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Conservatives: Sitting Out 2008 Is the Height of Idiocy by Ben Shapiro
Family Security Matters ^ | 14 February 2008 | Ben Shapiro

Posted on 02/14/2008 7:43:09 AM PST by K-oneTexas

Published: February 14, 2008

Conservatives: Sitting Out 2008 Is the Height of Idiocy

Ben Shapiro

 

The conservative base isn't fond of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. They disagree with him on a wide variety of issues, and they feel insulted by McCain's ardent desire to please those across the political aisle.

           

But conservatives are fools if they stay home in November.

           

There's plenty to question about John McCain, but there's one thing conservatives can't question: McCain is better than Hillary Clinton. He's better than Barack Obama. And it's not close.

           

McCain is a hard-line proponent of victory in Iraq. He has pledged to lower taxes. He has always fought governmental corruption, even if that has led him to absurd extremes like campaign finance reform. He is a strong pro-life voter. He says he will veto any bill that has any earmarks. In 2006, McCain received a 65% rating from the American Conservative Union, which measures whether members of Congress are in line with conservatives on major issues. In 2005, his score was 80%.

           

Here are Hillary Clinton's scores in those same two years: 8% and 12%. Obama scored 8% both years.

           

It's simply unthinkable to equate McCain's record with either Clinton's or Obama's. McCain is a left-leaning Republican, which means he ranks in the upper half of the Senate in terms of political conservatism. National Journal, by contrast, ranked Clinton the 16th most liberal senator in the Senate in 2007. Obama was No. 1.

           

Despite the vast difference between McCain and his Democratic opponents, many conservatives are threatening to boycott the 2008 election. They argue that the Republican Party has abandoned conservatism, and that in order to reclaim the Party, the GOP may have to go through the purifying ritual of cataclysmic electoral defeat.

           

This is historically ignorant. Intraparty squabbles are constant with regard to choosing presidential candidates. Parties do not move toward a particular ideological group because of electoral defeat – they move toward a particular ideological group because that group is most motivated to back a single candidate. Ronald Reagan was a rising force in the Republican Party before Gerald Ford lost to Jimmy Carter -- he almost wrested the nomination from Ford in 1976. The Democratic Party's recent move to the left has not been a reaction to their electoral defeats in 2000 and 2004 – after all, Al Gore and John Kerry were certainly quite liberal. The problem with the conservative movement in 2008 wasn't the movement -- it was the lack of a candidate. And sending the GOP to ringing defeat in 2008 won't push the Party back to the right unless there's a candidate to rally around.

           

If conservatives think they can rally around a challenger in 2012 and oust an incumbent Democrat, they should think again. Conceding the White House in 2008 could easily mean an eight-year term for either Hillary or Obama – and such an eight-year term would wreak havoc on a country already overburdened by taxes and under assault from Islamic terrorism.

           

The proposed conservative boycott of the GOP in 2008 also demonstrates a massive misunderstanding of the GOP's role. The GOP isn't constructed to nominate conservative candidates. It is constructed to win. It's the conservative base's responsibility to nominate conservative candidates. In 2008, the conservative base failed. That isn't the GOP's fault. Punishing the GOP fruitlessly punishes an organization that isn't to blame.

           

Conservatives must recognize that the choice in 2008 is between John McCain and Clinton or Obama. It isn't about McCain vs. Romney or McCain vs. Huckabee anymore. And if McCain wins, that doesn't preclude conservatives from rallying around a more conservative candidate next time. Dooming the country to at least four years of Democratic incompetence and appeasement won't solve conservatives' problem.


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FamilySecurityMatters.org contributing editor Ben Shapiro is a graduate of UCLA and Harvard Law School. He is also the author of the recently published "Porn Generation: How Social Liberalism Is Corrupting Our Future" as well as the national best seller "Brainwashed: How Universities Indoctrinate America's Youth." He practices law in Los Angeles.


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"Parties do not move toward a particular ideological group because of electoral defeat – they move toward a particular ideological group because that group is most motivated to back a single candidate."
1 posted on 02/14/2008 7:43:13 AM PST by K-oneTexas
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To: K-oneTexas

I’m getting that old Bob Dole feeling again.


2 posted on 02/14/2008 7:45:24 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: K-oneTexas

Why ? Conservatives have already lost the election with the nomination of Juan McCain. What good is a symbolic victory for a Republican label ?


