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Lent fast re-branded as 'Christian Ramadan'
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | 12/02/2008 | Bruno Waterfield

Posted on 02/12/2008 11:35:43 AM PST by forkinsocket

Dutch Catholics have re-branded the Lent fast as the "Christian Ramadan" in an attempt to appeal to young people who are more likely to know about Islam than Christianity.

The Catholic charity Vastenaktie, which collects for the Third World across the Netherlands during the Lent period, is concerned that the Christian festival has become less important for the Dutch over the last generation.

"The image of the Catholic Lent must be polished. The fact that we use a Muslim term is related to the fact that Ramadan is a better-known concept among young people than Lent," said Vastenaktie Director, Martin Van der Kuil.

Three decades ago the Catholic Church was as strict as many Muslims are about Ramadan with a total ban on meat and alcohol during the 40-day Lenten period between Ash Wednesday and Easter.

Most Dutch Catholics now focus on charitable work after the Vatican loosened fasting strictures for all but the first and last days of Lent back in 1967.

Four million Dutch describe themselves as Roman Catholics and 400,000 people attend Mass every week but only a few tens of thousands still mark Lent by fasting, said Mr Van der Kuil

Vastenaktie organisers hope that by linking the festival to Ramadan they can remind Christians who may be less observant than Muslims of the "spirituality and sobriety" of Lent.

"The agreements are more striking than the differences. Both for Muslims and Catholic faithful the values of frugality and spirituality play a central role in this tradition," said Mr Van der Kuil.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: anticatholic; antichristian; catholic; christianity; christians; church; dhimmis; dhimmitude; dutch; eurabia; europeanchristians; grinchstoleeaster; holland; islam; lent; muslims; netherlands; ohbrother; ramadan; religiousintolerance
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1 posted on 02/12/2008 11:35:45 AM PST by forkinsocket
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To: forkinsocket

My head just exploded


2 posted on 02/12/2008 11:37:19 AM PST by Dinah Lord (fighting the Islamofascist Jihad - one keystroke at a time...)
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To: forkinsocket

blasphemy


3 posted on 02/12/2008 11:37:26 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: forkinsocket

Any bets on how long Europe has left?


4 posted on 02/12/2008 11:37:49 AM PST by Callahan
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To: forkinsocket

You needed a duct tape alert on this post!


5 posted on 02/12/2008 11:39:10 AM PST by EBH ( J. Galt for President)
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To: forkinsocket

I’ve got a better idea: call it “Fortydaysjustlike_JESUS_the_Crucified_Messiah_inthedesert”.


6 posted on 02/12/2008 11:39:18 AM PST by fishtank (Fenced BORDERS, English LANGUAGE, Patriotic CULTURE: A good plan.)
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To: Dinah Lord

Does this make suicide bombings the Muslim Communion?


7 posted on 02/12/2008 11:39:48 AM PST by Callahan
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To: forkinsocket

Which goes first into dhimmi status: England, France or the Netherlands?


8 posted on 02/12/2008 11:40:23 AM PST by Greg F (A vote for Huckabee is now a pure vote for a contested convention. Think about it.)
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To: Greg F

Isn’t the Netherlands already there?


9 posted on 02/12/2008 11:41:58 AM PST by Dinah Lord (fighting the Islamofascist Jihad - one keystroke at a time...)
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To: forkinsocket
Four million Dutch describe themselves as Roman Catholics and 400,000 people attend Mass every week.

So, there are 400,000 Dutch Roman Catholics.

10 posted on 02/12/2008 11:42:49 AM PST by Prokopton
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To: Callahan

Does this make suicide bombings the Muslim Communion?
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No, ‘Christian Charity’ brother. RIP in the ROP Europe . . . or wake up. Europe needs to be re-evangelized.


11 posted on 02/12/2008 11:43:31 AM PST by Greg F (A vote for Huckabee is now a pure vote for a contested convention. Think about it.)
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To: forkinsocket

Now we have officially entered the Bizarro world.


12 posted on 02/12/2008 11:43:39 AM PST by The_Republican (You know why Chelsea Clinton is so Ugly? Because Janet Reno is her Father! LOL! - Mac is Back!)
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To: Greg F

I like that:

RIP in the ROP.


