Secret Is Out: RUSH Helps McCain

RushLimbaugh.com ^ | February 14, 2008 | Rush Limbaugh

[TigersEye]

My son used to do that when he was a toddler, throw a tantrum and, when told to calm down, scream "NO, YOU CALM DOWN!!"

It's becoming clear he must have had a reason. LOL

[Yosemitest]

It's my bet, and I'll vote it like I choose.
McCain can go to the democrats, where he belongs.

[Twink]

The FDR (who sucked and we’re still paying for it, domestically) v. Carter analogy did it.

My Dad was Army Air Corps in WWII. Tons of uncles in other areas. Same with a couple of brothers, former military. One nephew was Marines, another Air Force. One is a Marine currently in Iraq another is in Afghanistan. Too long of a list to list, lol. None like or respect McCain, other than his military service but between what we have, he’d get the vote, I think.

An interesting tidbit: My junior had to write an essay and give an oral report/discuss a candidate, one of the four, today. I told her last night to pick McCain or Hillary because I could help her. she chose McCain and was one of 4 who did. the teacher kept saying BUT OTHER THAN THE war what can you positively say about him and why you chose him. So my kid says, well he says he’s pro life and we know hillary and obama aren’t. Teacher said that wasn’t really an answer. Another mentioned his conservative record (and I laughed and daughter didn’t understand). Teacher said but what makes you vote for him (like the War wasn’t enough or something). So my kid says, well he’s for stem cell research and the teacher seem pleased with that response, lol. And one kid chose Huckabee. One girl chose Hillary and spouted off about feminism things and how a female president would be a first here and how she’d fix all the wrongs done by men, blah blah blah. the teacher was intereste and kept asking questions. Most chose Obama. My kid said all they said about him was how he’d change things and how much we needed change. That healthcare would be fixed (but not HOW), that GW would be dealt with, and that we’d make peace with the world and try to understand other cultures and viewpoints. They said Obama was a motivator and could bring this country and world together. She said the Obama segment took up most of the class period since so many chose him. Then she says to me, so what does he stand for, support on the issues? Very telling imo. Even a junior in high school, after listening to her classmates reports, still has no idea what he stands for, other than change, and that he’s going to fix things and we’ll have world peace but no plans on how that’s going to happen.

[Twink]

I may have missed something but agree that your vote is your vote for whatever reasons dear to you.

I don’t think I insulted you or assumed anything but apologize if it came off that way. I was replying to Mr. Silverback, who I enjoyed a posting exchange with a few nights ago on this topic. Then, as now, was informative and thought provoking for me.

I’m not happy with our choices this election, on either side. Hell, I’m not happy with what’s going on in our country and those supposedly representing us and our Constitution.

[TigersEye]

No no, you didn’t insult me at all. I was using your post to elucidate my position to Mr. Silverback and anyone else following our exchange. Sorry to draw you into it that way. I agree with your points and respect your personal decision.

[roamer_1]

I stand by what I wrote, and I'm the last person to let either party off the hook for the condition of public schools.

Schools were but an example of the Republican's dishonor, complicity, or ineffectiveness. What you are experiencing is a vote of no confidence by the Conservatives. There will be no win until the moderates are out of power, and the Conservatives gain control.

I am sorry for your concern for the troops. I have no family over there currently, but I do have good friends in Iraq and Afghanistan, and family who could be called up as well. But there will be no "good" time for this event to occur- the WOT may stretch on for many years.

It is really of no consequence, as if the Globalist Republicans continue on their current course there will be no United States to defend. They are subverting our sovereignty, and are attempting to dilute our votes in an onslaught of illegal aliens.

There has been no relief from socialism, in fact it has increased. There has been no attempt to salvage our culture from the ravages of multiculturalism and moral relativism. Huge increases in bureaucracy and governmental spending have continued unabated.

It is my opinion that the single most dangerous threat to this nation comes not from without, but from within. It is the exponentially quickening slide into socialism caused by the Socialists' control of both sides of the aisle. If we wait much longer, there will be no reasonable chance of reversing the process.

Your ire is misplaced. It is the erring path of your party that has caused this nuclear option to be applied. In expressing yourself, please note that while you may convince a few to your cause, this decision that you see playing out is the aggregate decision of millions of independent individuals. You see but the tip of the iceberg in the outspoken Conservatives here and elsewhere.

There is no succor for the Republicans. This is a foregone conclusion. Without a Reagan Conservative, there will be no win.

