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Australia: Zoo slammed for elephant's 'under-age pregancy'
Times of London ^ | 02/14/08 | Philippe Naughton

Posted on 02/14/2008 3:02:37 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster

February 14, 2008

Zoo slammed for elephant's 'under-age pregancy'

Philippe Naughton

Sydney's Taronga Zoo has been reprimanded by animal rights activists for letting an Asian elephant fall pregnant even though she is only nine years old.

The zoo, famed for its views over Sydney Harbour Bridge and the Opera House, proudly announced today that Thong Dee was five months into a 22-month pregnancy and should become the first captive elephant in Australia to give birth. It even released ultrasound images to confirm what it called an "historic event".

But Erica Martin, who heads the Asia Pacific office of the International Fund for Animal Welfare, said that allowing such a young elephant to get pregnant was the equivalent of allowing your 12-year-old daughter to become pregnant”.

“It is completely irresponsible,” she said.

The ultrasound images identify a 10cm foetus with the beginnings of a spine, front and hind legs, although it is too early to determine whether it is male or female.

Thong Dee was a part of a group of eight Asian elephants imported from Thailand in November 2006.

Animal rights groups said today that there was little conservation benefit in Thong Dee’s pregnancy and that the young elephant faced health risks.

“We know that calves born in zoos have double the mortality rate in the wild, and this pregnancy will put both mother and calf at great risk,” said Bidda Jones, chief scientist of the Australian RSPCA. “Stillbirth, infanticide and rejection of calves are the main causes of infant mortality and Thong Dee’s age and lack of maternal and social experience make this pregnancy very risky."

The zoo says that its four female Asian elephants have all been assessed by reproductive specialists as eligible for breeding and points out that the early Asian Elephant pregnancy in a European zoo was five and a half years.

Mr Cooper said: “The well-being of all animals in our care is of paramount importance and our breeding programmes are carefully managed to exacting standards that ensure our specialist staff employ the latest advice and scientific research."

Asian elephants are smaller than their African cousins and are listed as endangered. They live for about 80 years in the wild and about 60 in captivity.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: australia; elephant; pregnancy; zoo
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1 posted on 02/14/2008 3:02:39 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

guilty


2 posted on 02/14/2008 3:03:14 PM PST by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Does this mean that if she was in the wild, no male elephant would have knocked her up?


3 posted on 02/14/2008 3:03:49 PM PST by squidly
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To: TigerLikesRooster
But Erica Martin, who heads the Asia Pacific office of the International Fund for Animal Welfare, said that allowing such a young elephant to get pregnant was the equivalent of allowing your 12-year-old daughter to become pregnant”.

“It is completely irresponsible,” she said.

So is Erica advocating a pachyderm abortion?

4 posted on 02/14/2008 3:04:47 PM PST by VRWCmember (McCain 2008 - If it's inevitable, you might as well lay back and try to enjoy it.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; Lijahsbubbe; aculeus; martin_fierro; dighton; Yehuda
Sydney's Taronga Zoo has been reprimanded by animal rights activists for letting an Asian elephant fall pregnant even though she is only nine years old.

Mohammed the papa?

5 posted on 02/14/2008 3:05:11 PM PST by Ezekiel
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To: TigerLikesRooster
animal rights activists

Wacko's incorporated

6 posted on 02/14/2008 3:05:15 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

They should Condom the prevert!!!!!


7 posted on 02/14/2008 3:06:20 PM PST by Young Werther (Julius Caesar (Quae Cum Ita Sunt. Since these things are so.))
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Who the baby daddy? The alpha male elephant?


8 posted on 02/14/2008 3:07:23 PM PST by dennisw (Never bet on Islam!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Is she advocating abstinence or safe sex?


9 posted on 02/14/2008 3:08:58 PM PST by Tai_Chung
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To: dennisw
drug-dealing gansta elephant.

It was also a date rape. /sarc

10 posted on 02/14/2008 3:09:01 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: Young Werther

Elephant condoms, a truly stupendous concept.


11 posted on 02/14/2008 3:09:30 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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To: Ezekiel

fall pregnant

I love that low class Britishism “ fall pregnant “ like it is something that just happens...out of the blue.