13 posted on 02/12/2008 11:44:24 AM PST by Greg F (A vote for Huckabee is now a pure vote for a contested convention. Think about it.)
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To: forkinsocket
I have a feeling that someone at this Vastenaktie charity is going to be getting a strongly worded letter from the Pope.
14 posted on 02/12/2008 11:45:21 AM PST by Condor51 (Vote McInsane or Ugga-Bugga? Decisions, decisions, decisions.)
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
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15 posted on 02/12/2008 11:47:21 AM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: forkinsocket

I’ve been a Catholic for nearly 58 years and have never heard Lent referred to as a “festival”. Am I missing something? Lenten “Season”, yes. Festival? no.

I await comment from Pope Benedict on this.


16 posted on 02/12/2008 11:48:04 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: forkinsocket

The deChristianization of the Netherlands and Belgium became very apparent to me when I began to purchase gorgeous Christian vestments on eBay costing less—including shipping—than a good dinner at Red Lobster.


17 posted on 02/12/2008 11:48:14 AM PST by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be Exorcised.)
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To: forkinsocket

I was really hoping this was satire. We’re DOOMED!


18 posted on 02/12/2008 11:50:13 AM PST by marinamuffy ("..pacifism ensures that cruelty will prevail on earth." - Dennis Prager)
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To: forkinsocket
The changes actually took place some 40 years ago as a result of the Vatican II council (1962-1965).

The Dutch word for "lent" is vasten (similar to the German word), but the Dutch word for "spring" is lente. In other words, the English word "lent" originally just meant spring, and in fact is related to "long" and "lengthen"--it's the season when the days are gettig longer. The early Anglo-Saxons were incorrigibly Northern Hemisphere-biassed.

There's no connection with English "lent" and Latin lente--lent just seems to go slowly.

19 posted on 02/12/2008 11:56:25 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: forkinsocket

For how many years has the left been telling us that Christianity is ‘scary’ because Christians are ‘judgmental’ and want to force their views on others? Then along comes radical Islam, which announces they’re going to take over the world and behead anyone who won’t accept Islam. To prove they’re serious, they then start blowing up American buildings, murdering innocent people, and behead a few infidels on international television. I’m still waiting for the left to call Islam ‘judgmental’, or object to Islam being forced on the world. Now Christians are practically apologizing for not being ‘Islamic’ enough. I, for one, am mad as hell, and I’m dusting off my Crusaders’ sword!


20 posted on 02/12/2008 12:07:59 PM PST by Spok (Ignorance is no excuse-it's the real thing.)
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To: Spok
Then along comes radical Islam, which announces they’re going to take over the world and behead anyone who won’t accept Islam.

Adherents of Islam tend to be small, brown, Third World people. The Left can't get its collective mind around the concept that small, brown, Third World people can sometimes be judgmental, theocratic oppressors. It just can't be right...so it must somehow be the fault of the big, mean, white, New World Christians who provoked them. ;)

21 posted on 02/12/2008 12:12:47 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: forkinsocket
Dutch Catholics have re-branded the Lent fast as the "Christian Ramadan" in an attempt to appeal to young people who are more likely to know about Islam than Christianity.

Pope Benedict ... please do something about this man. And quickly.

22 posted on 02/12/2008 12:14:06 PM PST by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: Spok

have fun with your sword, i’ll be about half a mile behind you with a good rifle. :)


23 posted on 02/12/2008 12:18:43 PM PST by absolootezer0 (white male christian hetero married gun toting SUV driving motorcycle riding conservative smoker)
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To: forkinsocket; zot; Interesting Times

another step toward dhmmitude.


24 posted on 02/12/2008 12:18:43 PM PST by GreyFriar ( 3rd Armored Division - Spearhead)
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To: Dinah Lord

There is no light at the end of this tunnel. We are on the downward spiral!


25 posted on 02/12/2008 12:18:56 PM PST by ronnie raygun (Id rather be hunting with dick than driving with ted)
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To: forkinsocket
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26 posted on 02/12/2008 12:18:56 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: forkinsocket

I don’t think so. Christians don’t go into a mad killing frenzy at the end of their fasting. They don’t celebrate by blowing up Christians and Jews.


