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Chinese Air Defense Now Top Notch
Newsmax ^ | February 12, 2008 | Charles R. Smith

Posted on 02/12/2008 11:04:48 AM PST by Fennie

U.S. defense analysts now consider the Chinese air defense network to be the most dangerous system in the world. The Chinese system is considered more dangerous than the formidable Russian system.

The reason for China's great leap forward into first place is due to the wholesale use of U.S. commercial products that make the Chinese air defense network flexible, easy to upgrade, and though to exploit.

The Chinese investment into its air defense network is calculated to be one-tenth the cost of the U.S. expenditures. The low cost is attributed to what one analyst described as "Cisco in Chinese."

Chinese telecom companies run by the People's Liberation Army frequently steal U.S. industrial and military secrets which are then modified into operational systems for the military. This effort began in 1994 during the Clinton administration and was led by Chinese Gen. Ding Henggao.

Ding should receive a medal for being a hero to the Chinese Communist Party because he was able to obtain a vast array of U.S. technology through a good friend inside the Clinton administration -- then Defense Secretary William Perry. The technology included secure fiber-optic communications electronics.

Ding was able to set his wife, Madam General Nie, up as head of a false corporation that obtained advanced U.S. fiber optic systems. Madam Nie's company was staffed entirely by Chinese army officers who specialized in exploiting communications and electronics...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush; charlesrsmith; chicoms; china; clintoncorruption; clintonlegacy; congress; espionage; exportcontrols; loral; military; nationalsecurity; williamperry
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1 posted on 02/12/2008 11:04:53 AM PST by Fennie
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To: Fennie

Sometimes they steal the technology,

sometimes they buy it from Democrat presidents.


2 posted on 02/12/2008 11:06:15 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Fennie

Yet another example of the Klintoons anti-American bent.


3 posted on 02/12/2008 11:07:29 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion)
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To: Fennie

Don’t worry, what they can’t steal we’ll give them for wal-mart plastic junk and pesticide dumplings.


4 posted on 02/12/2008 11:07:38 AM PST by ketsu
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To: Fennie

Needed: Fifty more B-2’s and 100 more F22’s.


5 posted on 02/12/2008 11:07:40 AM PST by scooter2 (The greatest threat to the security of the United States is the Democratic Party.)
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To: Fennie

Just a small part of the B.J. legacy...


6 posted on 02/12/2008 11:08:07 AM PST by TADSLOS (Juan Hernandez' Battle Cry: "Juan McCain for El Presidente! Si, se puede!")
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To: Fennie

Top notch they say...


7 posted on 02/12/2008 11:08:33 AM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: scooter2
Needed: Fifty more B-2’s and 100 more F22’s.
Why don't we build them for cheaper in Chinese factories? Free trade and all that.
8 posted on 02/12/2008 11:08:50 AM PST by ketsu
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To: Fennie

It is time to execute the spies.


9 posted on 02/12/2008 11:09:12 AM PST by Camel Joe (liberal=socialist=royalist/imperialist pawn=enemy of Freedom)
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To: MrB

And when Obama wins, our tech lead will disappear over night . Of course, he will want summits to deal with the Chinese, as well as all Islamos. He will want to talk them into tolerating us by giving them even sweeter deals in trade. Oh the problems this nation will have when the Dems have the next 16 years in the WH.


10 posted on 02/12/2008 11:09:46 AM PST by phillyfanatic ( tH)
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To: Fennie
though to exploit?.......yeah, things are though all over......
11 posted on 02/12/2008 11:11:18 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: phillyfanatic
And when Obama wins, our tech lead will disappear over night . Of course, he will want summits to deal with the Chinese, as well as all Islamos. He will want to talk them into tolerating us by giving them even sweeter deals in trade. Oh the problems this nation will have when the Dems have the next 16 years in the WH.
Hate to break it to you but the Bushies whore themselves out for the Chicoms too. When they aren't wearing sombreros and eating chalupas.
12 posted on 02/12/2008 11:11:52 AM PST by ketsu
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To: MrB

Export control violations galore.


13 posted on 02/12/2008 11:13:13 AM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgement has come.)
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To: ketsu

What makes you think this is a free trade issue? Would increasing the tariffs on Chinese goods leave the fiber optics unstolen?


14 posted on 02/12/2008 11:13:33 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Fennie

Mac won’t sell us out to Chinese like Klintons. Have been saying it all along.


15 posted on 02/12/2008 11:14:06 AM PST by The_Republican (You know why Chelsea Clinton is so Ugly? Because Janet Reno is her Father! LOL! - Mac is Back!)
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To: Fennie

Great. So now we will have a harder time bombing all those American owned factories.