“I was prancing down the street and all of a sudden I found that I fell pregnant.”


12 posted on 02/14/2008 3:10:15 PM PST by Chickensoup (If it is not permitted, it is prohibited. Only the government can permit....)
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To: Amos the Prophet
Elephant condoms, a truly stupendous concept.

Why's that? I have to use that size already :D :D :D
14 posted on 02/14/2008 3:13:04 PM PST by Adammon
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Twenty years ago, this would have been satire.

Also, according to an animal facts page on Asian elephants, they live on average 60 years in the wild and 80 in captivity. The article has the numbers mixed up. I wonder if that was a mistake or a deliberate ploy by the leftie paper to make zoos look bad.


15 posted on 02/14/2008 3:13:09 PM PST by JillValentine (Being a feminist is all about being a victim. Being an armed woman is all about not being a victim.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
But Erica Martin, who heads the Asia Pacific office of the International Fund for Animal Welfare, said that allowing such a young elephant to get pregnant was the equivalent of allowing your 12-year-old daughter to become pregnant”.

Well that was the age decided by Mother Nature . Isn't demanding elephants following cultural norms set by human society a little specieist?

17 posted on 02/14/2008 3:14:17 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Never say yer sorry, mister. It's a sign of weakness)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
I don’t remember any elephants at the Sydney Zoo all I remember is a loud Lion. That was 40 years ago next month on R&R though.
18 posted on 02/14/2008 3:16:32 PM PST by mountainlyons
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Ya can’t make this s-it up. Can ya, huh???


19 posted on 02/14/2008 3:18:17 PM PST by Waco
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To: Amos the Prophet

Are you calling me stupen????


20 posted on 02/14/2008 3:18:45 PM PST by Young Werther (Julius Caesar (Quae Cum Ita Sunt. Since these things are so.))
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To: Morgana

This is an Asian elephant, not an African one. Asian elephants have smaller ears than African elephants, and can be semi-domesticated.


22 posted on 02/14/2008 3:21:32 PM PST by Tax-chick ("Good guy wins, bad guy gets dead. Nothing to cry over here." ~ trimom)
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To: JillValentine
Also, according to an animal facts page on Asian elephants, they live on average 60 years in the wild and 80 in captivity. The article has the numbers mixed up. I wonder if that was a mistake or a deliberate ploy by the leftie paper to make zoos look bad.

Thank you........I was wondering about that, considering the animals are considered endangered, one would think they lived longer in captivity.

23 posted on 02/14/2008 3:21:44 PM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Look, I’m sorry. It was late at night and the bar was dark and she swore to me she was ten...


24 posted on 02/14/2008 3:23:37 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Erica Martin and all you doogooding weenie-whining anthropomorphizing crybabies: Just shut up. Shut your piehole. Do the world a favor, and go hug a wombat or something, but just SHUT YOUR MOUTH! Nobody is listening to you. We all have our fingers in our ears, and we are all singing, “Lalalalalalalalalalalalala!!” So shut up and go away. The elephant got pregnant because that’s what elephants do. Get over yourself.


25 posted on 02/14/2008 3:24:25 PM PST by redhead (VICTORY FIRST, THEN PEACE)
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To: Young Werther

Even if they made elephant condoms, who would they get to put one on the elephant?


26 posted on 02/14/2008 3:26:38 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: Tax-chick
and can be semi-domesticated

...unlike the human female. :^)

28 posted on 02/14/2008 3:28:41 PM PST by politicalwit (AKA... A Tradition Continues...Now a Hoosier Freeper)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Well, I have to agree with the animal rights fruitcakes here. We’re in the 21st Century and I think a cow elephant should postpone marriage and childbearing until after college.
29 posted on 02/14/2008 3:29:01 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Morgana

True, although I think habitat destruction is the bigger issue for Asian elephants.


30 posted on 02/14/2008 3:30:32 PM PST by Tax-chick ("Good guy wins, bad guy gets dead. Nothing to cry over here." ~ trimom)
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To: Kirkwood
Even if they made elephant condoms, who would they get to put one on the elephant?


