Posted on 02/10/2008 4:18:38 PM PST by Jack Black
I was wondering how McCain was doing in the Red States, so I marked up a 2004 Electoral College map with a "W" in every state he won, and a "L" in every state someone else won. (I didn't bother marking the Blue States.)
McCain's not very popular in states where Republicans actually deliver electoral votes to the President. He has lost far more than he has won. Here is my rather simple, but illuminating map.
This goes a log way towards explaining the anger that is out there about this process.
That’s our choices now, Worse, Getting Worse, and the Worst.
Yes, I’ve pointed this out on a number of radio programs. The fact he has a lot of support in New York and Rhode and Illinois doesn’t really count for much, does it.
By the way, you might want to update your profile.
You aren’t supposed to be posting anymore, otherwise!
Senator McCain I offer you the support you deserve, sir:
here....
.... :)
Completely bogus analysis. Does that also mean that Duncan Hunter is not supported in RED states, since he lost all of them? See what I mean...
LOL!
Anyway, McCain will lose. Dems are far to excited and are voting in much larger numbers than the GOP. Independents are leaning Obama. The media’s love affair with McCain is already starting to end.
Focus on House races now and a conservative candidate for 2012 folks
Get all your foot stomping out now, kids...because when it comes down to it, and you hear how absolutely frightening Obama actually is, you’ll go and vote for the devil you know because you love this Country...don’t tell me you don’t. Obama is a very, very scary prospect.
Now do one for Obama and see what the sad future for America is.
Let’s hope I don’t have to say “I told you so” (not you per se) if Obama becomes the next President.
I think this other map will demonstrate otherwise.
I dunno, most people here aren’t like the Dems (party over principle). We won’t sit home, we’ll be campaigning like hell for conservatives in the House and Senate to fight Obama’s liberal policies every step of the way (something they won’t do to McCain’s liberal policies).
Well, thanks for the condescending words, but there's a 0% chance I'll vote for McCain. Third party, here I come.
The GOP has moved so far to the left they are in bed with Soros et.al., just like the Democrats, and they really don't care if you vote for him or the Democrat
Thank you for standing for principle sir.
You know if the RNC were NASA, and the primary results were a ROCKET crashing after lift off (abysmal failure), you would bet there would be a congress investigation / MSM circus, reaping them to pieces..
And yet... Who is a making the big noise to get answers / changes from the Republican leadership?
Are the accountable to anyone?... at all?....:)
No match. Duncan Hunter won nothing, lost red, blue and in between. This is a picture of what McCain carried, the would-be nominee.
If you're like me, you pretty much see conservatism in terms of black and white. You've voted for Republican candidates your whole life. Over the years, while doing so, you have started to have concerns that the politicans you were voting for were becoming more and more leftist. You stood by the party because not to do so would have been catastrophic to the nation you love. For some strange reason the party felt compelled to assure you of that, even though it claimed it's candidates shared your views. egomaniac.
What it does mean, is that conservatives don’t support either McCain or Hunter enough to push them over the Democrat voters in those given states.
Someone else could turn those voters on enough to bother going to the polls, though.
What matters is what states McCain will win on election day, and he will carry all of the states won by W and more.
Clinton/Obama are unelectable Marxists.
I'm sorry, I'm totally missing your point. To answer your question; YES, the fact that Duncan Hunter lost in every state means he was not supported in the Red States. He was not the choice of ANY state for POTUS.
In the same way John McCain has failed to win the vast majority of Red States. It is completely NON-BOGUS to point this out.
That doesn't mean that 1) John McCain can't win some or all of these states in the 2008 general election, he may. 2)That he can't win the POTUS contest while losing some of these states, by picking up blue states. He may be able to redraw the electoral map.
Still I think the conclusion I've drawn, that to date McCain is NOT THE CHOICE OF RED STATES (esp. Republicans in those states) is simply an obvious fact, and no more bogus than pointing out that it's raining in Portland again.
Good to see you again, JAck. I’ve missed the CWII pings.
But look on the bright side. If Obama does win at least you'll have a proabort comrade in the White House. That should warm your heart.
:)
Support Huckabee.
We KNOW he is strongly pro-life, and fantastic about our 2nd amendment rights.
I see you got Roberta McCain’s memo. Both of you are badly mistaken. Many of us stopped being frightened of the boogeyman whether it’s Clinton or Obama and we have no intention of voting for someone a shade (perhaps) less dreadful than them. The GOP wore out its “scare-em” button sometime ago.
