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Artificial sweetener tied to weight gain
Herald Sun ^ | February 11, 2008 | Reuters

Posted on 02/10/2008 9:22:11 PM PST by neverdem

USING an artificial, no-calorie sweetener rather than sugar may make it tougher, not easier, to lose weight, US researchers said today.

Scientists at Purdue University in West Lafayette, Indiana, studied rats that were fed food with the artificial sweetener saccharin and rats fed food with glucose, a natural sugar.

In comparison to rats given yogurt sweetened with glucose, those that ate yogurt sweetened with saccharin went on to consume more calories and put on more weight and body fat.

The researchers said sweet foods may prompt the body to get ready to take in a lot of calories, but when sweetness in the form of artificial sweeteners is not followed by a large amount of calories, the body gets confused, which may lead to eating more or expending less energy than normal.

"The data clearly indicate that consuming a food sweetened with no-calorie saccharin can lead to greater body-weight gain and adiposity than would consuming the same food sweetened with high-calorie sugar,'' Purdue researchers Susan Swithers and Terry Davidson wrote in the journal, Behavioural Neuroscience, published by the American Psychological Association.

"Such an outcome may seem counterintuitive, if not an anathema, to human clinical researchers and health care practitioners who have long recommended the use of low- and no-calorie sweeteners as a means of weight control.''

Other artificial sweeteners such as aspartame that also taste sweet but do not lead to the delivery of calories may have similar effects, the researchers said.

"Animals may use sweet taste to predict the caloric contents of food. Eating sweet noncaloric substances may degrade this predictive relationship,'' the researchers wrote.

"With the growing use of noncaloric sweeteners in the current food environment, millions of people are being exposed to sweet tastes that are not associated with caloric or nutritive consequences,'' the researchers added.

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Symptoms: Metabolic Syndrome Is Tied to Diet Soda

At first, I was inclined to agree with the comments on that thread that the correlation with obese folks was just a coincidence because the obese wanted to avoid getting bigger. Now, I'm not so sure about it. It's not wise trying to fool mother nature.

1 posted on 02/10/2008 9:22:13 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem; GregoTX

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2 posted on 02/10/2008 9:24:11 PM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: neverdem

Since most “sugar” now is HFCS, I think I’ll be sticking with aspartame.


3 posted on 02/10/2008 9:24:53 PM PST by mysterio
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To: neverdem
In comparison to rats

In comparison to rats.
4 posted on 02/10/2008 9:25:58 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: neverdem

I’ve been thinking about this. I drink a lot of them. I stopped eating in the evening over a week ago. I’ve probably cut a fourth to half of my calories. I have lost ...nada.


5 posted on 02/10/2008 9:30:13 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: neverdem

For awhile I was giving my kids the artificially sweetened waters. We stopped the whole artificial sweetner when my daughter’s neurologist said that it can lower seizure thresholds. Regular sugar does not lower seizure thresholds.

Now, my kids just limit their soda intake, and they drink lots of water.


6 posted on 02/10/2008 9:32:37 PM PST by luckystarmom
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Ping for later.....


7 posted on 02/10/2008 9:33:27 PM PST by Rabble (The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others !!)
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To: CindyDawg

Caloric reduction is good. If you want to live longer.


8 posted on 02/10/2008 9:34:37 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: neverdem

I’m not a dietiican, but I would think that many studies had been done on what the body does (produce insulin, etc) when sweets/sugars/carbs are consumed.

I could understand why the body gets tricked into a drive to consume and reduce calories/activity when simple carbohydrates are eaten.


9 posted on 02/10/2008 9:36:27 PM PST by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: mysterio

Before you decide to “stick with aspartame”, I think you should “google” it first. Then decide. It is nasty stuff.


10 posted on 02/10/2008 9:48:00 PM PST by miele man (Continually voting against iodine deficient libs for 42 years)
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To: neverdem

I’ve noticed this phenomenon personally. Diet soda is just empty crap that confuses your body. That being said, I hate how these people report the findings.


11 posted on 02/10/2008 9:48:20 PM PST by bahblahbah
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To: CindyDawg

It can take a while for your body to adjust to the lower intake.


12 posted on 02/10/2008 9:50:08 PM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - Ps 122:6)
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To: neverdem

I’ve tastes artificial sugar one time, and never again. I can’t stand diet soda. I’ve also never weighed more than 135 soaking wet.

Hmmm...could it be?


