thing if a GOP candidate carried my state but won the national vote. It makes no sense to me.
We are a Representative Republic. In accordance with the U.S Constitution, we NJ voters elected legislators to act in our stead with regard to how the federal electors apportioned to NJ cast their votes in the quadrennial decision by the Electoral College. My NJ legislators are all Republicans, so don’t blame District 12 voters. Let the voter beware.
Some of us are a lot more "red-state" than many FReepers. We are trapped here for various reasons, such as caring for an elderly parent. A little more constructive sympathy would go a lot further than invective and insult.
The three northwestern counties of New Jersey remain solidly “red”. If there were a way for them to secede and join Pennsylvania, they could move the Keystone State enough to the right to make it competitive again.
LOL! I know! I was also at the “Flying Pig” rally on Friday, protesting the toll/tax increase scheme!
We’re not gonna take it anymore!!!!
I hail from Warren County, solidly red and we’re mad as hell!
Let's make a deal. We will take those three NJ counties in exchange for Philadelphia County. Both states would be greatly improved!
This is good for the Republicans as it’s the only way you’d ever see Maryland and N.J. turn Red an the map. It would not have impacted 2000 as they already went Gore and in 2004 they would have to have gone Bush since he won the popular vote. What a bunch of dolts. They’ve now taken trusted blue states and placed them up for grabs.
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