Posted on 02/13/2008 6:31:47 AM PST by dangus
Still using erroneous NASA data.
Note also that with no El Nino at all, NOAA called 2005 just barely cooler than 1998. Last year's El Nino was very weak; somewhat surprisingly, the subsequent La Nina has turned out to be fairly strong, so since October that cooling influence has been noticeable. Hence your temperature "plunge" in 2008.
The La Nina influence is truly stunning. Here's the anomaly map for February 11:
Here's the sea surface height anomalies for January 20. The central La Nina depression is very strong. Interesting that the Arabian Sea had positive anomalies in January.
It'll be interesting to see when the La Nina dissipates. This is really an important event.
What exactly do the quotes around "plunge" imply?
But the obligatory "global warming" warming is there, towards the end of the episode, hoping that the viewer has forgotten the first half of the presentation, where the explicit statement has been made, that "people expect the weather they have experienced during their lifetimes as 'normal', whereas the one constant, forever, with climate has been its cycles and variability".
Why is current "science" held suddenly in such low regard?
Simple. For the last 20 years or so, it has ceased to be science. It is now political hysteria.
Not dueling data sources, though. You’re just using stale data.
>> Last year’s El Nino was very weak; <<
You’re confusing the El Nino with a global temperature surge, and a La Nina with a global temperature plunge The El Nino effect in the equatorial Pacific ocean was far from 1998, but rather strong. Conversely now, what you’re calling La Nina is mostly dead. Look at your own map: The Pacific coast of Latin America isn’t cool at all! There are residual effects in the mid-Pacific equator, but that’s a small portion of the total global cool-weather anomaly: There’s a cold band wrapping the globe at 60 degrees South. There’s a massive cold band in the Pacific northeast (which is contradictory to La Nina’s, incidentally). The Indian ocean, despite the sea height anomaly you point out, is actually cold. It’s cold all over.
>> Note also that with no El Nino at all, NOAA called 2005 just barely cooler than 1998. <<
I think I did: “On the other hand, what had been a phenomenal aberration in 1998 had become commonplace in the new millennium.”
>> It’ll be interesting to see when the La Nina dissipates. This is really an important event. <<
It is dissipating; that’s why this new data is so surprising.
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I'm pointing out that finding significance in an eight-year trend is an exercise in futility.
GW is the law.
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Good stuff ... but it’s still only one year — not nearly enough to indicate a trend of any sort.
>> I’m pointing out that finding significance in an eight-year trend is an exercise in futility. <<
We agree. Im not saying that this cooling is going to become a disastrous cooling trend. I’m only pointing out that a brief warm spell does not a global calamity make. But it’s truly astounding cherry picking of data to use 8-year trends, when the last surge in warming happened exactly eight years ago. Why not use a five year trend? Oh, that’s right... the trend tips the wrong way.
>> Good stuff ... but its still only one year not nearly enough to indicate a trend of any sort. <<
Check out post #34.
I don't think I'm confusing anything. El Nino years are generally warm years (globally), and La Nina years are generally cool years (globally). That's because the Pacific is a big area of water, exerting an influence on the global averages.
Based on the indices, this La Nina is not "mostly dead". The Pacific Coast of Latin America is a special case; there are winter mountain-pass wind events that cause localized cooling. The warm anomalies there mean that there has been less of these events this winter, so where it usually frequently cold, it has not been as cold as often. The two indices below show the current status of this La Nina. They are acquired from this site: ENSO Quick Look
You can see that this La Nina is comparable in intensity (perhaps not duration yet) to the 1999 La Nina. The next graph shows the time history of this one:
And finally, here's the prediction for the next months:
Now, I don't you to think I'm trying to "snow" you with figures. Based on all of this information, it appears to me that the La Nina is still going, and it's a fairly strong one. I'd expect this to have an influence over much of the world. The figure below shows where La Nina cold events are supposed to have an influence:
Note in particular the east coast of Africa. Certainly this is a statistical compilation; if this teleconnection is happening, it may be displaced northward a bit this time, partially explaining the cool Arabian Sea and Indian Ocean temperatures.
So let's put it this way; the central Pacific Ocean is still much colder than average. Only when that condition subsides will it be possible to get a more complete sense of what global temperatures are doing.
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A La Nina event (which causes cool temperatures in the Pacific) developed, as was no surprise. (I'd almost say these could be thought of as rebounding events after a La Nina, except earth scientists of all stripes would clobber me with ways in which this analogy was misleading... it's not actually known why La Nina events follow El Nino events.)
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A La Nina event (which causes cool temperatures in the Pacific) developed, as was no surprise. (I'd almost say these could be thought of as rebounding events after a El Nino, except earth scientists of all stripes would clobber me with ways in which this analogy was misleading... it's not actually known why La Nina events follow El Nino events.)
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