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The Truth About the Swift Boat Vets and Kerry's Deceit
Human Events ^ | February 14, 2008 | Cheryl K. Chumley

Posted on 02/14/2008 12:25:11 PM PST by Interesting Times

"I'm John Kerry, and I'm reporting for duty."

Who can forget this now-infamous July 29, 2004, Democratic National Convention acceptance speech when the party's nominee publicly set his course for the next few months?

"At the heart of the 2004 presidential campaign was a long-deferred national debate over whether American troops had systematically committed war crimes in Vietnam, as John Kerry and other activists had insisted, and as Hollywood, the media and much of the American public had long assumed," begins Chapter One of To Set the Record Straight: How Swift Boat Veterans, POWs and the New Media Defeated John Kerry.

Settling Scores

At root, co-authors Scott Swett and Tim Ziegler provide readers a remarkable and painstakingly notated historical account of the cultural war that coursed beneath the 2004 presidential election — a cultural war that pitted mainstream media against truth, and brought to the forefront of political influence the likes of Internet bloggers, talk-radio hosts and a handful of humble but righteously indignant veterans who simply refused to cave in on their cause. But on the way toward documenting that point, the book offers much more.

(Excerpt) Read more at humanevents.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004election; cherylchumley; johnkerry; madamebinh; swiftboatveterans
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A nice Valentine's present from the good folks at Human Events...
1 posted on 02/14/2008 12:25:14 PM PST by Interesting Times
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To: Howlin; eddie willers; cajungirl; wirestripper; Southflanknorthpawsis; Peach; prairiebreeze; ...

Swift Vets ping...


2 posted on 02/14/2008 12:25:56 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times
General Kerry, sign the damn 1080........
3 posted on 02/14/2008 12:29:36 PM PST by geo40xyz (McCain, Obama or Hillarybeast and 4 Supreme Court Justices... The winner is?)
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To: Interesting Times

Cool article!


4 posted on 02/14/2008 12:33:15 PM PST by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one is striking at it's root.")
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To: Interesting Times

best time and money I ever spent!


5 posted on 02/14/2008 12:36:23 PM PST by RDTF (kill the terrorists, punch the hippies)
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To: Interesting Times

I think Pickens should leave that $million in a long term investment. ;-)

Doesn’t look like he’ll be having to cash out any time in this century.


6 posted on 02/14/2008 12:36:49 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Interesting Times

I have no reason to doubt the charges made by the SwiftBoatVets. The single greatest factor for me against John Kerry as far as character was his Senate testimony in (I think it was) ‘71. He made charges without naming any individual and made it impossible for any Vietnam vet to defend himself and smeared all Vietnam vets. That alone was such a singularly dishonorable and dishonest act that he merits no consideration as a man to be taken seriously. Not to even mention his sworn obligation as a Naval officer to have made proper reports to Naval authorities had been violated.


7 posted on 02/14/2008 12:37:07 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: Interesting Times

And let’s not forget that McCain sprang to Kerry’s defense and, in his role as “war hero,” attacked the Swift Boat Vets viciously, and called them liars.

McCain played an important role in assuring that the media could write them off as liars.


8 posted on 02/14/2008 12:40:43 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Interesting Times
I'll work for food. (The ONLY thing I need to know about Comrad Kerry...


9 posted on 02/14/2008 12:41:39 PM PST by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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To: Interesting Times

John Kerry defeated John Kerry long before the 2004 Presidential race.


10 posted on 02/14/2008 12:44:35 PM PST by Lions Gate
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To: Bob J
Cool article!

I rather liked it myself. :)

11 posted on 02/14/2008 12:50:21 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Emmett McCarthy

What you wrote is very true. I’m a Viet Vet and Kerry not only cast all of us in the same boat, he disgraced his uniform and our service. I lost many friends there, and my heart was broken by his false testimony. I knew better, as he knew too, yet he lied to the Senate and tried to lie to all of us. To hell with him and may his teeth hurt every day of his life. He ain’t nothing but scum!


12 posted on 02/14/2008 12:51:30 PM PST by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: calcowgirl
I think Pickens should leave that $million in a long term investment. ;-)

Doesn’t look like he’ll be having to cash out any time in this century.