3 posted on 02/14/2008 7:45:42 AM PST by libh8er
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To: K-oneTexas

I am not going to give my vote out of fear of Hillary or Obama. If the GOP wants my vote, they had better start an “outreach” to conservatives like myself, just as they have an “outreach program” for hispanics. (Juan Hernandez).

This man is NOT afraid to leave the plantation.


4 posted on 02/14/2008 7:47:08 AM PST by tennmountainman
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To: K-oneTexas

I tend to agree. I do not buy an inevitable democrat landslide. Nor will I accept such a notion out of hand.

The fact is, we as conservatives are not getting what we hoped for or wanted in a candidate in this election. Most of that fault lies with us and with those we elected to go and do our business. Us for not holding their feet to the fire, and then not getting behind any single candidate for President to help do something about it (as in lead), and many of the GOP candidates elected earlier who got to DC and then made “nice” with the opposition and did not do the work we sent them there to do.

Be that as it may, things are what they are right now and we are left to make the most of it.

I do not believe or buy into any notion of capitulation or thowing my toys down and “going home” as a plan or policy for addressing it. Even with the candidate we have, there is simply too much at stake.

In particular, we can still hold ground in all of the following areas:

1) Abortion. McCain has a good record on supporting the life of any fetus in the womb. We owe it to those millions of innocenets to not throw in the towel here and add those lives to the other areas we will lose ground in.

2) The Supreme Court. McCain is much more likely to appoint judges onto the court who will make decisions based on the original intent of the founders than anything Hillary or Obama will appoint. In the abortion area this is critical because we are on the verge of being able to have the SCOTUS overturn Roe v Wade. This has taken 35 years to occur. I am not willing to sacrifice those 35 years and have to wait another 35 to get back where we are today.

3) The War against Islamic Jihad. McCane will stay on the offensive in this war. He may not do it exactly according to our liking (neither did Bush), but he will take the fight tenatiously to the enemy...something we definitely will not get from Obama or Hillary. Hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of American lives could depend on this. And the spirit and honor of those who have already sacrificed their lives in this regard compell us.

4) Tax cuts. I believe McCain will keep his pledge to make the Bush tax cuts permanent. He has stated that directly (as opposed to the continued wishy washy language IMHO and action on border issues). This will be critical for us economically and we know exactly that Obama or Hillary will do the opposite.

So, despite the areas where we will lose ground with McCain (and immigration, the border, and global climate are chief amongst those), there are other equally critical areas IMHO where we can still hold high ground. And from that high ground I believe we can mount a counter offensive on the other issues (particularly immigration and global climate) where we differ with McCain. We have shown we can do that already and must continue to fight him directly, remaining in his and the liberals face, while holding the other critical ground.

I am unwilling to cede ALL the ground. Capitulating, staying home, or voting for one of the other cretans will do that and it is something I simply cannot subscribne to.


5 posted on 02/14/2008 7:47:13 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: K-oneTexas

I have no plan to sit out 2008. I will vote for the most conservative candidate on the ballot.


6 posted on 02/14/2008 7:47:32 AM PST by Notary Sojac
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To: K-oneTexas

RNC’s fault, they masterminded this train wreck.


7 posted on 02/14/2008 7:48:24 AM PST by RockyMtnMan
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I didn't have a problem with Bob Dole.

I'm not going to vote for a candidate just because some guy tells me I'm stupid if I don't. Hello? What's idiotic is that argument. Conservatives will have no chance at all unless they first stop calling each other stupid.

8 posted on 02/14/2008 7:49:29 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: K-oneTexas

I’ll vote for McMain when they modify the ballot, and the counting and reporting of them, to include the phrase...”IN PROTEST”.


9 posted on 02/14/2008 7:49:31 AM PST by papasmurf (Calm down! I've got Greenspan's book, you jerk!)
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To: K-oneTexas

Yeah, vicious name calling is gonna bring all the wayward sheep back into the fold. Sure, that’s the ticket.

Do moderates and liberals in the Republican Party have any tools other than this? If not, then how are they much different from Dimocrats?


10 posted on 02/14/2008 7:50:04 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: libh8er
I disagree. We may have lost a battle but we can not leave/run (what ever you want to call it, and expect to win the war.

What I am hearing is we're doomed! Let them go down alone.

