Posted on 02/11/2008 6:02:50 PM PST by Antenna Wilde
by Antenna Wilde
As the GOP struggles to find it's "voice", the nation seems to have run off with Obama. Looking over the charts and numbers, I find it increasing difficult to come to any other conclusion.
Not only is he mopping up the blue states, he seems to be doing as well—if not better—in the red ones. Take Idaho: huge victory for the GOP in 2004 (Bush won the state with 69%). And here's Obama sweeping Idaho on Super Tuesday with a stunning 80%... to Hillary Clinton's 17.
While all of Hillary victories (except Arkansas) have been in the mid 50's, Obama's have overshadowed her—especially in the red states like Alaska, who gave him 74% to her 25%. Here's a list of the more striking RED STATE victories for Obama over Clinton, in percentages:
Colorado: 67 to 32 Utah: 57 to 39 Kansas: 74 to 26 N. Dakota: 61 to 37 Georgia: 66 to 31 S. Carolina: 55 to 27
Some people may say, "Hey, he won states like South Carolina and Georgia because of the black vote." OK, but how do you explain the rest of them?There is a logical argument to be made for people's utter detest of Hillary Clinton. True, but then why not switch over to McCain? He's been shown to be popular among Independent and swing voters. And how do you explain Obama splitting the vote with Hillary in states like New Mexico, where she (apparently?) gets the latino vote?
Finally, look at Kansas: huge red state like Idaho... and second biggest Obama victory.
It's obvious Obama should get the Democratic nomination, but would someone tell me: why is he sweeping the red states?
Wow, I guess the popular Oprah will get her way after all. People idolize her and her Obama too, so it seems.
JFK would be considered a right wing fanatic compared to today's politicians...
He's anti-Hillary, for now. She's hated more in red states than blue, I think. The general election will be just a little different in those states... and in others...
"Take Idaho: huge victory for the GOP in 2004 (Bush won the state with 69%). And here's Obama sweeping Idaho on Super Tuesday with a stunning 80%... to Hillary Clinton's 17." Oh, give it a rest. If this author thinks a Democrat is going to win Idaho in the general election, he is a fool.
vales = values
Newbie, he's winning DEMOCRATIC primaries in each state you mentioned. If he didn't win it, Hillary would have.
Geez.
wouldn’t that be 80% of the democrats that voted??? Not the population of registered voters
I don’t see the significance of this. So Obama won the DEMOCRAT caucuses in some red states. So what? Democrats always get 100% of the vote in democrat caucuses.
That’s 80% of the state’s democrats; not 80% of the state.
Speaking of Red versus Blue... doesn’t the color designations switch again so that ‘Rats go back to their True Commie Red?
Red states are naturally more conservative. Even the lefties aren’t as die-hard as the big city lefties are.
Obama naturally does better there because folks don’t see him as lefty as Hillary.
That may not be it, but it makes sense here baring any other explanation.
Obama is very probematic too. We have got the worst field I have seen in my life zeroing in on doom this November.
Are you saying that Idaho is now a Blue state because Hillary didn’t win the Rat primary?
I wouldn’t be surprised if it is indicative of the legions on the right, having nothing to vote for in the GOP primary, crossing over to at least get the satisfaction of seeing Hillary go down to ignomonous defeat. (I am certainly tempted to do just that.) It would explain which the Democrats are getting 2x the turnout the GOP is this year.
Do any of his backers have a friggin clue what he stands for? I think not.
Dems normally do win Dem primaries.
No kidding. Imagine if a Democrat was winning the Republican primaries.... wait.... never, mind.
Red states have more real men. Real men detest Hillary. They aren't necessarily voting for Osama Obama, they are voting against Hitlery.
Whoop de doo. Red and blue are all starting to look the same anymore.
BTW, the alternatives will really come into view in the landslide McCain is poised to experience in Nov.
This is a ridiculous question—the so-called “red states” are holding DEMOCRAT primaries—they have to vote for a Democrat!!!!
Contrary to popular belief, there are Democrats in red states and Republicans in blue states!!
Hell naw! After the 2000 baby-Momma drama, the MSM decided to keep the colors as they are, as if the presidential elections were from "The Warriors" movie or something.
solid post
Two years ago there would have been a stench of ozone hanging in the air.
LLS
I am not sure I am following the logic. What one does in a primary in any given state, has little to do with any future performance in said state in the general election.
Republican candidates may do well in typically blue states but I harbor no delusions that will translate into that state turning red in November.
I realize how it must seem to conservatives watching this whole Obama phenomenon unfold. Believe me, his honeymoon will soon end. Once anyone starts digging past the feel-good platitudes and empty rhetoric they will soon discover there is very little there of substance. He is horrible in a debate and only does well parroting well-rehearsed gobbledygook.