27 posted on 02/12/2008 12:20:57 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Spok

Don’t worry. There is a King that will be riding on His white horse with a sword of His own very soon!!!


28 posted on 02/12/2008 12:22:23 PM PST by Anti-Hillary (Lest anyone forgot, WE ARE AT WAR!!!!! NOW IS NOT THE TIME IN HISTORY TO TEACH THE PARTY A LESSON!!)
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To: forkinsocket

Western civilization is over. Stock up on ammunition.


29 posted on 02/12/2008 12:22:55 PM PST by Doohickey (McCain 2008: A President with Tourette's will make press conferences interesting...)
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To: forkinsocket

“The fact that we use a Muslim term is related to the fact that Ramadan is a better-known concept among young people than Lent,”

Another example of the marvelous job the Latin Church has done of catechesis over the past 40 years or so.


30 posted on 02/12/2008 12:32:54 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: forkinsocket

Foolish thinking.


31 posted on 02/12/2008 12:35:42 PM PST by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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To: forkinsocket

My gut reaction is not for polite company. The mind spins.


32 posted on 02/12/2008 12:35:56 PM PST by newzjunkey
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To: Kolokotronis

My head and heart hurts when foolish stuff like this is promoted. Lord have mercy on us all.


33 posted on 02/12/2008 12:38:15 PM PST by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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To: Kolokotronis

I am sure the 400,000 faithful are pretty ticked off right now.


34 posted on 02/12/2008 12:39:57 PM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Anti-Hillary

The King of Kings is coming “soon and very soon”.


35 posted on 02/12/2008 12:40:20 PM PST by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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To: absolootezer0
http://tri.army.mil/LC/CS/csa/m61pod.jpg

THIS SHOULD BE BETTER
36 posted on 02/12/2008 12:43:23 PM PST by Traianus (YES I GOT HIM! BASHAR IS 666....)
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To: forkinsocket

Into the village of Perfect one day came limping this bedraggled and scruffy dog upon three legs. So sad the dog did seem to be that the hamlet’s sole Holy man was taken hold as though by a flash from above in his pity and shame for the creature’s suffering and loss of pride which imaged that of the people who milled about the square as the poor dog hobbled his way amid them.

The people, thought the Holy one, they see not the dog, as they see not their own slowed and stilted gait as the village’s name had come to mean less each day. This dog, the hapless cripple could not even evoke a single act of kindness from one.

The Holy one began to see the true meaning of the flash that cast before his eyes; here was redemption he exclaimed - for the village and this dog sent to teach us true and restore our faith.

“O’ People of Perfect,” he shouted, “Behold before you the dog with but three legs, can you not see him there? It is but for the loss of one leg that he is not proudly trotting among you, attend me now as we bestow on him his regained pride and strong, sure stride.”

And with those words the priest declared that from that moment on the dog would thrust his bent but still strong tail toward the ground and use it thus to take the place of the lost but not forgotten leg.

One by one, the villagers walked by and grabbed their eyes in disbelief as the tail turned down toward the ground and pushed so hard a shudder coursed through the stringy, bedraggled creature before them.

“Walk, the Holy one commanded!”

Stiffening at first, the left front leg showed sinews so long abused that they quivered for a bit, the right leg flexed and toes outstretched and now the left hind leg began to push; a sigh escaped among the awestruck crowd now grown so large to fill the square - “Walk,” they cried. “Walk like a king,” they implored.

The milling horde moved closer now in exaggerated mime, every fiber of their being directed at the miracle before them as though their own strong step would pass unto the dog still standing there on stiffened, unstarted strut; the tail now made into a leg curled somewhat and appeared to move toward the earth that bound it still.

The mass about the dog had grown quiet now, all attention upon the new leg, hundreds of wills working as one to loose those bonds and the dog’s ears lifted, I swear it smiled.

Then with but the least bit of yelp and scratch of nails, the hindmost leg bent forward first, slid back and begun to lift, the dog was standing on his tail.

