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In Canada, the Schiavo case with an outrageous twist
Jewish World Review ^ | 2/12/08 | Jonathan Rosenblum

Posted on 02/14/2008 5:27:08 AM PST by wagglebee

A Winnipeg case currently winding its way to its grim conclusion pits the children of Samuel Golubchuk against doctors at the Salvation Army Grace General Hospital. According to the pleadings, Golubchuk's doctors informed his children that their 84-year-old father is "in the process of dying" and that they intended to hasten the process by removing his ventilation, and if that proved insufficient to kill him quickly, to also remove his feeding tube. In the event that the patient showed discomfort during these procedures, the chief of the hospital's ICU unit stated in his affidavit that he would administer morphine.

Golubchuk is an Orthodox Jew, as are his children. The latter have adamantly opposed his removal from the ventilator and feeding tube, on the grounds that Jewish law expressly forbids any action designed to shorten life, and that if their father could express his wishes, he would oppose the doctors acting to deliberately terminate his life.

In response, the director of the ICU informed Golubchuk's children that neither their father's wishes nor their own are relevant, and he would do whatever he decided was appropriate. Bill Olson, counsel for the ICU director, told the Canadian Broadcasting Company that physicians have the sole right to make decisions about treatment — even if it goes against a patient's religious beliefs — and that "there is no right to a continuation of treatment."

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TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bioethics; dutytodie; euthanasia; futilecare; judaism; moralabsolutes; nationalhealthcare; prolife; socializedmedicine; universalhealthcare; utilitarianism
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There is even talk of the "duty to die" and clear the way for higher-quality lives, which is why the American Association of People with Disabilities has been actively involved in so many cases dealing with the doctors' right to terminate medical care. The rage for medical rationing in Canada, of which the Golubchuk case is but one example, derives from a desire not to waste resources on low-quality lives.

As of yesterday, Mr. Golubchuk has been given a stay of execution.

1 posted on 02/14/2008 5:27:12 AM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 02/14/2008 5:27:49 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 02/14/2008 5:28:06 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 02/14/2008 5:28:27 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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5 posted on 02/14/2008 5:28:50 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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6 posted on 02/14/2008 5:30:05 AM PST by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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7 posted on 02/14/2008 5:30:20 AM PST by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: wagglebee

when the government agrees to pay for something that you need or want, sooner or later the government will control that commodity - whether you like it or not - on cost grounds.


8 posted on 02/14/2008 5:31:36 AM PST by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: wagglebee
Very interesting story.

One very important difference between this case and the Schiavo case is that patients in Canada are basically wards of the state for all intents and purposes. Under that scenario, the hospital has no obligation to consider the wishes of the patient's family because the patient and/or his family are not paying for the medical care in question.

This is the inherent flaw of any government-run health care system. Quite frankly, the time to address this issue was long before Mr. Golubchuk entered the hospital in the first place.

9 posted on 02/14/2008 5:34:40 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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10 posted on 02/14/2008 5:38:31 AM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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Say Doc, I didn’t know the letters G-O-D followed after your name and MD...........


11 posted on 02/14/2008 5:44:01 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: wagglebee

Paging Dr. Josef Mengele, Dr. Mengele you are needed in ICU stat.


12 posted on 02/14/2008 5:45:24 AM PST by NY.SS-Bar9 (DR #1692)
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It's good to have backup plans:

Plan A -- remove ventilation
Plan B -- remove feeding tube
Plan C -- use morphine

Question: Does Plan D involve a gun?

13 posted on 02/14/2008 5:47:24 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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Silly. Don’t they know that in a Socialist state the only religion is the State?

I was not going to be surprised if the ‘outrageous’ twist to this story was that the man was conscious and pleading with his doctors and nurses, “Please don’t unplug that machine, I haven’t finished reading this novel yet!”

“Sorry, sir. But the health board has decided that we can’t afford to keep you alive any longer. You’re not paying into the system at this point.”

14 posted on 02/14/2008 5:53:26 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
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To: wagglebee
‘Neither their father’s wishes nor theirs are relevant’ Welcome to Socialized medicine. You have no control. You will be denied procedures due to cost effectiveness just like the HMOs do today. The American public needs to WAKE UP!
15 posted on 02/14/2008 5:55:44 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: wagglebee
The rage for medical rationing in Canada, of which the Golubchuk case is but one example, derives from a desire not to waste resources on low-quality lives.

It's not a slippery slope we're on - it's a toboggan run.

My husband's eldest brother is a Canadian professor of ethics (yep, gave up the US citizenship). He went to the Netherlands a few years back to study euthanasia and end of life issues, and is on some health policy committes up there.

And funny, though my in laws believe the sun shines out of his Canadian posterior, as they are getting up there in years, it is my black-sheep husband who holds the keys to their Power of Attorney and Living Will, not the golden boy of the North.

16 posted on 02/14/2008 5:59:15 AM PST by Mygirlsmom (Clowns to the left of me, fakers to the right-here I am-what's a Right Winger to do?)
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To: wagglebee

What a disgusting turn. These cruel heartless monsters will have no idea what hit them when the day of retribution comes.


17 posted on 02/14/2008 5:59:25 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

When you are old, you are going to die anyways. Does it make a difference when? Modern medical thought??


18 posted on 02/14/2008 6:19:08 AM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (Swift as the wind; Calmly majestic as a forest; Steady as the mountains.)
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Years ago, there was an excellent TV show called “The Prisoner”, starring Patrick McGoohan.

One line that McGoohan’s character, a secret agent who wants out, has stuck with me and pretty much sums up my Conservatism: “I am not a number, I am a free man”.


19 posted on 02/14/2008 6:24:25 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1 - Take no prisoners))
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To: ClearCase_guy
Question: Does Plan D involve a gun?

In terms of hast and canadian dollars it should be:

Plan A - having a nurse remove ventilation costs nothing and should bring about the good doctor's wishes quickly without him getting his hands dirty

Plan B - gun shot to the head should be instantaneous and cost for the bullet is minimal besides housekeeping is already being paid to clean up messes

Plan C - morphine is quick, but the doctor would have to perform this himself unless he can shift any residual guilt to a nurse

Plan D - removing the feeding tube would merely leave the unwanted waste of flesh taking up a bed space for a week

/s

20 posted on 02/14/2008 6:27:17 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (The fence is "absolutely not the answer" - Gov. Rick Perry (R, TX))
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