I'm sure that Senator Kerry will soon provide devastating evidence to support his version(s) of events. Just as soon as he finishes rearranging his sock drawer.

Kerry sure got quiet after Pickens requested some actual documentation, didn't he?

13 posted on 02/14/2008 12:53:42 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times; Howlin; backhoe

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NEVER FORGET

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The Lies of TET

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60610

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NEVER FORGET

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14 posted on 02/14/2008 12:55:47 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Cicero
And let’s not forget that McCain sprang to Kerry’s defense and, in his role as "war hero," attacked the Swift Boat Vets viciously, and called them liars.

McCain played an important role in assuring that the media could write them off as liars.

Yep. And the leftists continue to quote him to this day.

15 posted on 02/14/2008 12:55:59 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: geo40xyz
General Kerry, sign the damn 1080........

I don't think he CAN do that as doing so would completely destroy what's left of him.

16 posted on 02/14/2008 12:58:54 PM PST by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: Interesting Times

bttt


17 posted on 02/14/2008 12:59:13 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("How [Obama] stumbled onto Walter Mondale's political philosophy is beyond me." —Tony Blankley)
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To: Interesting Times

BTTT


18 posted on 02/14/2008 1:04:44 PM PST by E.G.C.
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
NEVER FORGET

You can bet that I will NEVER forget and there are many others, both here and abroad, that won't forget either!

“What we still don’t understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi. You had us on the ropes. If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to surrender! It was the same at the battles of TET. You defeated us! We knew it, and we thought you knew it. But we were elated to notice your media w as definitely helping us. They were causing more disruption in America than we could in the battlefields. We were ready to surrender. You had won!”

General Vo Nguyen Giap in his memoirs

19 posted on 02/14/2008 1:04:56 PM PST by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: Emmett McCarthy
Ask yourself this. If a Conservative made unsupported, damaging and widely public accusations like that about ANYBODY or ANYTHING... how long would it take for the MSM to bird-dog all the details until it could be proved otherwise????
20 posted on 02/14/2008 1:05:55 PM PST by SMARTY ('At some point you get tired of swatting flies, and you have to go for the manure heap' Gen. LeMay)
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To: geezerwheezer

Yhank you for your service to our country. I am not a vet and my trips into Qui Nhon and Da Nang back in ‘69 were just to make deliveries while working as a Merchant seaman. My Dad and other family members are Vietnam vets, however, and officers, so I am well aware of Kerry’s violations of his own oath as an officer.


21 posted on 02/14/2008 1:06:50 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: Emmett McCarthy
The single greatest factor for me against John Kerry as far as character was his Senate testimony in (I think it was) ‘71.

I agree, Kerry's testimony is what hung the babykiller tag around the necks of those of us who served later in the 70's.

I'm not a Vietnam vet and don't know what was up with young Mr. Kerry, but I sure as heck took notice that 100 of his old shipmates and fellow officers publicly called him out about it - I've never seen the likes of it, in any of the services.

22 posted on 02/14/2008 1:09:30 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Bob J; Interesting Times
In the end, it was the voices of the smeared that prevailed: Political, media and Hollywood free-for-all attacks against the military now spark “widespread resentment and active opposition,” Swett and Ziegler found, as “trashing the troops [is] no longer the ticket to fame and success it had been in that long-ago spring of 1971.”

Great finishing paragraph. (Of course it quotes the book!)

Regards,

TS

23 posted on 02/14/2008 1:10:49 PM PST by The Shrew (www.ToSetTheRecordStraight.com/www.swiftvets.com/www.wintersoldier.com-The Truth Shall Set YOU Free!)
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To: colorado tanker
There is a Rolling Thunder Chapter in our area. They are supporters of Kerry till this day. I noticed on this month’s newsletter they are dogging McCain. Gee What’s the difference!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I find it hard to believe these tough guys are going to vote for Obama or Hillary.
24 posted on 02/14/2008 1:16:21 PM PST by angcat (NY Yankees Spring is in the air!)
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To: Lions Gate
John Kerry defeated John Kerry long before the 2004 Presidential race.

If that was true, he would hardly have led President Bush throughout early 2004, only to see his poll numbers fall off a cliff in August, after the Swift Vets' TV ads, book and web site were released.

25 posted on 02/14/2008 1:17:08 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times

And Hanoi John keeps getting reelected.