 

 

 

11 posted on 02/14/2008 7:50:27 AM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: K-oneTexas

Or maybe we move toward a particular group (or political party) because of principles. Something McCain seems to lack.


12 posted on 02/14/2008 7:52:08 AM PST by MizSterious (If it's Hillary v. McCain, I refuse to vote for EITHER liberal !)
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To: K-oneTexas
He has always fought governmental corruption, even if that has led him to absurd extremes like campaign finance reform.

Umm, can you say Keating Five? Sure you can....

John McCain has more direct, personal, experience and involvement with corruption in politics than most.

Campaign finance reform was not about cleaning up corruption. It was about ensuring that the spoils of corruption only went to club members. And shredding First Amendment rights was not too great a price to pay for keeping the corrupted funding coming.

13 posted on 02/14/2008 7:52:21 AM PST by Natty Bumppo@frontier.net (The facts of life are conservative -- Margaret Thatcher)
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To: K-oneTexas

Conservatives have bent over backwards for the GOP for far too long. We are not going to bend over forwards. McCain prides himself on getting the non conservative vote. Screw him.


14 posted on 02/14/2008 7:52:28 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: tennmountainman

Well the Republicans in Congress certainly earned our support with yesterday’s performance./sarc


15 posted on 02/14/2008 7:52:29 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Jeff Head

Do you know where Leavenworth, KS is located on a US map? McCain’s plan to bring the GITMO terrorists to Leavenworth, KS while having an OPEN BORDERS policy is not what I call national security minded. I do NOT want this fight in my back yard.


16 posted on 02/14/2008 7:52:45 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: K-oneTexas
Hot Dog, I'm convinced. I don't want to be a fool or an idiot. So, if I vote for McCain, and sellout my beliefs, I'm not stupid. The namecalling will stop??? Let me sign up right now because, gosh darn it, it really hurts my feelings when people call me stupid, and I don't want to be called stupid anymore..../s

Seriously, now that I've "calmed down" I won't be staying home, but let me repeat, I WILL NOT VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAIN. I will not vote for him in a box, I will not vote for him with a fox, I will not vote for him here or there, I will not vote for him ANYWHERE.
17 posted on 02/14/2008 7:52:55 AM PST by IMissPresidentReagan ("Don't give up your ideals, don't compromise, don't turn to expediency..."Ronald Reagan, 1976)
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To: Jeff Head
I will never vote for John McCain.

I will vote for Conservative candidates down the ballot, but I will not reward McCain for his 20 years of treachery.

Never.

L

18 posted on 02/14/2008 7:54:32 AM PST by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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To: K-oneTexas
A little ironic that a site who supports family security matters would support a candidate that claims we are torturing terrorist and wants to close the facility used to do so and bring them to U.S. soil.
19 posted on 02/14/2008 7:56:22 AM PST by McGruff (Pardon me if I resist being assimilated.)
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To: K-oneTexas
The "sitting out" canard being harped is getting tiresome. Just because most conservatives refuse to vote for a liberal doesn't mean they are sitting out the election.

Sitting Out does not equal not voting for McCain

20 posted on 02/14/2008 7:56:40 AM PST by TADSLOS (Be a 3.6 percenter- Write in Duncan Hunter for POTUS!)
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To: tennmountainman

I understand how you feel.

Its past time for another political party.

But allowing Hillary or Obama in would be a betrayal of all the brave fighting men and women in our armed services and all the deaths, sufferings and grief they and their families have undergone in Iraq. All of that will have gone to naught if Hillary or Obama winds up in Washington.

THEY deserve more from US - even if John McCain does not. At least he will not pull out until that area is secure and in that I believe him, if nothing else.

And THAT is the “bottom line” in 2008.


21 posted on 02/14/2008 7:57:06 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: K-oneTexas

If Obama is the nominee there is no way in hell I am sitting out this election. The dude scares me.


22 posted on 02/14/2008 7:57:16 AM PST by crazydad
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To: K-oneTexas

Dear Ben,

It’s called “mavericking”.

Conservatives have learned from the best!


23 posted on 02/14/2008 7:58:06 AM PST by roses of sharon (Who will be McCain's maverick?)
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To: ARE SOLE
Conservatives have bent over backwards for the GOP for far too long. We are not going to bend over forwards. McCain prides himself on getting the non conservative vote. Screw him.

Too bad you'll also be screwing our military and America's security.

