Posted on 02/13/2008 8:06:19 AM PST by IrishMike
Of all the ways to describe Tuesday night as a bad night for Hillary Clinton, perhaps the most dramatic is to point out this: the pundits on CNN and MSNBC started comparing her to Rudy Giuliani.
Giuliani, of course, has become a national punch line for his decision to skip the first four Republican contests and put all his chips on Florida, where he lost humiliatingly because ... he skipped the first four Republican contests.
Clinton is not in that bad a position, and fans of Barack Obama who are tempted to think so need to refrain from gloating - as of today, Clinton is still way ahead in Ohio, and a Giuliani-like collapse either there or in Texas seems unlikely.
But the tea leaves of Obama's dominating, 20-plus-percentage point win in Virginia - the seat of the old Confederacy, it still bears mentioning - contain bleak auguries for the erstwhile inevitable candidate.
A few striking numbers - some of them stunning numbers - from the Virginia exit polls. Obama carried white men with 55%. He carried Latinos with 55%. He carried Catholics with 52%. He carried voters with incomes under $50,000 with 59%. He carried independents with 62% - and far more independents voted in the Democratic primary, for Obama, than in the GOP primary, for McCain. And he carried Republicans who chose to vote in the Democratic primary (they constituted 7% of the vote) with 70%.
And, lest the Clinton campaign try to say that Obama's win was the result of his popularity among said independents and Republicans? Obama carried Democrats with 59%.
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The STENCH of defeat, they mean..
>> Giuliani, of course, has become a national punch line for his decision to skip the first four Republican contests and put all his chips on Florida, where he lost humiliatingly because ... he skipped the first four Republican contests.
Sadly, something similar happend to Fred Thompson.
He was billed here as the Great Political Wizard for biding his time and jumping in late.
Some of us were skeptical, but the prevailing wisdom on FR was what a genius Fred was for bucking the system.
RIP, Fred. The only candidate that was worth a damn screwed himself, I’m afraid.
Is this one of those primaries where republicans can vote for democraps?
oooohh.... they don’t like it so much when it happens to them.
How many more of these are there?
Republican is decided, so go vote against the witch!! in the democrat primaries, just like they did for us with McCain...
It doesn’t matter what they have to do to get it.
Even if it means DEAD BODIES ... .
That way the GOP will get more black voters.
The Dems better hope she wins the remaining big states and takes the nomination fair and square, because she will figure out a way to get the nomination at the convention. And if she does steal it there will blood in the aisles in Denver. It won’t be pretty. The super delegates are there for a purpose, i.e. keeping real control of the process in the hands of the party bosses and out of the hands of the people who can’t be trusted to follow the script.
Poor Hillary. Where is Lucy Ramirez when she’s needed?
Geez. And I can't get a job as an editor because I don't have a degree. Is it my imagination, or have I seen a higher number of badly written articles posted lately?
My crystal ball may not be better than anyone else's, but I'm not sure why anyone on the GOP side would prefer an Obama candidacy to a Hillary one. People are nuts for Obama. He's young and energetic (if naive and misguided) while our guy is old and not so energetic. Hillary is disliked by so many, she just seems more beatable to me.
I am inclined to believe that. I don't know how, but she will pull something out of her caboose. Look at my tagline... those must be her sentiments, exactly -- LOL
Yeah...I feel about the same way, but it’s a tough call. As long as he remains true to his socialist roots, I believe he can be had. If during the national election he swings a bit to the right (or center, really) he will be hard. Remember: both sides compete for the independents.
She’s not worried. The “Super Delegates” are all Clinton cronies. Obama can only pull so many rabbits out of his hat because Hillary owns the “Magic Show”.
I think most of us agree with you; we just wanted a high dose of chaos for the 'rats. We thought the nominatrix was inevitable, I guess. We misunderestimated the bominator.
Any complacency on Obama’s part at this point could kill his campaign. The serpent is down, but nowhere near out. Until the head is severed from the body— metaphorically speaking of course, she will keep coming back.
That's what's so fascinating! Do you know what kind of hell-to-pay that would engender?
Looks that way. Seems every day some new Rat is giving up on the Clintons. Sort of like dumping the garbage.
I woke up to someone calling into a radio show saying she will get the nomination. Nothing will stand in her way. I agree - if I were Obama I would watch my backside!
No, that’s not the scent of defeat. It’s just the candidate and her spouse.
He doesn’t have to take any position on issues. He is post-issues. He just has to say, “hope,” “believe,” Yes, I can,” and, “They can’t stop you anymore,” and victory is his.
1) Schrillary, Her past BACKERS AND the DNC that SHE (and to a lesser extent Bill) owns has WAY Too much Invested in her getting the Presidency.
2)Think of Judge ships, Legal Bills, Land Bills, CORPORATE & UNION Legislation and ALL of the “Pay-Offs” lobbyists and Special interest Groups that have WAITED YEARS for their “Pay-Offs” to come in -
3) Think of OBAMA, (In Media News) promoted as , “ The MAN with NO Pay-Back Ties “! The “Independent Man”!
Obama will Win a Few More States- THEN
4) Just like Mitt Romeny did: On a Tuesday announce,” I AM IN IT FOR THE LONG TERM” then on a Wednesday , “ I Am Ducking out!”—only AFTER Receiving a Call from the GOP & McShames’ Camp who OFFERED Him the VP Slot if he’d duck out now!....OBAMA will:
5) ...Obama will Announce, “ I am Ducking out, Being the Great Sacrificing, All-Dedicated to the BEST for America, Candidate- and will gladly Join Forces with Hillary to WIN in 08’!!”