16 posted on 02/12/2008 11:14:25 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Most men would rather die, than think. Many do.)
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To: Fennie

Yeah, so was Iraq’s


17 posted on 02/12/2008 11:14:50 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: ketsu
Hate to break it to you but the Bushies whore themselves out for the Chicoms too.

Really? Bush selling military tech to the Chinese? Can you point me to a source please?

18 posted on 02/12/2008 11:15:58 AM PST by Shryke
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To: Fennie

Ya think they are as petrified of Islamofascists as we are?


19 posted on 02/12/2008 11:16:32 AM PST by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: AppyPappy

I don’t think Iraq’s air defence compares to what the Chinese have.

And even if they did, I’d say that the Chinese would be better at running the system.


20 posted on 02/12/2008 11:17:37 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Fennie

When did a first class defense ever out perform a first class offense?


21 posted on 02/12/2008 11:18:09 AM PST by RexBeach ("Americans never quit." Douglas MacArthur)
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To: scooter2
Needed: Fifty more B-2’s and 100 more F22’s.

Add 5000 more Tomahawk cruise missiles.

22 posted on 02/12/2008 11:18:33 AM PST by FreedomProtector
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To: Shryke

“Really? Bush selling military tech to the Chinese? Can you point me to a source please?”

Maybe it would help if the administration would deport a few Chinese “students” and H1b’s working in our defense industry.


23 posted on 02/12/2008 11:18:54 AM PST by dljordan
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To: All

"Senator McCain, do you have any comments on this development?"


24 posted on 02/12/2008 11:20:57 AM PST by Brian S. Fitzgerald ("We're going to drag that ship over the mountain.")
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To: scooter2
Needed: Fifty more B-2’s and 100 more F22’s.

And by the time such a war is fought, advanced Chinese UAV's costing a tiny fraction of what we spent on all those new planes will launch kamikaze attacks and annihilate the lot of them in five minutes.

If war is deemed inevitable, it would be better to put the money into our own UAVs, and also into advanced space-based systems that can knock out China's entire electronic infrastructure in a preemptive strike.

25 posted on 02/12/2008 11:22:05 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: ex-snook

Not yet -

but they are going to, as the “American” left is, work with the Islamists to bring America down,

then they think they’ll be able to oppose them after that.


26 posted on 02/12/2008 11:24:46 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Shryke
“Really? Bush selling military tech to the Chinese? Can you point me to a source please?”

Yes, even here in FR land, delusional people want to blame Bush and Karl Rove for everything. They have bought into the mass media hype of anti war politics and the rhetoric of moveon (or is it moron). That is why the republican party and Conservatives are in such trouble for the past few elections. too many people (and trolls) follow the crowd and not their intellect.

I do not like GW for a lot of reasons but selling secrets to our enemies is not one of them.

Draft Jeb Bush

27 posted on 02/12/2008 11:29:28 AM PST by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country)
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To: Fennie

Good post, go to Newsmax and read Smith’s articles on China/Clinton crimes, it’s enough to make one cry:
http://archive.newsmax.com/pundits/archives/Charles_R._Smith-archive.shtml

In the 1990s, agents working for the communist Chinese MID, or Military Intelligence Department, penetrated the American White House at the highest level. China Resources investments in Lippo grew during the course of the Clinton administration, coinciding directly with the illegal six-figure Lippo contributions to Clinton’s cash machine. The money lines between Beijing and Bill Clinton all meet at an unused electric power plant in east Java.

The Clinton power bill has come due.


28 posted on 02/12/2008 11:30:36 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Mr. Jeeves

bttt


29 posted on 02/12/2008 11:32:10 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Don't think I can vote for you John, I'm feelin' like a maverick.)
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To: Shryke

Ya got any proof that Bushies whore themselves out for the Chicoms too?
Go to Newsmax and read more of the articles archived for Charles R. Smith to refresh your memory on the treasonous Clinton WH!


30 posted on 02/12/2008 11:34:16 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: AppyPappy
...so was Iraq’s

Good point - the Chinese did the fiber-optic work on Iraq's air defense sites, IIRC.

31 posted on 02/12/2008 11:34:37 AM PST by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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To: iopscusa; potlatch; devolve; ntnychik; dixiechick2000; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP

32 posted on 02/12/2008 11:34:56 AM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: CarrotAndStick

It did in the day. That’s what the media told us.


33 posted on 02/12/2008 11:38:37 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: iopscusa

Huh? I am asking about Bush. Not Clinton.


