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With McCain GOP nominee, should Pubs in remaining states pick Hillary or Obama?
vanity | February 14, 2008 | the eagle has landed

Posted on 02/14/2008 10:10:39 PM PST by TheEaglehasLanded

Illinois is already completed, so my state is out.

But if you live in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, Oregon, North Carolina, Wisconsin, etc. left in the Democrat party primaries. With Obama and Clinton fairly close, but Obama winning by large margins lately.

Would conservatives be better off entering the Democrat primaries they can participate in to vote for Hillary and keep it close or vote for Obama to help him get a huge delegate lead and end the Clinton's stranglehold that has been over the Democrat party since 1992.

Conservatives who can't support McCain and nothing else really left to decide nationally, other than the number of delegates Huckabee and Ron Paul will get.

With Romney endorsing McCain encouraging his delegates to McCain as payback for Huckabee undercutting Romney throughout the primary. Huckabee, game over.


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1 posted on 02/14/2008 10:10:40 PM PST by TheEaglehasLanded
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

Obama. Hillary is both evil and effective. Obama is vacuous and hopefully ineffective.


2 posted on 02/14/2008 10:11:48 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (I'm a Maverick Republican: I'll oppose the Party Nominee if I want to, and you have to like it!)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

Hell no. Vote for Huck and defeat McQueeg. Force a brokered convention.


3 posted on 02/14/2008 10:12:56 PM PST by pissant (Time for a CONSERVATIVE party)
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To: Uncle Miltie

I disagree. Everyone hates Hillary, but Obama is naive. That makes him dangerous. He’s said the first thing he will do is go to our enemies like Syria to try and talk to them. Even Hillary sees how stupid that is.


4 posted on 02/14/2008 10:14:19 PM PST by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Obama. Just like Clintons, he wants to be loved, but doesn’t have the machine to be feared. In Washington, it makes all the difference.

They both want the same things, Clintons will be better at couching and pushing them through.

And we’ll be essentially done with the Clintons, and with the “blacks have no power” issues. Two (or more) birds in one election cycle.


5 posted on 02/14/2008 10:16:58 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

Vote for Hillary if only to insure both of them go into the nomination bloodied, bereft and bankrupt.

The screwed around in our primary now it’s time to pay them back with pain.


6 posted on 02/14/2008 10:18:04 PM PST by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

I think you should cast your vote for the one who is behind at the time. You want to throw the decision into their convention. The results of a brokered convention will be sure to p.o. half of them.


7 posted on 02/14/2008 10:18:06 PM PST by chopperman
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

Hillary.

She’d be easier to beat and, really, she wouldn’t be nearly as awful a President as Obama. Between her and Obama, it’s like choosing between Clinton and Jimmy Carter. At least ol’ Billy Blythe wasn’t ALWAYS a complete fool. Nor, thank God, is either he or she (and who knows where he ends and she begins) an idealist at heart?

Obama, based upon his background, is either Chauncey Gardner from “Being There” or someone playing a very, very careful and long game. Either is more frightening than Clinton 2.0.


8 posted on 02/14/2008 10:18:10 PM PST by furquhart (John S. McCain for President)
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To: pissant

Until Romney endorsed McCain today I would have agreed with you. Most Romney delegates will do what their candidate wants. McCain does better in blue states and Oregon, Pennsylvania, Vermont with battleground states like Ohio and Wisconsin that would lean McCain is too much to expect that McCain won’t get the number of delegates he needs which is less than 100 now.

Hillary or Obama is the only race left unless you have a Senate, Congressional or Governor’s race in your state at the same time.


9 posted on 02/14/2008 10:18:30 PM PST by TheEaglehasLanded
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

Conservatives should NEVER vote for liberal Democrats.

Let the Democrats mess up their own party.

Your vote only gets added to the total to ‘prove’ the liberals are getting more and more support.

Better plan: Use for vote as a GOP primary vote to SEND A MESSAGE. Vote for your favorite cosnervative GOP candidate whoever it is! LEt the powers that be know that there are conservatives out there who want to vote CONSERVATIVE.

You cant send that message by wasting your vote helping Obama become president or saving Hillary from disgrace.

CONSERVATIVES SHOULD VOTE FOR CONSERVATIVES.