26 posted on 02/14/2008 1:24:50 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: angcat
There are some Vietnam vets who are die-hard Democrats. I guess they’re just in denial about what the Dems did to them in the 70’s.
27 posted on 02/14/2008 1:26:31 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Interesting Times

T. Boone Pickens has a MILLION DOLLAR BET on the table to Kerry to just prove one CHARGE THAT THE SWIFT BOATERS said is UNTRUE...just ONE!!!


28 posted on 02/14/2008 1:27:52 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Interesting Times

Another good one.


29 posted on 02/14/2008 1:30:55 PM PST by BubbaBasher (WWW.TWFRED08.COM)
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To: R. Scott
And Hanoi John keeps getting reelected.

Kerry has some interesting opposition this year on the Republican side. Jeff Beatty is a Delta Force veteran with expertise in counter-terrorism and intelligence. I talked with him for a bit at CPAC, and he showed me a Gallup poll taken late last year that has him well within striking range of Kerry - just 3 or 4 points back.

Beatty is an impressive guy. You can find his Senate campaign website here.

30 posted on 02/14/2008 1:32:19 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Ann Archy
T. Boone Pickens has a MILLION DOLLAR BET on the table to Kerry to just prove one CHARGE THAT THE SWIFT BOATERS said is UNTRUE...just ONE!!!

You know, I could really use a million bucks...

31 posted on 02/14/2008 1:34:00 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times

Unless you are Kerry and can prove just ONE thing untrue....FORGET IT!!


32 posted on 02/14/2008 1:37:20 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Interesting Times
You know, I could really use a million bucks...

You're going to split that right?

This integrity thing is such a b***h!

Regards,

TS

33 posted on 02/14/2008 1:38:27 PM PST by The Shrew (www.ToSetTheRecordStraight.com/www.swiftvets.com/www.wintersoldier.com-The Truth Shall Set YOU Free!)
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To: Ann Archy
Unless you are Kerry and can prove just ONE thing untrue....FORGET IT!!

I don't have to be Kerry. T. Boone Pickens' challenge at the American Spectator dinner was made to anyone who cared to accept. And I do have all these files laying around...

34 posted on 02/14/2008 1:42:56 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times

“If that was true, he would hardly have led President Bush throughout early 2004, only to see his poll numbers fall off a cliff in August, after the Swift Vets’ TV ads, book and web site were released.”

Kerry’s previous words and actions doomed him to defeat many, many years prior to 2004. The Swifties just opened the cellar door and let the light shine in for the American public to see. And the Democrats hate the truth like cockroaches hate the light.


35 posted on 02/14/2008 1:43:07 PM PST by Lions Gate
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To: The Shrew
You're going to split that right?

Have we met?

36 posted on 02/14/2008 1:43:23 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Lions Gate
The Swifties just opened the cellar door and let the light shine in for the American public to see.

That's considerably easier to type than it was to actually make happen.

37 posted on 02/14/2008 1:44:31 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Lions Gate
Kerry’s previous words and actions doomed him to defeat many, many years prior to 2004. The Swifties just opened the cellar door and let the light shine in for the American public to see. And the Democrats hate the truth like cockroaches hate the light.

Forgive my intrusion, but, IMHO, that's far too simplistic an approach. In fact, I would argue that's the approach that the SwiftVets took into the May 4, 2004 press conference. "If we just tell what we saw. Swear to it in depositions. Then, lay it out for the American people via their watchdog the press. Everything will be ok."

Well, It didn't work out that way! It's STILL not going to work out that way if the MSM has anything to do with it. Kerry is STILL running for the US Senate and no one seems to have said 'Boo' about it.

Regards,

TS

38 posted on 02/14/2008 1:47:42 PM PST by The Shrew (www.ToSetTheRecordStraight.com/www.swiftvets.com/www.wintersoldier.com-The Truth Shall Set YOU Free!)
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To: The Shrew
Kerry is STILL running for the US Senate and no one seems to have said 'Boo' about it.

Boo.

39 posted on 02/14/2008 1:50:28 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: geo40xyz
Kerry did sign a Form 180, but his records were released to only three friendly reporters.

