Skip to comments.With McCain GOP nominee, should Pubs in remaining states pick Hillary or Obama?
Posted on 02/14/2008 10:10:39 PM PST by TheEaglehasLanded
Illinois is already completed, so my state is out.
But if you live in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, Oregon, North Carolina, Wisconsin, etc. left in the Democrat party primaries. With Obama and Clinton fairly close, but Obama winning by large margins lately.
Would conservatives be better off entering the Democrat primaries they can participate in to vote for Hillary and keep it close or vote for Obama to help him get a huge delegate lead and end the Clinton's stranglehold that has been over the Democrat party since 1992.
Conservatives who can't support McCain and nothing else really left to decide nationally, other than the number of delegates Huckabee and Ron Paul will get.
With Romney endorsing McCain encouraging his delegates to McCain as payback for Huckabee undercutting Romney throughout the primary. Huckabee, game over.
Obama. Hillary is both evil and effective. Obama is vacuous and hopefully ineffective.
Hell no. Vote for Huck and defeat McQueeg. Force a brokered convention.
I disagree. Everyone hates Hillary, but Obama is naive. That makes him dangerous. He’s said the first thing he will do is go to our enemies like Syria to try and talk to them. Even Hillary sees how stupid that is.
Obama. Just like Clintons, he wants to be loved, but doesn’t have the machine to be feared. In Washington, it makes all the difference.
They both want the same things, Clintons will be better at couching and pushing them through.
And we’ll be essentially done with the Clintons, and with the “blacks have no power” issues. Two (or more) birds in one election cycle.
Vote for Hillary if only to insure both of them go into the nomination bloodied, bereft and bankrupt.
The screwed around in our primary now its time to pay them back with pain.
I think you should cast your vote for the one who is behind at the time. You want to throw the decision into their convention. The results of a brokered convention will be sure to p.o. half of them.
She’d be easier to beat and, really, she wouldn’t be nearly as awful a President as Obama. Between her and Obama, it’s like choosing between Clinton and Jimmy Carter. At least ol’ Billy Blythe wasn’t ALWAYS a complete fool. Nor, thank God, is either he or she (and who knows where he ends and she begins) an idealist at heart?
Obama, based upon his background, is either Chauncey Gardner from “Being There” or someone playing a very, very careful and long game. Either is more frightening than Clinton 2.0.
Until Romney endorsed McCain today I would have agreed with you. Most Romney delegates will do what their candidate wants. McCain does better in blue states and Oregon, Pennsylvania, Vermont with battleground states like Ohio and Wisconsin that would lean McCain is too much to expect that McCain won’t get the number of delegates he needs which is less than 100 now.
Hillary or Obama is the only race left unless you have a Senate, Congressional or Governor’s race in your state at the same time.
Conservatives should NEVER vote for liberal Democrats.
Let the Democrats mess up their own party.
Your vote only gets added to the total to ‘prove’ the liberals are getting more and more support.
Better plan: Use for vote as a GOP primary vote to SEND A MESSAGE. Vote for your favorite cosnervative GOP candidate whoever it is! LEt the powers that be know that there are conservatives out there who want to vote CONSERVATIVE.
You cant send that message by wasting your vote helping Obama become president or saving Hillary from disgrace.
CONSERVATIVES SHOULD VOTE FOR CONSERVATIVES.
I hope most Romney delegates have more sense then to take Romney’s advice.
The time and effort expended in this exercise in futility would be better spent on grassroots support for getting actual conservatives on ballots and getting elected to Congress.
Are you on crack, he’s a muslim.
Are you not supporting conservative congressmen? That is the ONLY type I support.
If you’re interested in getting a liberal with an R next to their name elected you have to vote for Mrs. Clinton.
The RNC is hoping that conservatives animosity towards her will energize the base and force them to vote for their liberal.
Get on the RNC Hillary bandwagon...MONICA LEWINSKY’S EX BOYFRIENDS WIFE FOR PRESIDENT!!!!
“Hillary or Obama is the only race left unless you have a Senate, Congressional or Governors race in your state at the same time.”
BS, there are a LOT more important races than that!!!!
Folks listen up: The Presidential nominee of today was a state or local guy 10 or 20 years ago ... you need to vote for the conservative in every race from dogcatcher to US Senate. There are always important primary races, so dont be fooled into thinking the Prez race is important. It’s not for the reason that you cannot influence much anyway. Your vote will not count! like in Texas, it is proportional representation. So a slight shift in totals means nothing.
OTOH you can have a big impact choosing conservatives in the small down-ballot races.
Conservatives should vote for conservatives, not marxist empty suits or feminazi crones.
“The time and effort expended in this exercise in futility would be better spent on grassroots support for getting actual conservatives on ballots and getting elected to Congress.”
WELL SAID. And that is also a good retort to the misguided idea to vote Democrat. Never ever ever ever do that.
Vote Dem now so it will be easier in Nov. Go Ann
Hillary, she rules...
As bad as either of them might be Barry is a sinister man, there is something so deep in him as to be dangerous.