You must be so proud.

24 posted on 02/14/2008 7:58:17 AM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: K-oneTexas

Many are prepared to cut off their nose to spite their face. Can McCain be any worse than Jorge Bush? Yet, you criticize “Dubya” here and you’re called a Dim mole or worse.


25 posted on 02/14/2008 7:58:19 AM PST by jaime1959
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To: K-oneTexas

I will never “stay home” on election day.

I also will never vote for John McCain.


26 posted on 02/14/2008 7:58:27 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Bob got my vote. There was very little choice at the time.


27 posted on 02/14/2008 7:58:47 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: Notary Sojac
---that's what I always do, no matter what--

--"Going over a cliff with all flags flying is still going over a cliff"--Ronald Reagan--

28 posted on 02/14/2008 7:59:36 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: K-oneTexas

Don’t need some 24 year old punk giving me advice.


29 posted on 02/14/2008 7:59:54 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: TADSLOS

My feeling is that conservatives need to be e-mailin, calling, sending snail mail, faxes, etc to the McCain headquarters to send John a strong message: Remember your base - give us something like a strong conservative VP that will reach out to us and quit slapping us in the face!


30 posted on 02/14/2008 8:00:03 AM PST by princess leah
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To: Right_in_Virginia
Too bad you'll also be screwing our military and America's security.

You must be so proud.

An insult in every post. Sorry it offends you that I have a different opinion than you.

31 posted on 02/14/2008 8:00:54 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: jaime1959
"Many are prepared to cut off their nose to spite their face."

Don't you mean nose in spite of their nose, given our choice?

"Can McCain be any worse than Jorge Bush? Yet, you criticize “Dubya” here and you’re called a Dim mole or worse."

BWAHAAAAAAA!!!

C'mon, now.
What's the truth have do with anything.

...anymore. :o)

32 posted on 02/14/2008 8:01:10 AM PST by Landru (~& when the band you're in starts playing *different * tunes...)
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To: jaime1959
Can McCain be any worse than Jorge Bush?

YES

33 posted on 02/14/2008 8:01:11 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: K-oneTexas

“the GOP may have to go through the purifying ritual of cataclysmic electoral defeat.”

If Obama secures the nomination (looking more and more inevitable) I don’t see how McCain can possibly win, regardless of what conservatives do. The “cataclysmic electoral defeat” is almost a certainty, the subsequent “purifying ritual” - we’ll see if that can happen.


34 posted on 02/14/2008 8:01:33 AM PST by eclecticEel (oh well, Hunter 2012 anyone?)
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To: K-oneTexas

I agree with the story. Totally


35 posted on 02/14/2008 8:02:21 AM PST by NYC Republican (Root for Hillary. She's beatable in the GE, Obama's not.)
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To: K-oneTexas

“But conservatives are fools if they stay home in November.”

“Matthew 5: 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.”

These McCain supporters/`sweet-talkers’ are really smooth operators: “Fools! Grow up! Calm down!”.


36 posted on 02/14/2008 8:03:09 AM PST by tumblindice
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To: jaime1959
Can McCain be any worse than Jorge Bush?

J59'

No, but he being an extension of him on issues such as the boarder and McCain Feingold is enough for me.

We are tired of the RNC/GOP taking us for granted and us having to revolt to bring them in line, but they will do it again to us if he gets elected. I don't believe hi on the boarders, and if I can't believe him on that, I can't trust him on anything else.

37 posted on 02/14/2008 8:03:55 AM PST by taildragger (The Answer is Fred Thompson, I do not care what the question is.....)
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To: Jeff Head; Notary Sojac; K-oneTexas

Terrorist rights. We cant interogate them and he wants to bring them to US and give them ACLU trials. And first amendment rights, how can he pick conservative judges to overturn McC-Finegold??

This is the first time in history (except BoB Dole) that liberal MSM is directing us to march to the republican party tune, only because they picked McCain. But if Obama gets it McCains’ liberal buddies will eat him alive, and we will be Maverics like him and wave at him going down.


38 posted on 02/14/2008 8:04:20 AM PST by sickoflibs (Are libs really as dumb as they act??(maybe they just assume we are that dumb))
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To: K-oneTexas

Anybody else getting the sense that a lot of people in the GOP are starting to get afraid that they may have taken their conservative base too much for granted? That they may have just gone a step too far with McCain?