As concise and inarguably damning a visual representation of the actual facts on the ground as any FReeper has provided thus far. MEGA-kudos! ;)
But again, keep venting..it'll keep you from getting sick.
From a purely political point of view, perhaps you are correct. This will be a good test of whether letting Blue States select the Republican nominee helps us elect Republicans.
I don't claim to know the answer to that.
From a purely political point of view, perhaps you are correct. This will be a good test of whether letting Blue States select the Republican nominee helps us elect Republicans.
I don't claim to know the answer to that.
Well, if McCain loses to Obama, he’ll deserve it too. Obama make his speeches mimicking MLK but you get that kid into debates asking pointed questions about defense, economics and such without letting him generalize, he;ll fall flat on his face.
He wants to drag people out of poverty which is all very well and good but ask that boy how he’s planning on doing that.... then it will be easy to see how empty he is.
It is SO freaking easy to say what is popular but a whole other story to find solutions. Those are the things I think is his weakness.
So yea.... any republican can’t beat Obama deserves to be beat.
Republicans better worry a lot about Utah, a reliable conservative state. After the Huck and McCain sleazy attacks on Mormons, expect a surprise from there. And I don’t blame them.
They are only unelectable if Republicans and Conservatives show up. I guess you're not following the news, or are in denial about the record number of Dems voting. They're coming out for their guy...in record numbers. Young voters, probably illegal voters..at this point, I don't even know if we can overtake it even if we did show up...
At least we can stop them from having a mandate, but I'm not even hopeful on that...I will vote for McCain and I will encourage everyone I know to do the same. I love this Country, and I don't think it can withstand even four years of 100% liberal poliicies and a charasmatic unknown like Barack Obama...
My conservative son is 34 and he told me today that the young people here prefer Obama...
They feel that he is young enough and inexperienced enough to teach and be bendable towards conservative views...
Good luck, guys...
Unfortunately, you're overestimating the electorate of the 21st Century.
It will be difficult for McCain to win all of the States W won in 2004. Ohio and New Mexico will be very difficult to win by way of example.
Thats how it is now. I do anticipate change (dont know to what extent) if the only choices are the R and D nominees, and the R nominee is McCain.
But, by that logic, since George W. Bush didn’t win the primaries or caucuses in Arizona or New Hampshire in 2000 he shouldn’t have won either state in the general election. But Bush won both.
Fear ain't going to cut it in the General Election. If that's all McCain has going for him, he's toast.
I wouldn't worry about that.
People from old folks homes will be wheeling themselves down the street to vote against these 2.
Clinton/Obama will lose worse than Dukakis did, they have no shot.
You're on tropical drugs, as mcinsane would say - "my good friend" (even when speaking of fellow liberal scumbags like kennedy).
Said it before and I’ll say it again, by the time McCain’s buddies in the media get done butchering him McCain loses all 50 states.
Time to put our energy into the House and Senate races.
You are reading something into this post that I did not say. I did not say that McCains poor performance in Red States in the primaries means that he cannot win the general. I am merely pointing out the fact that the vast majority of Red States voted for one of the other guys, when they had a chance.
I don’t think it will matter much. Obama is already painting mccain as old and used up, thanking him for his “50 years of service”, lolol. A whole lot of silly young people are going to vote him in, to be their own Kennedy. We would have to vote 10X each and all our dead.
I have a good republican friend that doesn’t follow all this stuff. She is going to vote for Obama because she thinks that she likes his personality. I’m afraid there will be a ton of that type of voting going on. Republicans that don’t like McCain, don’t really think about it and pull the lever for Obama because he’s nice.
I will never vote for a candidate who wants to implement global warming regulations and taxes.
John McCain will do just that.
“This goes a log way towards explaining the anger that is out there about this process.”
At least this debacle should teach the GOP to make all state primaries closed primaries. Why in the world should a party let Democrats and “Independents” choose their nominee? That is political suicide.
The other change that should be made is the abolition of “winner-take-all” primaries. Candidates should get a proportionate share of the votes cast. Why should a candidate who manages to get a percentage point more than his nearest rival get all the delegates? Who in the world thought these rules were intelligent?
-no one can steer McCain, he’s a “maverick” and a loose cannon.
Your point is bogus because there were multiple candidates running. This is not rocket science.
Jack, I've followed this thing from the beginning: Nobody knew who Hunter was because the MSM failed to even tell the voters that he was running!
The same thing happened with Fred Thompson. There was a virtual media blackout with both these guys.
Most people don't follow politics as closely as those of us on this board, and if the MSM fails to tell them who is running, how are they going to know?
I think it's really that simple.
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