If you are going to vote in the dem primary vote HRC.
For us to have the best chance of regaining Congress, two things should happen:
I could never pull the lever for a liberal Democrat for fear of getting Cooties. But, if you’re inclined to cause mischief, I’d say vote for Obama. He is extremely liberal and hasn’t been called to defend that record. Hillary will hold traditional Democrats and will get a sizable vote from women voting for her because she’s a woman only. Blacks already vote Democrat and are only 13% of the electorate. Obama will be much easier to beat, he’s ascended based on empty, touchy-feely rhetoric. He can’t keep that up until November.
Hence, when a liberal one ascends to the GOP presidential race, I don’t support them.
KV the househole politicko afficainato is sleeping so I will risk looking dumb by asking....
How can we vote D (not that I would ) in the Primary if we are Republican?
Oregon BTW has it’s primary in May.
John McCain would certainly be more likely to win against Hillary than Obama. On the other hand, a McCain victory would completely seal the fate of the OGOP. It's really hard to say which scenario is least vile.
Some of the states have their Presidential Primaries on 1 date and the down ballot races at a later date.
Obviously, if you have a down ballot candidate you like or have worked for you have to vote in Republican primary and not vote for McCain for President.
Hillary talks a good game, but she would never yank troops from Iraq. She is part of the great D.C. machine now, absorbed by the lobbyist Borg as was McCain, Dole, Bush, DeLay et al. No she hasn't lost her liberal verve, but she is beholden to too many corporate interests now to foment any radical change.
Plus a Clinton come from behind victory for the nomination would devastate the black and young voters in November, keeping them home in droves, and giving us the only fighting chance we've got. That depressed turnout could also make the difference in close Senate races such as Colorado, etc.
I urge all Republicans in states such as TX to vote for Hillary and crush the Pied Piper of Obama.
Brilliant. My thoughts exactly. An Obama presidency is the worst possible outcome of Election 2008.
Obama could get a strong Democrat vote in the general election, but Hillary would get a large swing vote from our Party (feminism, globalism, import interests). Obama really wouldn’t get much done as a president. He would be too overwhelmed by competing interests in his Party and often blocked by Congress.
Of the three liberals on the ticket[s], vote for one who can abuse the least and do the least damage with that power... and that's Obama. This would be a repeat of the early Clinton WH years, only Obama will not be able to regroup and change course, because he would become hated by his faithful and because he doesn't have the DLC background and "formation" to back him.
Conservatives then might even find some spine and new, young[er] leaders, and will have 2+ years to deliver the strategy and the candidates.
I’m going to vote for the conservative, Dr. Ron Paul.
I am in Texas. I won’t vote in the Dem primary because there are other races beside the one for President.
Some of us feel it is important to vote in the Primaries for particular candidates as Judges, District Attorneys, State Senators, legislators, sheriffs, County Treasurers, etc. The Presidential Primary isn’t the only thing Texans are voting on in these primaries.
How is McCain as the face of Republican Party grabbing you?
You’ve got to hand it to the democrats. Despite what we have all said for about 15 years, they could find someone worse and proved it.
Note to self: Don’t tempt them to find somone worse than Obama.
Never vote for those liberal socialists, Billary Rodham Clinton or Barack Hussein Obama.
Support Hillary. You might get to meet Ann Coulter at a fundraiser.
Anyone thinking they want to vote for Obama
Check out and read the links below.
His connection with Marxist, muslims, anti Jewish, etc.
also his family background is part of the same.
What are some of you people smoking?
Just because some of us refuse to vote for just anything and everything with an (R) stamped on it doesn’t mean we’ll vote for Democraps.
The Wicked Witch of the West or the Manchurian candidate?
I’d vote for the witch.
Obama has Muslim and African issues and is even more “liberal” (=anti-American) than Hillary.
Never thought that would be possible.
Question: Where did Obama get $700,000 plus money to give to superdelegates over the last 4-6 years?
Hillary gave them less than $200,000.
The devil we know may not be as bad as the devil we don’t know.
Well, if you do adopt this strategy, you gotta vote for the most beatable democrat. That is Hillary. She doesn’t inspire anyone, she is hated by a huge segment of people that will NEVER vote for her, and she isn’t gaining momentum, and her fundraising isn’t as hot. She has lots of enemies and has really pissed off a LOT of people that aren’t willing to stick their necks out for her (at least as much as they used to) anymore.
Obama has this image people are enthralled with, partly because he’s nottelling them what he’s gonna do if elected - and he’s smart enough to know he can’t do that. But he’s got a way fo speaking and not saying anything but making people feel good and think he’s the guy to change things (again, not talking about the details of the changes) for the better for them. He’s got a movement building. He’s the guy to take down now.
If you are wanting to vote strategically, to put a beatable democrat as the candidate, you vote for Hillary so that Obama isn’t the democrat nominee.
see post #45
Obama is far more dangerous and there won’t be a next time to vote.
Check the links I included
Could it be......... SATAN? (I miss church lady.)