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The Battle Begins--McCain vs. Obama.
The Weekly Standard | Frontpagemagazine ^ | February 13, 2008 | Stephen F. Hayes

Posted on 02/13/2008 4:44:50 AM PST by SJackson

JOHN MCCAIN AND Barack Obama swept the Chesapeake Primaries, as expected. With his victories last night, McCain further solidified his status as the almost-certain nominee of his party. Obama, meanwhile, has taken a lead among delegates to the Democratic convention and is now arguably the frontrunner.

With the outcomes last night widely expected, aides to both Obama and McCain had plenty of time to craft victory speeches that would reflect their candidate's thinking on the state of the race. And with varying degrees of intensity, both men used that freedom to begin to frame a McCain-versus-Obama general election contest, something that is starting to look more likely than not. If that happens, viewers watching the speeches tonight saw a preview of the coming debate.

McCain, for his part, borrowed extensively from Hillary Clinton's dualist critique of Barack Obama: Hope is no substitute for action, and experience matters.

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1 posted on 02/13/2008 4:44:52 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson

“McCain, for his part, borrowed extensively from Hillary Clinton’s dualist critique of Barack Obama: Hope is no substitute for action, and experience matters.”

And, Hillary’s critique worked so well, didn’t it?


2 posted on 02/13/2008 4:49:14 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Ron Paul - building a bridge to the 19th century.)
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To: SJackson

Clash of the Socialists!! yay


3 posted on 02/13/2008 4:50:21 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Member of the irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.)
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To: SJackson

McCain is in big trouble.

Obama = Change

McCain = Grumpy Old Washington Insider

Romney’s “Washington is Broken” message stood a chance.

Unfortunately, the Republican establishment was betting on Hillary.

They lost.


4 posted on 02/13/2008 4:50:32 AM PST by 1curiousmind (Republican Primary now mimicks Survivor- only the truly gifted liars are left)
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To: SJackson
It will be comical to see an old, angry, turkey-necked McCain going up against an energetic, youthful, charismatic, Harvard Law Review Editor in Chief, Obama.

In a society where style triumphs over substance and when the conservative base is demoralized, McCain doesn’t stand a chance. Look for a rout.

5 posted on 02/13/2008 4:53:40 AM PST by MBB1984
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To: 1curiousmind
Romney got monkey stomped. i was going to vote for him in Texas but his Washington outsider message was weak obviously. McCain will get these important swing voting blocks:

Senior citizens
White blue collar males
Hispanics
Jewish voters (Lieberman)

6 posted on 02/13/2008 4:54:30 AM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: SJackson

Isn’t it over already?


7 posted on 02/13/2008 4:54:46 AM PST by period end of story
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To: SJackson

McCain is a tired, old Washington insider who is out of touch and part of the problem.

Obama is a vibrant, newbbie with charisma, and has only been on the national Wash scene for a year or so.

Obama wins.

The GOP gets smeared in ‘08 big time.


8 posted on 02/13/2008 4:55:10 AM PST by Edit35
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To: normy

This is one senior citizen vote (in TX) he will not be getting!


9 posted on 02/13/2008 4:57:35 AM PST by mathluv
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To: MBB1984

That’s why we have to rally around McCain and help him get elected!

I’m not going down that road to Socialism w/ Obama or Hillary without a FIGHT!

Even if McCain isn’t “conservative” enough for you, he’s a darn sight better than either of the alternatives!

Time to UNITE and GET BUSY!


10 posted on 02/13/2008 4:58:28 AM PST by mossyoaks (Victory for W!!)
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To: Rock&RollRepublican

Seems to me I remember about 40 years ago, everyone said that Kennedy was going to be the next President and that Nixon should go away.

There is so much similar these days to what happened 40 years ago. History repeating itself.


11 posted on 02/13/2008 4:58:30 AM PST by southlake_hoosier (.... One Nation, Under God.......)
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To: normy

“...but his Washington outsider message was weak obviously.”

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Yes, particularly with the host of insiders who all lined up behind McCain.

Just wait. It’ll be a much bigger deal in the GE.


12 posted on 02/13/2008 4:58:36 AM PST by 1curiousmind (Republican Primary now mimicks Survivor- only the truly gifted liars are left)
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To: SJackson

McCnutts ego is going to hurt more than just the republican party.

Regards


13 posted on 02/13/2008 4:58:59 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: mathluv

Who will then? Obama?


14 posted on 02/13/2008 4:59:19 AM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: mathluv

If you don’t vote, you’re handing the White House to the democrats!

Is that REALLY what you want to do??