10 posted on 02/14/2008 10:18:59 PM PST by WOSG (I'm voting for the best man on the ballot - Mitt Romney)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

I hope most Romney delegates have more sense then to take Romney’s advice.


11 posted on 02/14/2008 10:19:30 PM PST by pissant (Time for a CONSERVATIVE party)
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To: pissant; All
Hell no. Vote for Huck and defeat McQueeg. Force a brokered convention.

The time and effort expended in this exercise in futility would be better spent on grassroots support for getting actual conservatives on ballots and getting elected to Congress.

12 posted on 02/14/2008 10:20:40 PM PST by britt reed (What if the Founding Fathers had "just stayed home"?)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Are you on crack, he’s a muslim.


13 posted on 02/14/2008 10:21:17 PM PST by AliVeritas ( (To err is human, but to really screw up it takes the Berkeley City Council))
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To: britt reed

Are you not supporting conservative congressmen? That is the ONLY type I support.


14 posted on 02/14/2008 10:21:43 PM PST by pissant (Time for a CONSERVATIVE party)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

If you’re interested in getting a liberal with an R next to their name elected you have to vote for Mrs. Clinton.

The RNC is hoping that conservatives animosity towards her will energize the base and force them to vote for their liberal.

Get on the RNC Hillary bandwagon...MONICA LEWINSKY’S EX BOYFRIENDS WIFE FOR PRESIDENT!!!!


15 posted on 02/14/2008 10:23:22 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

“Hillary or Obama is the only race left unless you have a Senate, Congressional or Governor’s race in your state at the same time.”

BS, there are a LOT more important races than that!!!!

Folks listen up: The Presidential nominee of today was a state or local guy 10 or 20 years ago ... you need to vote for the conservative in every race from dogcatcher to US Senate. There are always important primary races, so dont be fooled into thinking the Prez race is important. It’s not for the reason that you cannot influence much anyway. Your vote will not count! like in Texas, it is proportional representation. So a slight shift in totals means nothing.

OTOH you can have a big impact choosing conservatives in the small down-ballot races.

Conservatives should vote for conservatives, not marxist empty suits or feminazi crones.


16 posted on 02/14/2008 10:23:49 PM PST by WOSG (I'm voting for the best man on the ballot - Mitt Romney)
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To: britt reed

“The time and effort expended in this exercise in futility would be better spent on grassroots support for getting actual conservatives on ballots and getting elected to Congress.”

WELL SAID. And that is also a good retort to the misguided idea to vote Democrat. Never ever ever ever do that.


17 posted on 02/14/2008 10:25:09 PM PST by WOSG (I'm voting for the best man on the ballot - Mitt Romney)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Vote Dem now so it will be easier in Nov. Go Ann


18 posted on 02/14/2008 10:26:31 PM PST by factmart
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

Hillary, she rules...


19 posted on 02/14/2008 10:28:11 PM PST by Tempest (I'm a Christian. Before I am a conservative.)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

As bad as either of them might be Barry is a sinister man, there is something so deep in him as to be dangerous.
If you are going to vote in the dem primary vote HRC.


20 posted on 02/14/2008 10:28:30 PM PST by svcw (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: britt reed
The time and effort expended in this exercise in futility would be better spent on grassroots support for getting actual conservatives on ballots and getting elected to Congress.

For us to have the best chance of regaining Congress, two things should happen:

  1. Obama should be ahead going into the convention, but not so far ahead that Hillary can't SuperDelegate her way to the nomination.
  2. Someone other than McCain should be the nominee, so disaffected Democrats will simply stay home.
Since #2 seems unlikely, #1 seems perhaps dangerous. If Obama's priority list includes things like tripling the minimum wage, he's apt to flail uselessly in his first couple years like the Clintons did.
21 posted on 02/14/2008 10:29:57 PM PST by supercat
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To: Eric Blair 2084
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22 posted on 02/14/2008 10:31:05 PM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: pissant; All
Are you not supporting conservative congressmen? That is the ONLY type I support.