34 posted on 02/12/2008 11:39:55 AM PST by Shryke
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Well, it’s quite obvious you have no idea what you’re talking about when you compare a UAV to a manned craft.

Contrary to the SiFi flicks you apparently believe to be “real”, UAV’s today are sitting ducks for anyone with at least a medium level air force or air defense system. And if you think the U.S.'s UAV's have any kind of advantage in this argument, you are sadly mistaken. They are much less capable than a manned system and will remain so for some time. Their ONLY advantage; there's no one on board. And that's not an advantage when someone can and knows how to shoot back... It's called drone target practice at that point.

35 posted on 02/12/2008 11:45:31 AM PST by Freeport
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Well, it’s quite obvious you have no idea what you’re talking about when you compare a UAV to a manned craft.

Contrary to the SiFi flicks you apparently believe to be “real”, UAV’s today are sitting ducks for anyone with at least a medium level air force or air defense system. And if you think the U.S.'s UAV's have any kind of advantage in this argument, you are sadly mistaken. They are much less capable than a manned system and will remain so for some time. Their ONLY advantage; there's no one on board. And that's not an advantage when someone can and knows how to shoot back... It's called drone target practice at that point.

36 posted on 02/12/2008 11:45:41 AM PST by Freeport
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To: Fennie
And Hillary is due to sell them the rest..
Maybe stealth technology, if they havn;t stolen it already..
America is just not equiped to deal with a treasonous President..
37 posted on 02/12/2008 11:50:02 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: TADSLOS

Heil Hitlary! Viva LORAL and Bernie Schwartz!


38 posted on 02/12/2008 11:51:52 AM PST by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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To: Freeport

Please - we aren’t talking about today’s Predator drones here. The war isn’t coming until 2020 or so. The game is going to change so radically by then that any F-22’s in service are going to end up looking like one of Billy Mitchell’s target battleships when the fighting starts. And I’m hoping that the Air Force is well aware of that, and that the huge per-copy cost of the F-22 is actually a cover for spending on other “black” projects, like Mach 6 UAVs.


39 posted on 02/12/2008 11:52:30 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Fennie

And where is our wonderful news media thru all of this?


40 posted on 02/12/2008 11:52:53 AM PST by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Fennie

This is bad news for those who wish to attack China with bombers and other antiquated weapons.


41 posted on 02/12/2008 11:54:27 AM PST by RightWhale (Clam down! avoid ataque de nervosa)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

“And by the time such a war is fought, advanced Chinese UAV’s costing a tiny fraction of what we spent on all those new planes will launch kamikaze attacks and annihilate the lot of them in five minutes. “

I completely disagree. These new B-2’s will have the Cyberdyne upgrades. I’m quite confident they will have a perfect operational record.


42 posted on 02/12/2008 12:02:13 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Shryke
Really? Bush selling military tech to the Chinese? Can you point me to a source please?
The Slimes take

Jorge's dad was up in to his neck in it too from 1974 on.
43 posted on 02/12/2008 12:05:41 PM PST by ketsu
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To: ketsu

Thanks for the link. Not exactly military tech, but “possibly” usable by their military.


44 posted on 02/12/2008 12:24:12 PM PST by Shryke
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To: Fennie

Clinton is still screwing us 7 years after he left office.


45 posted on 02/12/2008 12:47:24 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: RexBeach

The last SuperBowl?

46 posted on 02/12/2008 1:03:52 PM PST by BlueDragon (what a sad song it has become, no?)
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To: Shryke
Thanks for the link. Not exactly military tech, but “possibly” usable by their military.
That's just the tip of the iceberg. Jorge and the Clintins are the brahmins of American politics. Virtually indistinguishable and corrupt to the core.
47 posted on 02/12/2008 1:04:35 PM PST by ketsu
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To: A_Former_Democrat

“And where is our wonderful news media thru all of this?”

Need you ask?

Move along folks. Nothing to see here!


48 posted on 02/12/2008 1:19:54 PM PST by TFMcGuire (Either you are an American, or you are a liberal)
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To: ketsu
Jorge and the Clintins are the brahmins of American politics. Virtually indistinguishable and corrupt to the core.

Yea, right. Indistinguishable? Whatever you are smoking, I suggest you stop.

49 posted on 02/12/2008 1:20:21 PM PST by Shryke
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To: Fennie

Now I guess they are safe from an invasion from Mongolia. I really don’t know who else is planning on invading them.


50 posted on 02/12/2008 1:22:55 PM PST by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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