15 posted on 02/13/2008 5:00:37 AM PST by mossyoaks (Victory for W!!)
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To: SJackson

Soros’ money will keep Juan on a respirator just long enough for him to be fresh meat for the DNC in November.


16 posted on 02/13/2008 5:01:15 AM PST by TADSLOS (Juan Hernandez' Battle Cry: "Juan McCain for El Presidente! Si, se puede!")
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To: 1curiousmind
Romney’s “Washington is Broken” message stood a chance.

Exactly. There are good strong conservative REpublicans who had planned to run for local office in '08, but withdrew their petitions last week when Romney dropped out, McCain rose, and it became evident Obama was gonna win.(I am serious about this)

Who wants to be a 'down ticket' candidate underneath a tired old, not-too-healthy Washington insider ticket with a cantankerous man like McCain who curses everything, and is half Democrat.

I have never been more demoralized in my 35 year political watching career than I am this week.

17 posted on 02/13/2008 5:02:18 AM PST by Edit35
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To: mossyoaks

So its a slower road to Socialism, right?


18 posted on 02/13/2008 5:02:55 AM PST by Sybeck1 (You trust this joker on the Supreme Court? He did vote to confirm Ruth Buzzie Ginsburg!)
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To: DugwayDuke
Hope is no substitute for action, and experience matters.”

Hillary and McCain are both experienced experts at back stabbing.

19 posted on 02/13/2008 5:03:27 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: SJackson
The Battle Begins--McCain vs. Obama.

I'd expect crap like this on a MSNBC headline...

20 posted on 02/13/2008 5:04:01 AM PST by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: SJackson

McCain has had a lot of experience at screwing over the people who are now supposed to vote for him.

This voter will treat him the same way “the maverick” treated us.

Go for it old fart, hope you get those Dems and moderates to turn out for you.


21 posted on 02/13/2008 5:04:14 AM PST by indylindy (Nothing left to say.)
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To: SJackson

Fox news interviewed an Obama supporter in a Cleaveland diner for brekfast. The man said healthcare was his most important issue and he needed his health insurance costs to go Down. He then said and I’m not lying, I hope he (Obama) doeesn’t act like the rest of them and raise taxes.


22 posted on 02/13/2008 5:04:32 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . "You can't be that way"......... Clint)
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To: SJackson

I was ready to rally around McCain after CPAC/Romney’s speech.

And still, he will get my vote.

But Huckabee’s lingering and McCain’s embarrasing numbers against him are deflating my enthusiasm, to say the least.


23 posted on 02/13/2008 5:05:00 AM PST by littlehouse36
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To: org.whodat

“Hillary and McCain are both experienced experts at back stabbing.”

And, Obama is the epitomy of Ali’s ‘Rope-a-dope’ strategy and that will be very difficult for either Clinton or McCain to counter. McCain v. Hillary is much more winnable than McCain v. Obama.


24 posted on 02/13/2008 5:05:48 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Ron Paul - building a bridge to the 19th century.)
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To: 1curiousmind
So will experience, the tax cuts, the war in Iraq and the WOT terror in general.

Will Jewish voters line up behind Barack Hussein Obama or Joe Lieberman's guy? Will Hispanics jump,p to Obama or McCain, will Obamas message about nothing trump substance of serious times?

Hillary was an unlikeable candidate who is also very phony. That did her in against a likable and seemingly genuine Obama. that said he is very very very weak on substance.

If you look at individual states, I think California, New Jersey and Connecticut will all be in play for Republicans while no Red states will be in play for Obama.

25 posted on 02/13/2008 5:06:14 AM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: DugwayDuke
It will work when someone else but Hillary does it and asks specifics. That’s Barack Obama’s weakness.
26 posted on 02/13/2008 5:10:00 AM PST by GAB-1955 (Kicking and Screaming into the Kingdom of Heaven!)
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To: DugwayDuke
True, but McCain in the end would and will lose against either one. But you are correct, against Obama it will be a turkey shoot, McCain will will set a new record.
27 posted on 02/13/2008 5:13:05 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: normy

I hope you’re right. I have my doubts though. I think the most disturbing thing about last night’s results was that Obama did so well with Hispanics. Not good news.


28 posted on 02/13/2008 5:13:16 AM PST by 1curiousmind (Republican Primary now mimicks Survivor- only the truly gifted liars are left)
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To: 1curiousmind
Unfortunately, the Republican establishment was betting on Hillary....They lost.

And like 2006, the large contingent of "I'd rather stay at home true conservatives" played no role.

Sorry, you can't blame the "establishment", whoever thay are, for lousy turnout.