32 posted on 02/14/2008 3:32:08 PM PST by squidly
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To: Kirkwood
Who else! SABU, of course.

"Up Simba!"

33 posted on 02/14/2008 3:32:50 PM PST by Young Werther (Julius Caesar (Quae Cum Ita Sunt. Since these things are so.))
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To: Chickensoup

I’ve noticed that. It’s like they trip down the stairs and whoops! British girls sure are clumsy.


35 posted on 02/14/2008 3:37:47 PM PST by Ezekiel
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To: Morgana

My guess would be the one named “Bubba.”


36 posted on 02/14/2008 3:39:19 PM PST by JillValentine (Being a feminist is all about being a victim. Being an armed woman is all about not being a victim.)
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To: Ezekiel

an Asian elephant fall pregnant
__________________________________________

It’s definitely in the water...


37 posted on 02/14/2008 3:41:12 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: colorado tanker

Well, I have to agree with the animal rights fruitcakes here. We’re in the 21st Century and I think a cow elephant should postpone marriage and childbearing until after college.

But it is unnatural to think that she will be a virgin until graduation. So time for safer sex and of course the abortion mill. Wont do ANYTHING to your fertility later dearie.


38 posted on 02/14/2008 3:41:16 PM PST by Chickensoup (If it is not permitted, it is prohibited. Only the government can permit....)
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To: squidly

I found my next job!


39 posted on 02/14/2008 3:42:04 PM PST by Chickensoup (If it is not permitted, it is prohibited. Only the government can permit....)
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To: JillValentine

well.....those zookeepers left a young girl elephant to be molested. That bull elephant is a child molester.


40 posted on 02/14/2008 3:43:00 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Chickensoup
But it is unnatural to think that she will be a virgin until graduation. So time for safer sex and of course the abortion mill. Wont do ANYTHING to your fertility later dearie.

I just got an awful image of our lovely lass out on a "date" with a bull elephant and some animal rights nut trying to put a condom on the bull elephant.

41 posted on 02/14/2008 3:50:52 PM PST by colorado tanker
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some animal rights nut trying to put a condom on the bull elephant.

Brings a smile to MY lips!


42 posted on 02/14/2008 3:57:07 PM PST by Chickensoup (If it is not permitted, it is prohibited. Only the government can permit....)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Her name was ‘Thong’ Dee. Get it? Slut elephant.


43 posted on 02/14/2008 3:59:58 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: Morgana

I agree. Although stillbirth is still a risk - as it is in any birth, of any species - surely the zoo can keep her or the other elephants from killing the baby, or can hand-rear it if the mother neglects it.


44 posted on 02/14/2008 4:03:24 PM PST by Tax-chick ("Good guy wins, bad guy gets dead. Nothing to cry over here." ~ trimom)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Ahhh teenage elephant pregnancy...stop the insanity...wait, strike that, stop the inanity.
45 posted on 02/14/2008 4:03:40 PM PST by IMissPresidentReagan ("Don't give up your ideals, don't compromise, don't turn to expediency..."Ronald Reagan, 1976)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"Australia: Zoo slammed for elephant's 'under-age pregancy'(sic)"

"Lord knows we've tried mate but the damned bulls just won't use the condoms"

46 posted on 02/14/2008 4:04:36 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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“It is completely irresponsible,” she said.

So much for "safe sex education".......Abstinance works every time.

47 posted on 02/14/2008 4:09:24 PM PST by Hot Tabasco ( Donít go messing with Smokey Taylor. He just bought a whole bunch of fresh ammo.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
You know, elephants can be quite kinky. Here is Horton incubating an egg:


49 posted on 02/14/2008 4:11:59 PM PST by C210N (The television has mounted the most serious assault on Republicanism since Das Kapital.)
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To: Morgana
She would care for it if she was in the wild....it is called Mother instincts.

Maybe, maybe not. Some mother animals in the wild reject their young, for reasons that are unclear. Maybe they can suffer from post-partum psychosis, as some human mothers do.

50 posted on 02/14/2008 4:15:33 PM PST by Tax-chick ("Good guy wins, bad guy gets dead. Nothing to cry over here." ~ trimom)
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