John Kerry Signs Form 180 to release military records

40 posted on 02/14/2008 1:57:19 PM PST by kabar
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To: Interesting Times
Kerry sure got quiet after Pickens requested some actual documentation, didn't he?

He sure did! I had the pleasure of listening to Pickens during a radio interview a while back (don't remember with who) when he outlined the whole thing. I was cheering as I was driving down the highway, LOL. Put up, or shut up, John Kerry!

I'd like to hear more of the same--Kerry shouldn''t be able to get away with this.

p.s. I was reading something today at Media Matters that reiterated the same slurs, saying the SBVFTs distorted, etc. It gets my blood boiling real good. (grrrrrr....)

41 posted on 02/14/2008 2:02:05 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Interesting Times

Go for it and let us know.


42 posted on 02/14/2008 2:05:35 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: The Shrew

“Forgive my intrusion, but, IMHO, that’s far too simplistic an approach. In fact, I would argue that’s the approach that the SwiftVets took into the May 4, 2004 press conference. “If we just tell what we saw. Swear to it in depositions. Then, lay it out for the American people via their watchdog the press. Everything will be ok.”

Well, It didn’t work out that way! It’s STILL not going to work out that way if the MSM has anything to do with it. Kerry is STILL running for the US Senate and no one seems to have said ‘Boo’ about it.”

That is because Kerry continues to run as a U.S. Senator in the most liberal state in this nation - The People’s Republic of Massachusetts. These are the same liberal hypocrites that turn a blind eye to drunken Ed Kennedy leaving a young woman to drown while he swims away and lies about the ordeal - then keep electing the scumbag for almost 40 more years as a U.S. Senator! Talk about stuck on stupid!

Kerry CAN get away with his crap in Massachusetts, but he CANNOT get away with his previous words & actions in America as a whole. The Swifties helped make sure of that.


43 posted on 02/14/2008 2:23:13 PM PST by Lions Gate
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To: Interesting Times

Good article. Thanks for posting.


44 posted on 02/14/2008 2:27:47 PM PST by Rocky
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To: Rocky
Good article. Thanks for posting.

My pleasure.

45 posted on 02/14/2008 2:30:30 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times

“That’s considerably easier to type than it was to actually make happen.”

That may be the understatement of the century.


46 posted on 02/14/2008 2:31:13 PM PST by Lions Gate
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To: Lions Gate
That is because Kerry continues to run as a U.S. Senator in the most liberal state in this nation - The People’s Republic of Massachusetts. These are the same liberal hypocrites that turn a blind eye to drunken Ed Kennedy leaving a young woman to drown while he swims away and lies about the ordeal - then keep electing the scumbag for almost 40 more years as a U.S. Senator! Talk about stuck on stupid!

Kerry CAN get away with his crap in Massachusetts, but he CANNOT get away with his previous words & actions in America as a whole. The Swifties helped make sure of that.

I don't necessarily disagree, but I won't condemn the SwiftVets for stepping down once Kerry was defeated for POTUS, but you would think this would be the perfect issue for all of the Conservative Pac's and 527's to rally around and demand that Senator X state his position on whether or not Kerry should be in the US Senate based upon the sworn testimoney of Kerry's shipmates?

Conservatives want to gripe about liberals - well, here ya go.

Regards,

TS

47 posted on 02/14/2008 2:54:43 PM PST by The Shrew (www.ToSetTheRecordStraight.com/www.swiftvets.com/www.wintersoldier.com-The Truth Shall Set YOU Free!)
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To: kabar
Boston Globe, LA Times and some other third party DOES NOT equate to signing the damn 1080 so the general public has access.

Just another LIBERAL lie kabar...

48 posted on 02/14/2008 2:57:22 PM PST by geo40xyz (McCain, Obama or Hillarybeast and 4 Supreme Court Justices... The winner is?)
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To: geo40xyz
Just another LIBERAL lie kabar...

Kerry signed the SF 180 [not 1080] to make the claim that he signed it. The only problem is that he restricted the release of the info. At CPAC, I met with Jeff Beatty, the guy running against Kerry this year. Good guy. He deserves all of our support.

Jeff Beatty For Senate

49 posted on 02/14/2008 3:03:02 PM PST by kabar
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To: wmileo

Ping.


50 posted on 02/14/2008 4:38:43 PM PST by shoptalk
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