Always

23 posted on 02/14/2008 10:31:16 PM PST by britt reed (What if the Founding Fathers had "just stayed home"?)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded
Rush Limbuagh: "If Obama is the nominee, we are doomed..."
24 posted on 02/14/2008 10:31:27 PM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

I could never pull the lever for a liberal Democrat for fear of getting Cooties. But, if you’re inclined to cause mischief, I’d say vote for Obama. He is extremely liberal and hasn’t been called to defend that record. Hillary will hold traditional Democrats and will get a sizable vote from women voting for her because she’s a woman only. Blacks already vote Democrat and are only 13% of the electorate. Obama will be much easier to beat, he’s ascended based on empty, touchy-feely rhetoric. He can’t keep that up until November.


25 posted on 02/14/2008 10:31:48 PM PST by Azzurri
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To: britt reed

Hence, when a liberal one ascends to the GOP presidential race, I don’t support them.


26 posted on 02/14/2008 10:32:58 PM PST by pissant (Time for a CONSERVATIVE party)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

KV the househole politicko afficainato is sleeping so I will risk looking dumb by asking....

How can we vote D (not that I would ) in the Primary if we are Republican?

Oregon BTW has it’s primary in May.


27 posted on 02/14/2008 10:37:42 PM PST by Global2010 (Election 2008 like playin Shoots and Ladders (ages 5 and up))
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To: advance_copy
Rush Limbuagh: "If Obama is the nominee, we are doomed..."

John McCain would certainly be more likely to win against Hillary than Obama. On the other hand, a McCain victory would completely seal the fate of the OGOP. It's really hard to say which scenario is least vile.

28 posted on 02/14/2008 10:41:13 PM PST by supercat
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To: WOSG

Some of the states have their Presidential Primaries on 1 date and the down ballot races at a later date.

Obviously, if you have a down ballot candidate you like or have worked for you have to vote in Republican primary and not vote for McCain for President.


29 posted on 02/14/2008 10:47:25 PM PST by TheEaglehasLanded
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To: Uncle Miltie
I'll be writing in
30 posted on 02/14/2008 10:48:08 PM PST by KTM rider (Why cut off your nose to spite your face, when you can just hold it instead)
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To: KTM rider
I'll be writing in Ted Nugent for president
31 posted on 02/14/2008 10:49:47 PM PST by KTM rider (Why cut off your nose to spite your face, when you can just hold it instead)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded
Obama is the trojan horse communist. Obama is devoted to subverting U.S. sorveignty to the U.N. to redistribute wealth on a global scale. No wonder he is hailed by Daniel Ortega as "revolutionary". B. Hussein Obama is the most dangerous candidate by far. Imagine Jimmy Carter foreign policy plus a true believer in Marxism and racial "justice", and you have the absolute disaster of a President Obama.

Hillary talks a good game, but she would never yank troops from Iraq. She is part of the great D.C. machine now, absorbed by the lobbyist Borg as was McCain, Dole, Bush, DeLay et al. No she hasn't lost her liberal verve, but she is beholden to too many corporate interests now to foment any radical change.

Plus a Clinton come from behind victory for the nomination would devastate the black and young voters in November, keeping them home in droves, and giving us the only fighting chance we've got. That depressed turnout could also make the difference in close Senate races such as Colorado, etc.

I urge all Republicans in states such as TX to vote for Hillary and crush the Pied Piper of Obama.

32 posted on 02/14/2008 10:50:46 PM PST by montag813
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

Hillary


33 posted on 02/14/2008 10:54:49 PM PST by SoDak (Anyone but Obama)
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To: montag813

Brilliant. My thoughts exactly. An Obama presidency is the worst possible outcome of Election 2008.


34 posted on 02/14/2008 10:59:14 PM PST by SoDak (Anyone but Obama)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

Obama could get a strong Democrat vote in the general election, but Hillary would get a large swing vote from our Party (feminism, globalism, import interests). Obama really wouldn’t get much done as a president. He would be too overwhelmed by competing interests in his Party and often blocked by Congress.


35 posted on 02/14/2008 11:00:17 PM PST by familyop ("Don't worry, they'll row for a month before they figure out I'm fakin' it." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: supercat
It's really hard to say which scenario is least vile.

Of the three liberals on the ticket[s], vote for one who can abuse the least and do the least damage with that power... and that's Obama. This would be a repeat of the early Clinton WH years, only Obama will not be able to regroup and change course, because he would become hated by his faithful and because he doesn't have the DLC background and "formation" to back him.

Conservatives then might even find some spine and new, young[er] leaders, and will have 2+ years to deliver the strategy and the candidates.