13 posted on 02/10/2008 9:54:27 PM PST by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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To: neverdem

I saw this article copied in our Sunday paper.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/06/healthscience/05symp.php

“Researchers have found a correlation between drinking diet soda and metabolic syndrome — the collection of risk factors for cardiovascular disease and diabetes that include abdominal obesity, high cholesterol and blood glucose levels — and elevated blood pressure.”

Of course if the researchers depended on self-reporting, that opens up a whole new can of worms. They need to do some testing under controlled conditions.


14 posted on 02/10/2008 10:00:23 PM PST by edweena
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To: mysterio
Aspartame sucks. It tastes lousy and is bad for you. Splenda, on the other hand, is a gift from the gods. It takes very much like real sugar but cannot be utilized by the body and passes harmlessly through.

Eat what you ate when you were skinny and never thought about it, but substitute Splenda for sugar, and you will be better off. Eat like a pig, and splenda won't help.

15 posted on 02/10/2008 10:06:49 PM PST by Defiant (The new GOP: A slow road to socialist authoritarianism. Hoorah!)
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To: neverdem

This is a fine example of one of the sloppiest written, most confused piece of reporting I have ever seen. At first, it says thet art. sweeteners causes MORE eating, then later it says “greater body weight gain with THE SAME FOOD. The author is confused.


16 posted on 02/10/2008 10:30:50 PM PST by matthew fuller (COMPLETE THE FENCE NOW, McCAIN!)
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To: miele man

I dropped 100 pounds several years ago by cutting calories. A big part of that was cutting our HFCS.


17 posted on 02/10/2008 10:34:06 PM PST by mysterio
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To: Defiant

“Splenda, on the other hand, is a gift from the gods. It takes very much like real sugar but cannot be utilized by the body and passes harmlessly through.”

I like Splenda, it is the only sugar sub I’ve seen that did NOT taste like laundry detergent(don’t ask) and it takes almost no time getting used to it.


18 posted on 02/10/2008 10:34:06 PM PST by Grunthor (Unlike the Republican Party, this conservatives' principles MEAN SOMETHING!)
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To: Defiant

I like splenda quite a bit.


19 posted on 02/10/2008 10:35:10 PM PST by mysterio
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To: mysterio
Since most “sugar” now is HFCS, I think I’ll be sticking with aspartame.

I generally avoid processed foods and artificial sweeteners.

Fructose, insulin resistance, and metabolic dyslipidemia

20 posted on 02/10/2008 10:52:50 PM PST by neverdem (I have to hope for a brokered GOP Convention. It can't get any worse.)
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To: kinoxi
In comparison to rats

OK, so it is time for ethical human experiments with informed consent.

21 posted on 02/10/2008 10:56:00 PM PST by neverdem (I have to hope for a brokered GOP Convention. It can't get any worse.)
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To: neverdem

Right away, I saw the flaw in this experiment: saccharine tastes like crap! I don’t know how they even get away with calling it a “sweetener.”

The “dangers” of aspartame are a hoax. But it does taste bad to some people. If you are one of them, use Splenda.

Splenda is great stuff.

Sugar is basically poison.

If you don’t carry a diet soda around all day—sip, sip, sip, nonstop—you won’t have a problem. Drink or eat something that artificially sweetened—along with some real food—and you won’t have a problem with insulin resistance.

These experiments with rats and couch potatoes are ludicrous. All such an experiment can possibly show is how a rat or a couch potato might be able to lose a little weight. And at the end of the experiment, the rat is still a rat and the couch potato is still a couch potato.


22 posted on 02/10/2008 11:21:46 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: neverdem

Independent researchers say Splenda chemically resembles pesticides. The bonds between its carbon and chlorine atoms are more like a chlorocarbon than a salt — and most pesticides are chlorocarbons. The manufacturer’s own studies showed that Splenda caused shrunken thymus glands and enlarged livers and kidneys in rodents. Despite this, the FDA approved it due to the manufacturers’ “stature” in the industry.
Source: http://www.womentowomen.com/nutritionandweightloss/splenda.aspx

For an all-natural, calorie free sugar substitute that actually has nutritional benefits (better insulin regulation, etc.), try Stevia, particularly Stevia extract. If you have a Trader Joe’s in your area, their product is excellent, and cost effective.


23 posted on 02/10/2008 11:42:20 PM PST by earglasses (I was blind, and now I hear...)
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To: neverdem

Dump the diet drinks.