29 posted on 02/13/2008 5:16:21 AM PST by SJackson (If 45 million children had lived, they'd be defending America, filling jobs, paying SS-Z. Miller)
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To: SJackson

I will vote and support John McCain. I’ll take him any day over the crypto-islamic, unpatriotic, Marxist Hussein Obama.
All principles in honor, but those conservatives who boycott this election are giving free reign to Hussein Obama. Islamomarxist populism will conquer the White House if we don’t prevent him.


30 posted on 02/13/2008 5:16:54 AM PST by SolidWood (All conservative effort into retaking Congress!)
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To: normy
Romney got monkey stomped. i was going to vote for him in Texas but his Washington outsider message was weak obviously.

Romney was damaged immensely by Fred Thompson, a tired disfunctional candidate who never had a snowball's chance... but was coerced to enter the race and thus took many Romney votes. (I like Fred, but he had no business running)

Romney was also hurt immensely by a small but passionate group of hard-right subliminal Mormon haters who spent the past year spreading disinformation about Romney based on two or three OLD out-of-context 5-second snippets of YouTube video that proved nothing and only distorted Romney's fairly conservative record on social issues.

These Romney haters launched a massive email, snail mail campaign, and had infiltrated American Family Assoc and other conservative groups.

If you need proof of their hatred, consider the fact they are STILL emailing, writing, and posting on FR and other forums incessantly with their hate bombs .... and the man already withdrew nearly two weeks ago.

It is embarrassing in the extreme for such hatred to be couched in the Republican Party.

31 posted on 02/13/2008 5:17:54 AM PST by Edit35
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To: MBB1984
I won't be comical...it will wind up being frightening. What exactly is Obama's 'change?' Anyone? Its not too late...McCain stands a chance against Hillary. Even if McCain loses to Hillary at least we know what to expect from the previous 'Clinton Occupation.' Obama...who knows? Is there any actual Obama plan out there?

I can't believe I am saying this, but those who can cross over in the primaries should...Hillary!

32 posted on 02/13/2008 5:21:53 AM PST by PennsylvaniaMom (I do not want people to be agreeable, as it saves me the trouble of liking them. Jane Austen.)
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To: 1curiousmind

I’m afraid I must agree with you. Can you imagine debates in the fall with young, articulate, charismatic Obama against old, crochety McCain? It will not be pretty to watch.


33 posted on 02/13/2008 5:22:23 AM PST by IndyTiger
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To: mossyoaks

“Even if McCain isn’t “conservative” enough for you, he’s a darn sight better than either of the alternatives!”

Obama would be a disaster for America.

“The CIA-Brzezinski-Soros candidate specialized in duping gullible voters, wants to bomb Pakistan, a country of 160 million people that actually might fight back with nuclear weapons.” Jake Tapper

I financially supported Fred Thompson and then Mitt Romney. McCain certainly is not my 1st choice by a long shot but I will not sit by and watch this guy sail into the Whitehouse without a fight. The military in Virginia spoke last night and if for no other reason, I will support their choice at this point.


34 posted on 02/13/2008 5:22:23 AM PST by Minn. 4 Bush
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To: Rock&RollRepublican

“If you need proof of their hatred, consider the fact they are STILL emailing, writing, and posting on FR and other forums incessantly with their hate bombs .... and the man already withdrew nearly two weeks ago.

It is embarrassing in the extreme for such hatred to be couched in the Republican Party.”

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Good post. You’re dead on.


35 posted on 02/13/2008 5:23:02 AM PST by 1curiousmind (Republican Primary now mimicks Survivor- only the truly gifted liars are left)
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To: 1curiousmind
The biggest concern is that the democratic base will be more than energized, they will be on fire for Obama. The Republican base, the conservatives, will be tepid at best.

It will be difficult to fire up the conservatives with the sad, tired refrain that McCain is “not quite as bad” as Obama.

36 posted on 02/13/2008 5:23:27 AM PST by MBB1984
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To: Rock&RollRepublican

Romney lost fair and square. Get over it already and lay off Fred. He was the real conservative in the race
37 posted on 02/13/2008 5:23:58 AM PST by ari-freedom (Pragmatism: the 4th leg of conservatism.)
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To: MBB1984

well if they stay home they will get the obama they deserve


38 posted on 02/13/2008 5:25:09 AM PST by ari-freedom (Pragmatism: the 4th leg of conservatism.)
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To: IndyTiger

I really hope that McCain can do well against him. But you know that even when a Republican wins a debate, the MSM spin it into, at best, a tie.