THUS The “ CHANGE You can Believe in WITH Experience to get it Done “ TICKET! Obama: CHANGE & Youth/MovingOn Vote SCHRILLARY: EXPERIENCE to DEFEAT Republicans.
“DEFEATING Our Opponents” or rather just plain “ DEFEATING “ Anyone in OUR way IS the real, sole Democrat Platform anyhow. Hillary NEEDS the Youth Vote she lost to Obama- and Obama needs the Experience AND Donation/BIG Cash Cows too for Campaigning.
DA
P.S. Remember (as I am sure OBAMA does deep inside) This name : “ Vince Foster “
We concentrate maybe too much on Hillary Clinton's defeat because what is Barak Hussein Obama but her long dark shadow? To the black's he black, to all other liberals he's the perfect poster boy for a multicultural, multi-ethnic candidate. He's the perfect voice for liberalism, masterful at speaking eloquently about nothing. He's the perfect face to raise up the white guilt factor that seems to be festering inside of the dufus whites who have bought into the "we are responsible for slavery" line.
Sometimes I don't know why I even bother to make such posts, no matter who wins the next election, IslamoBama, hitlery, or McInsane, America loses big.
Trying to decide who is the LESSER of the devils for November. I cannot stand Hillary. Obama is a true Marxist. I don’t believe McCPain is a true conservative. Difficult days ahead.
She is more dangerous than Obama. She may be more beatable than Obama, but I wouldn’t count on it. Why take the chance?
If Hillary can’t beat an upstart like Obama she doesn’t deserve to be in the race. I almost feel sorry for her—almost.
When a rat is cornered it will fight harder and meaner—the Clintons are masters of mean.
I agree with you, but what will the reaction be by those who voted for Obama? A big part of Obama’s support comes from people who are notoriously susceptible to bizarre rumors and conspiracy theories. But in this case the conspiracy will be real. This could end up with rioting like when Martin Luther King died.
So when it’s over, how does she explain she won? She will win, don’t you know?
So when it’s over, how does she explain she won? She will win, don’t you know?
The Clintons are bad losers. Very, very bad losers. I’m no fan of Obama, but I sure hope he keeps his eyes and ears open from now on.
Just remember these two phrases....
Ft Marcy Park
Lead Snowstorm
I think a lot of that sentiment is driven by residual Clinton hatred hanging around from the 90s. Looking at it pragmatically, he's an even bigger socialist than she is, and as I said, a dangerous matchup for our guy. Obama is getting phenomenal voter turnout in these primaries. The one thing she could be counted on to do better than Obama in a campaign is dirty tricks.
Well not pretty for the Democrats and their media syncophants.
The only thing Hillary is losing is the ability to look like she won the nomination fairly. Now she’s going to have to twist arms in a way that can’t completely be hidden, and resentments will ensue.
“I don’t know how, but she will pull something out of her caboose”
That’s what many freepers continue to say, but, consider: would not she have done something by now re: her bag of tricks? I think it’s just not her time; this ship has sailed, etc.
I see it your way too. Hillary is far more beatable than Obama. I live in Massachusetts and I just a saw a black man, who was a Massachusetts unknown and a former Clintonite apointee no less, get elected governor. No name recognition, no experience, no special qualificiations, (he was a Clinton justice department worker), but all over the state, in every white middle class neighborhood, even in wealthy neighborhoods which you knew were conservative, one could see the lawn signs with Deval Patrick's slogan, "Together We Can". Nobody knew what it meant. Nobody knows what it means even today. But they all went to the voting booth, heavily laden with white guilt, and unburdoned themselves on the altar of Deval Patrick's skin color. For the same illogical, baffling reasons, if Hussein Obama is nominated he will be the POTUS.
Obama can and will pick up crossovers. Hillary can’t.
Anecdotally, i flipped my wife and daughter from Al Gore to Pres. Bush.
they voted for Pres. Bush the 2nd time on their own.
Neither will vote for Hillary but both will vote for Obama
IMHO, I’d rather see Hillary than Obama. Obama would never stick up for Isreal and that’s crucial for our own survival as a nation. He and his church pastor are anti-semetic. He is also to the left of almost everyone in Congress. Nope, he’s not going to make a good president if he makes it.
She’s “not in a bad place?” ROTFLMAO Oh Lord
No, I don’t think so. Hillary is truly finished. If she tries something illegal or sues to get delegates she shouldn’t have, she will anger the Obama cult to the point they will turn out in droves to defeat her. She’s toast an she did it to herself.
I still am always amazed that anyone wants Bill to campaign for them...............
I almost feel sorry for Obama. He has pushed the Beast up against a wall and whatever REALLY awful stuff they have on him they will unleash.
There are absolutely NO limits on what she will do to have this. Will she push for Florida to be included? You bet. Voter fraud and dirty tricks are what the demonRATs do best, and SHE is a master at it. Might there be a riot at the convention? What does SHE care? It’s ALL about her.
You can’t say this isn’t gonna be interestin’!
As a talk show said...Hillary is "the Tonya Harding of Politics"!
Didn’t Fred announce his candidacy on the david letterman show? Hmmmm, I don’t put much stock in Hollywood, especially the Hollywood left. What a bad move. An unserious move.
What a HORRIBLE mental image.
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