My doc (new doc) insisted.

But I like my sweet drinks so my bottled water guy gave me x20 flavored powder to add to my water.

It is stevia leave extract and cofeeberry both also work in the liver on insulin issues.

All Natural. In 3 diff. flavors.

Spendy though.


24 posted on 02/11/2008 5:14:54 AM PST by Global2010 (Election 2008 like playin Shoots and Ladders (ages 5 and up))
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To: neverdem
sweetener saccharin

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Who uses saccharin any more? It’s NutraSweet for me.

Geeze! What a **dumb** study!

25 posted on 02/11/2008 5:59:54 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Global2010

What’s this stuff called? Stevia leaf flavored powder? Or what’s the brand name?


26 posted on 02/11/2008 10:35:39 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Sweet.)
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To: neverdem

As someone who’s gained and lost weight at various times, I’d put zero credibility in this study. Not that their findings may not be true for rats, but lets face it, rats will piss on their own food.

90% of weight loss is caloric intake.. reduce your intake, you’ll lose weight... being more active helps, and yes, you have to deal with plateaus and modifications to what you are doing to get past them, but no way someone consciously watching their calorie intake and using artificial sweetners to help with it, is overcompensating with calories elsewhere.


27 posted on 02/11/2008 10:39:11 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Global2010

A doctor worried about your nutrition is not going to just say cut out diet sodas... he’s going to tell you cut out all sodas, and all teas, kool aid, etc..... these products leech all sorts of healthy things out of your body.

Plain water is the preferred drink any health care provider is going to recommend that’s worth a damn.


28 posted on 02/11/2008 10:41:13 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: neverdem

The sweetner is also “tied” to MS and brain cancer..


29 posted on 02/11/2008 10:46:01 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: austinmark; FreedomCalls; IslandJeff; JRochelle; MarMema; Txsleuth; Newtoidaho; texas booster; ...
Someone needs to repeat this experiment with humans.

Freepmail me if you want on or off of the diabetes ping list.

30 posted on 02/11/2008 10:46:53 AM PST by neverdem (I have to hope for a brokered GOP Convention. It can't get any worse.)
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To: hosepipe
The sweetner is also “tied” to MS and brain cancer..

Do you have links to reputable sources?

31 posted on 02/11/2008 10:49:17 AM PST by neverdem (I have to hope for a brokered GOP Convention. It can't get any worse.)
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To: Defiant

I can’t stand Splenda (or any of the other artificial sweeteners). Taste awful and cause digestive upsets.

The food from the gods for me is Whey Low ( http://www.wheylow.com ). It’s a 1-to-1 sugar replacement with the same carb count (1 per teaspoon) as Splenda and 1/4 the calories of sugar; it acts like, bakes like, cooks up like sugar.

When I was using it, I lost weight without otherwise dieting. I even made my own soft drink syrups with it. Unfortunately, Dew addict that I am, I started drinking Dew again over the holidays and haven’t yet replaced it with my Whey Low drinks.

I love the coffee drinks I make with it:
http://www.cookingwithpam.com/sugarfree/low_carb_coffee_drinks.html

Which really makes it stupid that I’m still drinking Dew, other than it’s just easier to flip open a can than to mix up my own stuff. ;)


32 posted on 02/11/2008 10:49:22 AM PST by Fawnn (Canteen wOOhOO Consultant and cookingwithpam.com person - Faith makes things possible, not easy.)
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To: neverdem

I believe that it was recommended in the Atkins diet that you limit the amount of artificial sweetners because they can fool the brain into thinking that they are sugars, but I think that Splenda was different. I don’t remember why. Atkins also said that the other sweetners like equal are particularly bad for migraine headache sufferers.


33 posted on 02/11/2008 10:53:02 AM PST by Eva (Benedict Arnold was a war hero, too.)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Any artificial sweetener including Splenda makes me ill. I don’t trust them.

Raw sugar in moderation won’t kill you (unless you’re diabetic.)

I’ll stick with nature’s sugar.

34 posted on 02/11/2008 10:57:37 AM PST by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Defiant

Splenda, on the other hand, is a gift from the gods

ummm, well, not quite...
Splenda is created from sucralose - a synthetic compound - by altering it with chlorine molecules. Not sure if that’s a good thing. The only reason it “passes through” is because most of our digestive systems are clogged up with mucus and gunk.

Splenda’s own research on lab rats also showed it caused shrunken thymus glands, enlarged livers and enlarged kidneys. Not sure if that’s a good thing, either.


