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Editorial: Agenda for next president: A new torture policy
Sacramento Bee ^ | 2/11/8 | Editor

Posted on 02/11/2008 8:11:25 AM PST by SmithL

Revelations make it clear that Bush still thinks illegal interrogation tactics are OK --

In the past, the United States had a straightforward standard in defining torture: Would the United States object to a particular interrogation technique if it was used by an enemy against a captured American?

For example, the United States used that standard to prosecute Japanese soldiers in World War II for using waterboarding, sleep deprivation and freezing temperatures to torture American soldiers.

But that all changed with the Bush administration. In what have become infamous memos worldwide, John Yoo of the Office of Legal Counsel and Jay Bybee of the Department of Justice provided in 2002 a rationale for the use of torture on al-Qaida detainees. Further, these memos argued that the president had the authority to ignore any U.S. law or treaty ratified by the United States regarding interrogations.

Now, six years later, hearings held by the Senate and House have finally provided official confirmation by CIA Director Michael Hayden that the CIA used waterboarding – a sort of controlled drowning – on three al-Qaida detainees in 2002 and 2003. The torture memos were the guiding force. Hayden testified that use of waterboarding and other techniques was "deemed to be lawful" at the time by a Department of Justice opinion through the Office of Legal Counsel.

Hayden didn't mention that the Office of Legal Counsel, beginning in October 2003, considered the torture memos to be problematic. They were withdrawn in June 2004 after the Abu Ghraib scandal broke in April of that year and one of the torture memos was leaked two months later. But the White House never repudiated the torture memos and, as the New York Times reported last October, two more secret torture memos were issued in 2005 saying the CIA could continue touse torture.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aidandcomfort
I'm sure that America's enemies appreciate the SacoBee's concern for them. Maybe, they'll even accept the Geneva Convention, too.
1 posted on 02/11/2008 8:11:28 AM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Can we waterboard the sissies at the SACBEE just for the hell of it?


2 posted on 02/11/2008 8:14:34 AM PST by pissant (Time for a CONSERVATIVE party)
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To: SmithL

I am sure that the next time the Islamofascists want to behead an American, they’ll think twice.


3 posted on 02/11/2008 8:15:32 AM PST by ilgipper
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To: SmithL

With any of the three front-runners as POTUS, I don’t see how the next administration could be anything BUT torture.


4 posted on 02/11/2008 8:17:08 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Retire Ron Paul! Support Chris Peden (www.chrispeden.org))
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To: SmithL

Take the people who write cr@p like this, strap them into “the comfy chair,” strap their heads so they can’t look away from a screen, sew their eyelids, open and make them watch Muslim “best of” decapitation videos, images of the our troopers that got captured, mutiliated and murdered, and images from victims from suicide bombings for 24 hours straight.

Hell, start with Juan McCain.

Then we’ll see how they feel about torture.


5 posted on 02/11/2008 8:17:25 AM PST by Little Ray (A nation is defined by its Borders, Language, and Culture.)
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To: SmithL

“For example, the United States used that standard to prosecute Japanese soldiers in World War II for using waterboarding, sleep deprivation and freezing temperatures to torture American soldiers.”

The keyword there is ‘torture’. It was done for no tactical reasons, only for the sheer joy of it. As usual, the bleeding hearts miss the difference between torture and interrogation.


6 posted on 02/11/2008 8:20:23 AM PST by RWB Patriot
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To: SmithL
Maybe, they'll even accept the Geneva Convention, too.

Yes, of course, we know they will, they were just waiting to fall right in line behind The Great Satan in how it decides to treat it's detainees.

7 posted on 02/11/2008 8:21:42 AM PST by top 2 toe red (Politics are about compromise, not about getting everything you want.... Truthsearcher)
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To: SmithL
the United States used that standard to prosecute Japanese soldiers in World War II

Of course it did, dimwit.

Those were professional soldiers in uniform and operating with the color of the authority of the government of Japan during a time of open warfare between opposing armed forces.

Not some ragheads running around murdering civilians under no legal act of war or pretext of legality under the Geneva Convention at all.

8 posted on 02/11/2008 8:22:29 AM PST by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: ilgipper

Well, maybe they at least won’t do any of that horrific waterboarding before they do the beheading.


9 posted on 02/11/2008 8:24:13 AM PST by top 2 toe red (Politics are about compromise, not about getting everything you want.... Truthsearcher)
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To: SmithL
"Revelations make it clear that Bush still thinks illegal interrogation tactics are OK"

Nope... no bias here... move along...

10 posted on 02/11/2008 8:27:02 AM PST by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: SmithL
The adherents of Radical Islam continue to commit daily atrocities across the globe, and yet on the editorial pages of American newspapers it's "All Abu Ghraib and Gitmo All The Time". Because it's our fault they hate us, you see. To tell the truth, I'm opposed to torture as well...which is why I never read SACBEE editorials.
11 posted on 02/11/2008 8:29:02 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (Kill the terrorists, secure the borders, and give me back my freedom.)
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To: Little Ray

Clockwork Mullahs !


12 posted on 02/11/2008 8:29:04 AM PST by Cheapskate (Still backing Hunter"I refuse to be fitted with collar and chain, and given a pat on the back")
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To: SmithL

So you think you can withstand the soft cushions? We shall see!

Biggles, put her in the comfy chair!