And now here they are throwing threats about how we better support McCain or else.


39 posted on 02/14/2008 8:04:27 AM PST by Dreagon
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To: K-oneTexas

“He’s better than Barack Obama. And it’s not close.”

Right On!

I’m a Fredhead still sulking a little over him dropping out and my 2nd choice did not fare much better, so now that we are down to just McCain, I have to ask myself, who would rather turn the military over to, McCain, Clinton, or Obama?

Two of the above names would destroy the military as an effective fighting force by the sheer number of trained soldiers who would get out as soon as they could. They will be replaced by young people just looking for a job in the poor economy that certainly will come with a quasi-socialist government. Having served in the Navy under Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan I have seen this first hand, the difference in moral. Under Jimmy Carter, FTN was very popular graffiti found on the bulkheads of my ship, the stalls in the heads, and at the top of letters the sailors sent home. I’m not going to spell it out but you know what FTN stands for. When Reagan took over this attitude changed and we had pride once again, and re-enlistments went way up, and that foul graffiti disappeared.

If McCain is our nominee, as much as I dislike him I will hold my nose and vote for him for the sake of the military alone.


40 posted on 02/14/2008 8:04:30 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: K-oneTexas

Hey Ben you SOB. When the Republican party screws conservatives over. Guess what???? You are not getting our vote. Rest assure I along with many conservatives I know are sitting this election out. I am done with the Republican party.


41 posted on 02/14/2008 8:05:05 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: Notary Sojac

Thank you for making the election about what's best for the country instead of being about how cool and "principled" you can be by helping put Obama in charge.

42 posted on 02/14/2008 8:05:07 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: All

The thing is everyone that lets the Dems win because they don’t like McCain (I don’t either) know what they are in for. Kinda stupid to let that happen isn’t it? I’m going to hang up my ego and vote for him, he’s the best man for the job, given our alternatives.


43 posted on 02/14/2008 8:05:51 AM PST by MSRiverdog (The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist!)
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To: K-oneTexas

I swear some people are dumber than dirt. Do they really think that continually insulting people is going to get them to come around to their side.


44 posted on 02/14/2008 8:06:28 AM PST by beandog (Quit serving me mud and telling me it's chocolate pie.)
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To: Dreagon
It’s really telling that McCnutts could make his way forward easier if he’d promise unconditionally that there would be no amnesty, yet he won’t do it.

He is one loyal guy, solid and unyielding, a rock, a man you can count on if you are illegal or want to employ illegals.

45 posted on 02/14/2008 8:07:01 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: K-oneTexas

One more graduate of the John McCain school of how to win friends and infulence people through insults and intimidation.


46 posted on 02/14/2008 8:07:11 AM PST by cripplecreek (Just call me M.O.M. (Maverick opposed to McCain.))
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To: K-oneTexas

The fools are the people running the Republican party who think no matter the candidate we can be conned into voting for him just because he is represented by the Republican party. I don’t vote party over country and I refuse to vote for someone who stomps on the Constitution and our freedoms, arms Muslim terrorists, uses the US military to aid illegal alien Muslim terrorists to try to take over another country, supports banning various firearms, etc.


47 posted on 02/14/2008 8:07:27 AM PST by CodeToad
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To: Hegewisch Dupa
Sometimes you have to destroy it in order to rebuild it. The Republicans have sold out the conservatives. I cannot support a turn coat liberal like John McNut.
48 posted on 02/14/2008 8:07:45 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: ARE SOLE
An insult in every post. Sorry it offends you that I have a different opinion than you.

You're not the least bit sorry.

And by allowing your political disappointments to deliberately place our fighting men and women in the hands of Clinton/Obama is an insult to THEM.

Shame on you.

49 posted on 02/14/2008 8:07:58 AM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

McBane came right out earlier and said he didn’t need our vote......

I’m honoring that request. I will write in the name of one of my POW/MIA Brothers in the PUTUS slot, other wise, I will only vote for THE most Conservative candidates on the ballot, any moderate RINO’s get a blank beside their name.

It’s time to suffer a little temporary pain and clean house once and for all, or else simply sweep this mess under the rug AGAIN and have to deal with an impossible, mouldy garbage heap much later on. Not to mention having to rebuild Conservative credibility from scratch, all over again.


50 posted on 02/14/2008 8:08:09 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP
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