35 posted on 02/11/2008 10:58:55 AM PST by Dasaji (The U.S.A. is the Land of Opportunity and you've got 50 states to do it in!)
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To: neverdem
[ Do you have links to reputable sources? ]

Not anymore.. but I've know several people that had brain cancer and were addicts(almost) of diet soda.. And read about people after stopping diet soda then the MS went away or got much better..

Bottom line a couple of artificial sweetners should be flagged as suspious.. There could be other problems caused by them I'm not aware of.. Especially with overuse.. Some people may be much more senstive to the harmful effects of them.. There are SOME people that drink nothing BUT diet this or that..

36 posted on 02/11/2008 11:02:22 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Arthur McGowan
The “dangers” of aspartame are a hoax.

Why do you say that? Because you want to believe it? I see no “hoax” in the fact that GD Searle politically manipulated FDA approval for it to be used in carbonated beverages.

Once aspartame is heated to over 85 degrees, it breaks down into formaldehyde and woodgrain alcohol. Searle tried to cover this up in addition to the adverse side effects (tumors, MS-like symptoms, neurological seizures) experienced by test animals.

37 posted on 02/11/2008 11:20:06 AM PST by Dasaji (The U.S.A. is the Land of Opportunity and you've got 50 states to do it in!)
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To: miele man

“Before you decide to “stick with aspartame”, I think you should “google” it first. Then decide. It is nasty stuff.”

And then take a big ol’ grain of salt, since so much of the stuff about aspartame is pure tinfoil-hat. You can usually recognize such sites by their extremely amateurish and scattershot approach.


38 posted on 02/11/2008 11:47:38 AM PST by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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To: mysterio

Please be aware that aspartame causes stomach and other problems for some people. I try hard to avoid it, but they put that crap in almost everything.


39 posted on 02/11/2008 11:50:16 AM PST by Unassuaged (I have shocking data relevant to the conversation!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

X20 Blast Flavored packets
Freep mail me if you want the website or phone number.

It is by mail only.
I buy a personal supply but the website comes across for those who want to be venders for it.

I just wanted the packets so I called the company and they set me up on a 25 a month packet auto ship. Which makes shipping free.
cost $30 a month but you can use 1/2 a packet at a time per directions or the whole packet depending on your taste.

King Vanity is starting to develope high BG off and on so I am also using it for him along with the X20 sachets which adds hydration to water.
The web site explains that.


40 posted on 02/11/2008 1:28:57 PM PST by Global2010 (Election 2008 like playin Shoots and Ladders (ages 5 and up))
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To: Defiant

I have found since I stopped using Diet 7up my appitite has decreased a whole lot.

Had a upset tummy this morning due to NSAID patches I use for back pain and drank half a diet 7up and it increased my appitite.


41 posted on 02/11/2008 1:31:39 PM PST by Global2010 (Election 2008 like playin Shoots and Ladders (ages 5 and up))
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To: CindyDawg
I started drinking Diet Pepsi about a year ago for two reasons - I needed to lose weight and I was concerned about getting diabetes (I'm 46.)

After two years, I've noticed no weight loss that I can attribute to drinking diet soda - in fact, I may have gained a few extra pounds.

My problem is, I'm a pop junkie and I'm hooked on it. I don't want to go back to sugared soda (I can't stand the sugary taste anymore) but I just don't see anything else out there that would take its place. Flavored waters use the same diet sweetener that the sodas do and that now is the subject of many serious concerns regarding its safety.

What's a soda junkie to do?
42 posted on 02/11/2008 1:50:50 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Another liberal will be infesting the White House. Great.)
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To: earglasses
Independent researchers say Splenda chemically resembles pesticides.

Then these "researchers" are chemicalphobes. Sucralose is made from table sugar (sucrose) by a process that substitutes three chlorine atoms for three hydroxyl groups on the sucrose molecule. The chlorine bonds won't break. The addition of chlorine to the sucralose molecule is what makes sucralose free of calories. Sucralose is an essentially inert molecule and it passes through the body without being metabolized. Chlorine in the form of chloride is a safe and natural element that is present in many of the foods and beverages that we eat and drink every day.

The manufacturer’s own studies showed that Splenda caused shrunken thymus glands and enlarged livers and kidneys in rodents.