13 posted on 02/11/2008 8:30:27 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
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To: SmithL

I would object to a standing uniformed army of any country using any of these techniques...

But this is not a country we are dealing with- it is a world-wide group of murderering terrorists.

Has he similarly voiced objection to them beheading civilians?


14 posted on 02/11/2008 8:30:33 AM PST by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: Mr. K

aND ANOTHER THING...!

Since the whole world was horrified at the beheadings of civilians and their support started dwindling.. we have not heard many of these happening lately.

So even diaper-head murderous terrorists have more common sense then this author.


15 posted on 02/11/2008 8:33:47 AM PST by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: SmithL

My ex wife was really good at torture.


16 posted on 02/11/2008 8:34:22 AM PST by papasmurf (Under Penalty of Law. DO NOT write below this line.)
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To: SmithL

It never ceases to amaze me that people can’t understand the difference between a captured terrorist - an illegal combatant with essentially no legal protections - and a captured, uniformed soldier.


17 posted on 02/11/2008 8:36:52 AM PST by xjcsa (I hated McCain before hating McCain was cool.)
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To: SmithL

Is beheading torture?


18 posted on 02/11/2008 8:41:24 AM PST by Eva (Benedict Arnold was a war hero, too.)
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To: SmithL

They are beating a dead horse with this one. Let them go ask Nancy Pelosi and Jay Rockefeller why they didn’t object to the water boarding when they were given prior notice of it’s use.


19 posted on 02/11/2008 8:44:19 AM PST by Eva (Benedict Arnold was a war hero, too.)
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To: SmithL

Have you stopped beating your wife yet ?


20 posted on 02/11/2008 8:44:45 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: SmithL
Jack Bauer as chief of interrogations...
21 posted on 02/11/2008 8:52:11 AM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative (Global Warming Heretic -- http://agw-heretic.blogspot.com)
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To: RWB Patriot
The keyword there is ‘torture’. It was done for no tactical reasons, only for the sheer joy of it. As usual, the bleeding hearts miss the difference between torture and interrogation.

I would like to know what John McCain's position would be if his wife and children were held by a terrorist organization and we had one of the ringleaders in our custody. Would he support torture to get the information to save them? If we are to use torture it must be applied in an effective and scientific manner to get the result and information quickly and truthfully. I myself would not hesitate to do this, nor would I derive any pleasure from it. It would be a unpleasant but necessary action in war.

Torture for the sake of enjoyment is an evil evil action. The same action to obtain information against an enemy that is trying to kill you is called war. Some of the most effective "quote torture" is not particularly painfull but it will shake the very soul of the enemy.

We have an enemy out there that wants to kill us. Never forget that.

If you know any WWII vets that fought in Europe on the front lines, ask them if it works.

22 posted on 02/11/2008 9:00:51 AM PST by cpdiii
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To: SmithL
Revelations make it clear that Bush still thinks illegal interrogation tactics are OK

Got to love the way the Leftist media scream a lie then demands everyone debate their lie.

NO, those with actual legal standing (i.e. Judges) in this society have rejected this argument about "illegal interrogation tactics". Their opinion matters where the opinion of a collection of loser 1960's refugees hiding from reality at a dying newspaper is just so much hot air.

23 posted on 02/11/2008 9:02:26 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Tired of the YASGUASMims yet? (You are stupid: Grow up and support McCain.)?)
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To: SmithL
But that all changed with the Bush administration

Names of Democrat leaders who explicitly endorsed "waterboarding" and other techniques when briefed by the CIA: Nancy Pelosi. Jay Rockefeller.

24 posted on 02/11/2008 9:32:09 AM PST by Argus
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To: SmithL

“Editorial: Agenda for next president: A new torture policy “

Yea, if Hilary wins, every evening news from now to the end of 4 years will be torture.


25 posted on 02/11/2008 10:10:26 AM PST by glide625
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To: Nervous Tick

And just what do the enemies of the United States do when they capture one of our people and want information?
You already know the answer to that, don’t you.


26 posted on 02/11/2008 10:18:16 AM PST by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: SmithL

I’ve always been partial to the Al Capone/Louisville Slugger approach. It, and the accompanied brain matter that punctuates the approach, seems to leave a lasting effect on participants.

I’ve always been an old-fashioned kind of guy.


27 posted on 02/11/2008 10:20:55 AM PST by toddlintown (Building More Highways For Children---Huckleberry Talking Point)
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To: pissant
It’s good to know that if thousands of other Americans have to die so the self righteous SACBEE can maintain it’s moral purity, well that’s a sacrifice they are willing to make.
28 posted on 02/11/2008 10:49:15 AM PST by Old North State
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To: Old North State

Can we do a prisoner swap. We’ll give them the SACBEE editorial board in exchange for some poor Iraqi who the jihadis are holding.


29 posted on 02/11/2008 10:50:33 AM PST by pissant (Time for a CONSERVATIVE party)
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To: SmithL

First, let’s torture the editors of all the prominent newspapers.


30 posted on 02/11/2008 3:46:05 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: SmithL

How can it be torture when it isn’t life-threatening (i.e., you can’t drown), and it isn’t painful?

All waterboarding is is a mind trick. The person is tricked into thinking they are drowning.


31 posted on 02/11/2008 3:49:26 PM PST by Tex Pete
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