[Twink]

I hadn’t read any of the other posts, just the one that caught my attention, Mr. Silverback’s and the FDR v. Carter comment.

I have read back now, some, and I wasn’t involved in that discussion or the public school thing. And for that all I can say is my kids attended and two still attend catholic grade school and two attend public high school and the two little ones will attend public high school. It doesn’t matter what either school teaches, outside of academics, because the foundations have been already set at home, imo. The catholic school has helped in raising out kids catholic but they’re a secondary factor.

I have two teens in public high school, excellent school and they’re honors/AP students and it will serve them well in college. And yes, some things they hear on the PA system or what they hear in their classes regarding abortion, homos, etc. doesn’t and shouldn’t have any impact on them since they’re not stupid. They and most of their classmates laugh at the gay historian of the day crap they hear over the PA system or Global Warming, or any other hot topic. Their school has that Silent Day thing for homos and my daughters tell me that 99% of the kids don’t follow it and even joke about those who do. They’re not buying what’s being sold.

Bottom line, imo, it’s ALL about the parents and it’s the parents responsibility to raise their kids. My teens come home and talk to me about what they learn in school, especially if it’s not what they’re learning at home. They always have and the younger ones in Catholic school do also.

However, I’m still not sure how public education became a part of the topic but I’m commenting on it, too. LOL. I put 2 kids through 9 years of catholic grade school and still have 2 to go. And, it’s expensive as hell! Parents are responsible for their kids and parenting isn’t always easy but to blame outside influences is a cop out imo. We all know how liberal public schools are but the home is the most important factor.

And as for using my post, I didn’t read the other posts prior to posting the first time so I didn’t know a discussion was ongoing. I wasn’t following the exchange just commenting on Mr. Silverback’s post, which I agreed with and replied to.

Maybe I should try reading the entire thread before posting, lol :) My posts would probably be more clear then.

[TigersEye]

Your post was quite clear. I had no problem with it. I actually wasn't a part of the school discussion. But I fully agree with your POV. If children are indoctrinated by the schools then the parents aren't doing what they ought to.

FWIW I'm not sure I would pick FDR over Carter. Carter was fairly ineffective in his four years. FDR did major damage in his twelve years not the least of which was stacking the Supreme Court and changing its makeup to this day through that influence. FDR ushered in full blown socialist programs which has established an acceptance of them as appropriate in our republic.

[Little_GTO]

Mr. Silverback, all that material and barely a comment. For a minute there I thought you were losing your touch. Then I looked at the other posts in the thread and see that your working on roamer_1.

Weren’t you a FredHead? I think your candidate was part of the problem too. Conservatives were divided, possibly intentionally.

One of the glaring problems with this election cycle is Campaign Finance Reform. The candidates that have the best chance are the well connected or the well healed. I'm not presenting this as an another excuse for Hunter not doing well, only another reason. With the present Campaign Finance Laws Ronald Reagan would have a tough time getting elected.

As for Hunter, I'm sure he'll land on his feet.

[Little_GTO]

For what it’s worth Mr. Silverback I agree with most of what roamer_1 says. My situation is similar to his. The schools are the big problem.

I have not decided what I will do in November. My vote will be very personal for many of roamer_1’s stated reasons.

Don’t argue with deeply held personal beliefs. This election will be difficult enough without you hounding someone about how much they did for their kids. We do the best we can with the hand we're dealt.

[snowrip]

Yes, let's ignore Obama's voting record too, then we can all live in the dream world where Obama is the conservative choice for President in 2008

Yes, let's do that, because that's exactly what I've written in every post where I criticize McCain. In fact, I have done nothing of the sort... ever.

We have arrived at, for lack of a better term, a crappy, crappy place here in America. With every illegal alien, tax scam, welfare expansion, defense cut, policy compromise, constitutional breach, social intrusion, trade giveaway and apology, we slide a little bit closer to full-blown socialism. Every time we elect a politician instead of a leader, we weaken our country. We have given both parties chance after chance to arrest the decline of our civilization... one group seems disintersted in, and the other openly hostile to, the future of America and Americans.For the democrats, we have a socialist and a communist running for the office of president. For the republicans, we have a man who embraces nearly every position as the two aforementioned buffoons.