Alas, the dog plopped to the ground, the crowd clamored and quarrled and shoved each other about, the priest was brushed aside in a grumbled “Fraud...” as the crowd became as before, a sullen group of untouched grumps walking only to keep from going home.

And no one looked behind to see the silly mutt lying gleefully on his back as he licked the hand of the Holy man who but shook his head sadly as the dog waved gloriously at the backs of the disappearing crowd with his tail flapping like a gale-blown flag.

For even this sorry, scruffy excuse for a dog knew that if calling a tail a leg makes not it so, why cannot the wisest know.


37 posted on 02/12/2008 12:45:19 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Traianus

that’d be fun, but it lacks that personal touch and satisfaction. :)


38 posted on 02/12/2008 12:45:32 PM PST by absolootezer0 (white male christian hetero married gun toting SUV driving motorcycle riding conservative smoker)
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To: forkinsocket

How is in that kids are more familiar with Ramadan than Lent?

What does this say about Christianity and taking the gospel out to the world?

Might be they deserve what they get


39 posted on 02/12/2008 12:48:08 PM PST by ears_to_hear
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To: Dinah Lord

They both are similar and reflect the need to abstain from eating to insure good health


40 posted on 02/12/2008 12:49:46 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . "You can't be that way"......... Clint)
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To: forkinsocket

I’m a Catholic and this allows me to expand my self-denial. I’m giving up sweets for Lent, and diversity, multiculturalism, moral relativity, ecumenism and all vestiges of political correctness for Christian Ramadan.


41 posted on 02/12/2008 12:53:49 PM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: Callahan
how long Europe has left?

Left??? They're already lost!

42 posted on 02/12/2008 12:54:45 PM PST by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Dinah Lord

Dinah Lord, you took the words right out of my mouth. Before which I had NONE.

We had friends who lived in Damascus, thinking ‘living in another culture would be so enriching.’ (libs). They came back, really HATED that culture. She said that during Ramadan they had all-night, every-night feasts and drinking to excess, that ended as the sun came up.

As Christians, thinking ‘fasting’ and what it meant to them, she said it was just disgusting to see the contrast. The entire experience was disgusting, actually.

This was about 1984, a little pre-jihad, although probably not really.


43 posted on 02/12/2008 12:55:12 PM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: al_c

Hey all you Dutch pseudo-Catholics, you certainly haven’t given up licking Muzzie ass for Lent or whatever other blasphemous term you want to give to it. Yum-Yum! Can’t get enough! If I lap it up more cravenly will you kindly not cut off my head?


44 posted on 02/12/2008 1:05:33 PM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: forkinsocket
I have a better idea. Brand them as heretics, offer them a chance to reconcile, then excommunicate them if they refuse.

Where is the Inquisition when you need ‘em?

45 posted on 02/12/2008 1:09:24 PM PST by Little Ray (So its McCain or Huckabee? Pass me the bloody KoolAid.)
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To: Verginius Rufus

Why did every movement toward total decadence in the world seem to start in the sixties? Vatican II was no more enlightening than the Great Society and improbably more harmful.


46 posted on 02/12/2008 1:12:31 PM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: Dionysius
and diversity, multiculturalism, moral relativity, ecumenism and all vestiges of political correctness for Christian Ramadan.

I’m giving them up forever.

Muslims must present non-Muslims with the three choices of the Koran - Sura 9:29: conversion, submission with second-class status under Islamic rule, or death.

It's my death or the Muslim's. I'm going to have to change my tagline one of these days.

47 posted on 02/12/2008 1:24:12 PM PST by FatherofFive (Choose life!)
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To: GreyFriar
another step toward dhmmitude.

Yes, and voluntarily taken.

48 posted on 02/12/2008 1:35:55 PM PST by zot
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To: Callahan
Not long, not long at all.

You will see the first European nations start to fall by 2020 and after that it will be a quick succession.

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

49 posted on 02/12/2008 1:38:59 PM PST by expatguy ("An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - New & Improved - Now with Search)
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To: Patriotic1
I am sure the 400,000 faithful are pretty ticked off right now.

Here's hoping that their displeasure is reflected in the amount of money NOT collected by this charitable organization and its boneheaded director.

50 posted on 02/12/2008 1:41:07 PM PST by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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