Let’s face it, McCain even has to use a teleprompter in his victory speaches. And he’s monotone, and simply uninspiring.

I believe even the McCain backers will have to admit that is true.


39 posted on 02/13/2008 5:27:21 AM PST by 1curiousmind (Republican Primary now mimicks Survivor- only the truly gifted liars are left)
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To: Rock&RollRepublican

“It is embarrassing in the extreme for such hatred to be couched in the Republican Party.”

You took the words right out of my mouth!


40 posted on 02/13/2008 5:27:43 AM PST by Minn. 4 Bush
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To: SJackson
And like 2006, the large contingent of "I'd rather stay at home true conservatives" played no role.

Although I voted in 2006, I was totally demoralized over the GWB/Republican efforts to give AMNESTY to 20 million illegals, and to simultaneously INCREASE the number of poor, downtrodden, defacto socialist third-world illegals into America.

As a volunteer poll worker who spoke to thousands of Republicans in 2006, I am confident when I say that 40% of the Republicans who switched to Democratics (or didn't bother to vote) were upset at the GOP/White House stance on illegal immigration.

Another 40% were demoralized (falsely) by the slow Iraq war progress, and the other 20% by the Foley/Abramoff scandals which naturally were hyped by the liberal press ad naseum.

As for illegal immigration, I an many others view illegal immigration as the BIGGEST threat to America's future ..... not terror.

AlQaeda could NEVER launch an invasion of America. We are too strong and resolute militarily against armed enemies.

But we sit idly by as English is deemed almost second class, and as Latin socialists gain electoral power day by day.

Eventually, states such as Texas, Florida, Arizone, and California REALLY will have the desire to succeed from the union, and short of civil war, there won't be much the US government can do to stop it.

Hope I'm not being hysterical. Just realistic.

41 posted on 02/13/2008 5:29:11 AM PST by Edit35
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To: SJackson
I’m disappointed in FReepers actually thinking Obama will be the nominee. It’s like none of you know what the Clintons are capable of. Hillary would sneak into Obamas room and rip out his jugular with her bare teeth before she would let him win.
42 posted on 02/13/2008 5:31:24 AM PST by bigjoesaddle (McCain is a liar and a crook. See amnesty and Keating Five.)
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To: 1curiousmind
Trust me.. when the summer comes - the luster of Obama will fade - he is a T-shirt of the moment. People want experience, not a rock star. By November Obama will be "He was so 6 months ago" to the kids, and they won't come out and vote for him.
43 posted on 02/13/2008 5:31:30 AM PST by cdnerds
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To: DugwayDuke

I haven’t been so excited since Billy Jean King played Bobby Riggs. (sarcasm)


44 posted on 02/13/2008 5:32:12 AM PST by popdonnelly (Get Reid. Salazar, and Harkin out of the Senate.)
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To: mossyoaks
If you don’t vote, you’re handing the White House to the democrats! Is that REALLY what you want to do??

Lets see. The stuff I really care about:

The Democrats will continue to promote abortion. Based on his voting record, McCain will continue to promote abortion.

The Democrats will tax the snot out of me. Based on his voting record, McCain will, too.

The democrats will confiscate my firearms. Based upon his voting record, McCain will, too.

The democrats will grant amnesty to illegals swarming into this country. Based on his voting record, McCain will, too.

The democrats will restrict my first amendment rights. Based on his voting record, McCain will, too.

Seems to me, if I vote for McCain, I AM voting for a democrat.....at least as far as the things I find important are concerned.

45 posted on 02/13/2008 5:32:31 AM PST by RepRivFarm
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To: cdnerds

Man, I hope you’re right.


46 posted on 02/13/2008 5:36:21 AM PST by 1curiousmind (Republican Primary now mimicks Survivor- only the truly gifted liars are left)
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To: normy

I will vote for someone other than the huckster or mccainniac. I have not seen the ballot yet.


47 posted on 02/13/2008 5:36:25 AM PST by mathluv
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To: All

Obama will crash the day he will open his outh at the national debates.


48 posted on 02/13/2008 5:37:12 AM PST by drzz
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To: mossyoaks

I did not say I would not vote. Besides, I am talking about the TX primary, not next Nov. I really don’t know what I will do then.


49 posted on 02/13/2008 5:37:25 AM PST by mathluv
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To: ari-freedom
McCain must be proactive if he really wants their vote. He can win it if he gives assurances at least on some crucial issues, such as judicial nominees, that he will be a true conservative.

A true conservative Vice President nominee would also be a very prudent investment for victory.

50 posted on 02/13/2008 5:39:17 AM PST by MBB1984
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