I've heard this before but no one has ever been able to show the study. My bet is these afflictions appeared only after the animals had been fed amounts of sucralose that have no relationship to real world human consumption. Almost everything can be bad for you in unreasonable amounts. The FDA would never have approved this product if this were a genuine concern. If you stuff a lab rat with enough of anything all sorts of bad things will happen.

For an all-natural, calorie free sugar substitute that actually has nutritional benefits (better insulin regulation, etc.), try Stevia, particularly Stevia extract

] It's interesting that you would recommend a product that hasn't been approved by the FDA but that lab tests on animals have raised the possibility that it may have harmful effects on the male reproductive system.

43 posted on 02/11/2008 3:33:13 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: hosepipe
The sweetner is also “tied” to MS and brain cancer..

You have to wonder how that's possible when aspartame is broken down into three compounds that occur naturally in foods and beverages we consume every day. Aspartame is made up of phenylalanine which is an essential amino acid found in almost every single protein; aspartic acid, which is common in vegetables and potatoes; and methanol, which is common in fruits and red wine. How these compounds can be deadly as aspartame but totally harmless when consumed naturally in the food we eat has never been explained.

44 posted on 02/11/2008 3:38:46 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Dasaji
The only reason it “passes through” is because most of our digestive systems are clogged up with mucus and gunk.

No. The reason it passes through without being metabolized is because your body doesn't recognize it as a carbohydrate. That's only possible because chlorine is added to the sucralose molecule.

45 posted on 02/11/2008 3:44:17 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Fawnn
I never heard of your whey low, will try it. I think Splenda tastes very close to sugar, close enough to let me enjoy coffee, iced tea or diet soda. I lost a lot of weight about 3 years ago, and have kept it off, and one of the things I did was get rid of sugar entirely.

I know how they make it, and that it is synthetic. Their marketing is a little disingenuous, when they say it is made from sugar, from what I understand it is entirely man-made. But it works, and unless I hear that it is unhealthy, I will continue to enjoy it. I never could use nutrasweet or the pink stuff, they are both disgusting.

46 posted on 02/11/2008 3:52:36 PM PST by Defiant (The new GOP: A slow road to socialist authoritarianism. Hoorah!)
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To: reagan_fanatic
I hear you. I quit drinking regular also to drop calories. It took me about 6 weeks to get used to the nasty stuff. Didn’t drop a pound. The last two days I have been sick and weak. I had a Jr. choc shake at Wendy’s awhile ago. Within minutes my stomach was better and I felt like walking around Walmart. That tells me something. I have to get the carbs under control before this pop junkie can even think about giving up aspartame and caffeine:’)
47 posted on 02/11/2008 3:54:47 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: reagan_fanatic
What's a soda junkie to do?

Switch to beer. :)

48 posted on 02/11/2008 3:57:07 PM PST by AFreeBird (No Romney, No Rudy, No McLame, No Huck, No Paul! Toss the GOP into the ashcan of History.)
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To: Dasaji
Why do you say that? Because you want to believe it? I see no “hoax” in the fact that GD Searle politically manipulated FDA approval for it to be used in carbonated beverages.

In college, about half of all freshman chemistry students drop out. They later become regulators and members of the food police. These same people support this kind of conspiracy nonsense.

Once aspartame is heated to over 85 degrees, it breaks down into formaldehyde and woodgrain alcohol. Searle tried to cover this up in addition to the adverse side effects (tumors, MS-like symptoms, neurological seizures) experienced by test animals.

Heat breaks down aspartame which is why it cannot be used for baking. Also, colas contain acid (phosphoric) and aspartame does not hold up well in acid solutions so the product must be fresh or aspartame will break down. Under high heat, the methanol will metabolize off the aspartic acid which causes the product to lose its sweetness. This is another reason sucralose has become so popular.

Your liver breaks down the methanol in aspartame into formaldehyde and then into formic acid. We're talking trace amounts here that any healthy liver can eliminate with ease. You do much more damage to your liver by drinking one vodka and tonic or smoking one cigarette than from consuming a diet coke. You get many times more methanol from a glass of apple juice than you will from a diet coke. Are you also claiming that apple juice causes cancer, MS and neurological seizures? I hope not.

49 posted on 02/11/2008 3:58:11 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: CindyDawg
Within minutes my stomach was better and I felt like walking around Walmart

now THAT'S a weird side effect!

j/k...something about that sentence just made me laugh.

;)

50 posted on 02/11/2008 4:00:05 PM PST by ZinGirl
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