got her on fullauto i see... 8^)
Posted on 02/14/2008 7:06:26 PM PST by RedRover
Sad but true, bigheaded one.
Apparently I was still having a spasm during that last post. Couldn’t get the format right.
got her on fullauto i see... 8^)
I wonder how many al-Queda members lurk here on FR?
What does it matter? Looks like they wrote it.
Winning hearts and minds of the local populace is fine, HOWEVER, INSTEAD of 'winning' the hearts and minds of your enemy, we should be 'destroying' the hearts and minds your enemy.
F#ck ###! Now we see what most have suspected. That the muzzie scum sucking pukes and the enablers on the left and in the legal profession as well as REMF are hanging our troops out to dry.
I can honestly say that if I was caught between the jag and the muzzies, I'd open fire in both directions. Either way I'm screwed, with a prison in my future. I might as well take as many down with me as possible.
Crippling our Corps. Having brave men, risk their lives, their bodies and future of their families just for PC bullsh#t and muzzie legal propaganda.
God help us. I honestly wish that as soon as the democrat gets elected the muzzies go nuclear.
Then we'll see the democrats and lawyers pray for waterboarding and Marines at the front protecting their sniveling asses.
Man, I just had to read that....thanks for getting my blood pressure up. I'm going to hit the heavy bag now......
Just DAMN!!
I suspected it was bad but not that bad.
Isn't that what the liberals have been openly saying all along?
Totally insane! Imagine these rules on Iwo Jima!
And the new Iraqi Constitution is based on Sharia Law. No Country with such a Constitution will ever accept Western Democracy. We have to stay to keep our new "allies"(subjects...whatever) from killing each other. As we approach spending a trillion dollars and many fine soilders lives in the process, all we really need to do is ship some of our police dept. hyper S.W.A.T. teams over there.
ROE’s I meant.
That is overkill, IMO. Just send crossing guards with their hand held stop signs.
bkmk
I think you are right insofar as the military mission should have ended long ago.
There is something to be said for the old idea of a “punitive expedition”. Kill a big bunch of ‘em and leave, letting them know you’ll be back if they make trouble for us again.
"Marines keep their honor clean. Doing the right thing must guide our conduct in all operations, at every level, and in every application of tactics, ROE, LOAC, and EOF procedures." - Lt Gen James Mattis, USMC
Whew... pathetic. Marines will spend more time memorizing this encyclopedia of rules than they will learning to kill the enemy. Even the once highly-regarded Mattis is drooling all over himself. Okay, Jimbo - - now give me a rundown of all the "rules of engagement" and "laws of war" that the enemy operates under. Get back to me....
Epitath of the Marine Corps: "Here lies the body of a proud force of warriors that was once regarded as the finest in the world. Killed by political correctness and weak-kneed political hacks, including military commanders and civilian bureaucrats."
Three nuggets of wisdom I try to drill into any Marine I know are:
1. "Trust your instincts."
2. "He who hesitates is dead."
3. "Better to be judged by a panel of ten than bagged by a detail of two."
(Bonus nugget: "Screw 'em all.")
Semper Fidelis
LH
The fifth point of the Doctrine is normally interpreted to mean that the U.S. should not get involved in peacekeeping or nation-building exercises. Powell expanded upon the Doctrine, asserting that when a nation is engaging in war, every resource and tool should be used to achieve decisive force against the enemy, minimizing US casualties and ending the conflict quickly by forcing the weaker force to capitulate. This is well in line with Western military strategy dating at least from Carl von Clausewitz's On War. In the context of the Just War theory, the doctrine of overwhelming force may violate the Principle of Proportionality. However, the Principle of Proportionality is more akin to the notion that the effect must be proportional to the cause, as opposed to a notion that there must be equal number of combatants on both sides of a given conflict.
The George Bush speaking at the “8th Annual Reunion of Our Victory in the Desert” Feb. 28, 1999:
It was only after all peaceful means failed, he said, “that we had to fight…”I’ll never forget,” he said, when Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Colin Powell “came over and said it was time to end the fighting — mission accomplished.… “I don’t believe in mission creep,” he continued. “Had we gone into Baghdad — we could have done it — and then what? “Which sergeant, which private, whose life would be at stake in perhaps a fruitless hunt in an urban guerilla war to find the most-secure dictator in the world? “Whose life would be on my hands as the commander-in-chief because I, unilaterally, went beyond the international law, went beyond the stated mission, and said we’re going to show our macho?” he asked. “We’re going into Baghdad. We’re going to be an occupying power — America in an Arab land — with no allies at our side. It would have been disastrous.” Bush said, “We don’t gain the size of our victory by how many innocent kids running away — even though they’re bad guys — that we can slaughter. … We’re American soldiers; we don’t do business that way.” … Bush said his memory of Vietnam influenced his thinking during the Gulf War. He recalled that politicians during the Vietnam War kept changing the conditions under which U.S. forces fought — bombing halts and cease-fires… We didn’t want any man or woman put into harm’s way,” Bush said. “We worked hard to form an international coalition…” - George H.W. Bush
There were indeed lessons to be learned from Vietnam.
One George Bush heeded those lessons.
One did not.
The Powell Doctrine is a refinement of the Weinberger Doctrine which preceeded it and was adhered to by Reagan and the first Bush.
The proximate event leading to Weinberger's speech was the bombing of the U.S. Marine barracks at Beirut airport on October 23, 1983, in which 241 marines died. The U.S. Marines were in Lebanon as part of an ill-fated U.S. peacekeeping mission undertaken despite the vigorous opposition of the U.S. Secretary of Defense and the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, who argued that its purpose was never clearly defined and that the chaotic, violent situation in Lebanon could not be brought under control by any outside force. They further argued that any U.S. military contingent entered into the Lebanon conflict would become a convenient and prominent target for the various factions in the civil war. A second, older event having strong impact on the Weinberger Doctrine was the U.S. military's failure to win the war in Vietnam and the costs incurred by the U.S. during that action.
F*** these idiots.
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