This is a little bit of an idiotic article. IMHO
What did they expect? That Mitt Romney would win the ‘Democratic’ vote in Idaho? Of course one Democrat or the other had to win in the Democrat ptimary. Is New Jersey turning read because McCain won the GOP vote there (I think)? Of course it isn’t.
Am I missing the point?
It is called cyanosis.
You’re not even a clever troll. Go back to DU, dimwit.
A lefty Democrat wins Democrat primaries and we’re supposed to take that as a sign the Democrats are going to win Idaho and Kansas in the General Election.....ROFLOL.
Nice try, moron.
Hank
LOL
What is the point of this? How does a Democrat winning a Democrat primary indicate that a Democrat will win the state in November? What a load of crap!
Sorry... I didn’t mean see it was your own article or I wouldn’t have been so personal on the dislike of the content.
I think it is obvious that Democrats in Red States are running as far and fast away from Hillary as possible in order to not polarize the majority of their state against their down ballot candidates.
If the media followed their pattern, yes, the colors should switch. But I think they will stick with the colors as they are now because they have taken on a larger roll than just defining who won a particular state.
He wins a draw because of demographics, energy and the unity of the Party. Bet he will even have a significant funding advantage as well.
Another reason for the Electoral College: to prevent the masses from becoming enamored of a demigod and electing a madman by popular vote.
Spot on. I'm surprised that people aren't seeing or for that matter instinctively knowing this on this forum.
I watched a debate a few weeks ago. Obama keeps talking a very strong hope line. People are latching onto that. Meanwhile, Hillary was more measured and even spoke of having to get initiatives through congress and working across the aisle. I think her frankness and substance in that case hurt her. Obama is a very gifted speaker and that is working to his advantage.
What I am afraid of is if he does win the White House that we will see an agenda similar to that of Jesse Jackson and Sharpton being bully pulpitted. He has been very careful of that and only on the rarest of instance has even come close to breaking into that kind of talk. His wife has been less measured.
Among many things that need addressed in the national agenda are some race issues. The the Jackson/Sharpton modeled solutions aren't really solutions.
1) Those states with large black populations. Louisiana, South Carolina, etc.
2) Those states with very small black populations. Idaho, Iowa, Maine.
He wins the first type of state because of the black vote. In those states, the white vote goes overwhelmingly to Hillary.
He wins the second type of state because the whites in those states think it's a novelty to have a black president, and to show that they aren't racist.
The media isn't picking up on this. But it's happening, outside of home state anomolies like Illinois and Arkansas.
Why not come together and support Huckabie? I mean McCain has less than 2/3 of what he needs to lock it. He is 400 delegate votes out.
Now that it’s down to two men he may not win another state primary...
Super Tuesday here in MA, Pub ballots were blue and ‘Rats were Red. In the FWIW dept, as the enemedia probably prefers that they and their rats keep blue.
This red/blue is nonsense. If you coloured in the map with both in proportion to the votes cast then most states would be more purple than anything else. It’s just another way for lazy media to try and pigeonhole all of us.
I realize that, but IMO you’ll only see an unchecked Obama for about 24 months. The republicans will block all that they can, but it may be a tough road for a few years.
With our buddy McCain doing us favors (knives in the back almost daily), we couldn’t get any relief, if we got back the majority or not.
It’s gonna be ugly no matter what.
How do we get a Red state turning Blue with Dimocrap only votes?
I hardly think a primary proves a red state is turning blue. Maybe it is and maybe it isn’t. The primary results don’t prove it one way or the other.
“Obama naturally does better there because folks don’t see him as lefty as Hillary”
Until you look at his voting record...
He’s worse.
Every four years, Democrats run primaries, caucuses, etc. in the states, territories, and District of Columbia. The Democrats--including those in 'red' states--have to vote for some candidate.
They do seem to be more enthusiastic than usual, though.
Republicans would be too if their candidates were 'new' (such as not a 'white' man) and had--what their constituents consider--good ideas. Unfortunately, the Republicans have a bunch of same-old, same-olds without a single major candidate who even roughly encompasses the views of the vast majority of Republicans.
"Future things swim before me, as in empty outlines and skeletons; all the past is somehow grown dim." - Moby Dick, Ch. 135
Antenna Wilde
Since Jan 31, 2008
Welcome aboard...
Hello , you answered your own question.
Please will people stop believing the Medias’ non
PR blitxz for socialist Obama.
The last open Dem primary had big turn outs but Bill wond becauase the deal he cut with Ross Perot.
Red states are Red because even the Dems are more conservative and thus do not want a return to Bill and Hillary scandal fest.Osama was the lesser of the two evils on the ballot. The dem primary votes do not translate into a general election impact ! There is no connection. The same so called independents voters are just unregistered
Dems ! Please do ot belive the carp on CNN or MSDNC or USATOday, they are just Dem PR divisions.
Is ozone in the air, Bean? I smell Zot...
A lifelong Dim changing parties declaring "There's no way in he77 I would EVER vote for either of those two!"
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