As conservatives, we are particularly invested in the survival of our culture and our country. We see that voting the status quo has gotten our country nothing... nothing but broken promises. McCain is a status quo vote. It is true he has vowed to finish the Iraq conflict to the satisfaction of the United States; however, we have to see beyond that one facet in the war on terror. How is the future of America affected if win in Iraq, but pass a law giving voting rights to 65-140 million avowed Marxists with no respect for the law? How is the future of America affected if LOST or the SPP, both of which McCain supports, come to fruition? Moreover, how is the WOT affected if we treat terrorists as civilian criminals, granting them full legal protection under American law along with a free defense by the ACLU... as McCain advocates?

This is the impasse we find ourselves in. Do we vote for the lesser of two evils... again? Do we vote the establishment and get a wacko globalist... again? Do we vote for party ahead of country, when that party lies drunk with its own power, too weak and stupid to protect our country? That's what got us into the position we're in today. Do we hold our noses, compromise our values, and HOPE that McCain doesn't sell us even further down the river than we already are? Or, do we take a stand for something?

Our forefathers took a stand... against Britain, against Germany, against the Axis powers. Each time, things got worse before they got better. Each time, we as Americans had a difficult load to bear. Each time, we as a country had to sacrifice. We had to hunker down, and we had to keep our powder dry... sometimes metaphorically, and sometimes physically. Today we face enemies outside our country, but these are the enemies that are easiest to identify and to beat. The greatest danger to our future and our freedom lies within our own borders, in electing someone that will give away the things we have fought so hard to win and keep.

America needs a leader, not a politician. That leader will be a conservative, not a liberal, because true conservativism is the greatest protector of American values and American prosperity. Electing John McCain ensures the demise of the conservative movement as a political force... be it through public perception of his administration, through his embrace of liberal ideals, or through amnesty.

I believe that it is time to end the status quo in Washington, because the future of America is at stake.

I believe that our republican leaders no longer have the best interests of our country at heart.

I believe that the time for sacrifice has once again arrived, and I believe that a time for a political revolution, of sorts, is at hand. If that means allowing the country to see what happens when the liberals are in control, than THAT IS THE SACRIFICE WE MUST MAKE. It is always darkest before the dawn.

I was raised to take the right road, even if that road is the hardest, the longest, and the least easy to bear. I suspect that you were, too. Keep your powder dry.

[Almondjoy]

Of course he has every right to vote or not vote. Did I take out that position?

You can also make the choice to murder someone, steal from someone, donate to goodwill, park in handicap zone, give some change to homeless man.

No matter the act good or bad they all have consquences. Unfortuantely the people that don’t want to vote are the same people that will blame everyone else for the consquences.

[Almondjoy]

Nobody can save it.

If you know revelations then you should know that.

But I don’t think God intended us to help along the way by letting a true liberal get voted in.

You seem like the not my backyard type.

[Almondjoy]

Good luck with the other ways.. face it.. the movement is dead.

[Twink]

I agree FDR did major damage but Carter did major damage for our current world. Things were different during the FDR years. The Great Depression, WWII. It was different lifestyle and time for this country. Don’t get me wrong, I know FDR sucked domestically and his social programs sucked and we’re still paying for them and will continue to pay for them. But he was decent, far from perfect, in his foreign policy. And fortunately, we rectified that no term limit thing. Carter sucked completely so there’s no comparison, imo. He was the worst president in the 20th century imo.

I completely agree with you on FDR and the socialist programs we still suffer - my parents couldn’t stand him and never voted for him. He was decent on foreign policy, sucked domestically, but Carter sucked on both.

Thanks. I know our education system sucks but it’s all about the home imo. Parents need to parent their kids and no institution will trump that if it’s not allowed by the parents. Parents need to be parents imo and stop blaming everything else for the negatives and their own failings. College and grad school, the lib indoctrination centers, didn’t have any impact on me. And catholic and public school won’t have the most impact on my kids. If they do, then I failed as a parent.

I completely understand Mr. Silverback’s point. We can’t vote for hillary or obama because that isn’t fair to our military, they don’t deserve them as CIC. I don’t think they deserve McCain as CIC either but he is better than the other two. And we have to vote no matter what. I understand those who would vote 3rd party but I’m not sure I can. We know 3rd party won’t win, at least not now.

I still think obama or hillary will be POTUS because McCain won’t win, imo but it’s about how I vote right now, what I can deal with. So I understand if others think differently.

I don’t trust any of them running and I think it sucks that those are our choices. However, if it comes down to McCain v hillary or obama, I can’t vote for the other two and maybe I can vote for McCain. Not sure yet, but I know I’ll be voting.

[TigersEye]

I understand how you feel about it. I’ll be voting too.