36 posted on 02/14/2008 11:01:02 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: svcw
Read the post about this far left radical socialist by Cliff Kincard . Glenn Beck did a scary segment on this radical leftist.
His voting record is far more left than Bernie Saunder the socialist from Vermont!
Be very scared of Obama Hussien !
Vote Hillary to keep him far far away from power.
You can smell there is something sinister about him.
37 posted on 02/14/2008 11:01:06 PM PST by ncalburt
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

I’m going to vote for the conservative, Dr. Ron Paul.


38 posted on 02/14/2008 11:02:24 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

I am in Texas. I won’t vote in the Dem primary because there are other races beside the one for President.

Some of us feel it is important to vote in the Primaries for particular candidates as Judges, District Attorneys, State Senators, legislators, sheriffs, County Treasurers, etc. The Presidential Primary isn’t the only thing Texans are voting on in these primaries.


39 posted on 02/14/2008 11:05:52 PM PST by sockmonkey
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To: CutePuppy
Have you ever read anything about this radical socialist?
This guy is by far the most radical leftist in the senate!
He is farther left than Bernie Saunders!~
His has connections to the US socialist party and the socialist labor unions in Chicago.
Who do you think is financing him with those millions
? Soros, Daley machine , radical labor unions.
How do you think he got his senate seat ?
He got a fellow Daley stooge judge to reopen the sealed divorce papers of his repub rival .
This socialist is evil , power hungry ,and radical !
40 posted on 02/14/2008 11:06:39 PM PST by ncalburt
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To: ncalburt
Yes, and that will become the face of the Democratic Party!

How is McCain as the face of Republican Party grabbing you?

41 posted on 02/14/2008 11:09:54 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: montag813

You’ve got to hand it to the democrats. Despite what we have all said for about 15 years, they could find someone worse and proved it.

Note to self: Don’t tempt them to find somone worse than Obama.


42 posted on 02/14/2008 11:10:09 PM PST by DoughtyOne (We've got Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dumb & Tweedle Dumber left. Name them in order. I dare ya.)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

Never vote for those liberal socialists, Billary Rodham Clinton or Barack Hussein Obama.


43 posted on 02/14/2008 11:13:34 PM PST by gpapa (Kill the terrorists, protect the borders, punch the hippies)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

Support Hillary. You might get to meet Ann Coulter at a fundraiser.


44 posted on 02/14/2008 11:25:32 PM PST by TChad
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To: All

Anyone thinking they want to vote for Obama
Check out and read the links below.
His connection with Marxist, muslims, anti Jewish, etc.
also his family background is part of the same.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1970690/posts

http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm


45 posted on 02/14/2008 11:55:04 PM PST by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

What are some of you people smoking?

Just because some of us refuse to vote for just anything and everything with an (R) stamped on it doesn’t mean we’ll vote for Democraps.


46 posted on 02/14/2008 11:59:34 PM PST by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered. )
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

The Wicked Witch of the West or the Manchurian candidate?

I’d vote for the witch.

Obama has Muslim and African issues and is even more “liberal” (=anti-American) than Hillary.

Never thought that would be possible.

Question: Where did Obama get $700,000 plus money to give to superdelegates over the last 4-6 years?
Hillary gave them less than $200,000.

The devil we know may not be as bad as the devil we don’t know.


47 posted on 02/14/2008 11:59:47 PM PST by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

Well, if you do adopt this strategy, you gotta vote for the most beatable democrat. That is Hillary. She doesn’t inspire anyone, she is hated by a huge segment of people that will NEVER vote for her, and she isn’t gaining momentum, and her fundraising isn’t as hot. She has lots of enemies and has really pissed off a LOT of people that aren’t willing to stick their necks out for her (at least as much as they used to) anymore.

Obama has this image people are enthralled with, partly because he’s nottelling them what he’s gonna do if elected - and he’s smart enough to know he can’t do that. But he’s got a way fo speaking and not saying anything but making people feel good and think he’s the guy to change things (again, not talking about the details of the changes) for the better for them. He’s got a movement building. He’s the guy to take down now.

If you are wanting to vote strategically, to put a beatable democrat as the candidate, you vote for Hillary so that Obama isn’t the democrat nominee.


48 posted on 02/14/2008 11:59:55 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: CutePuppy

see post #45
Obama is far more dangerous and there won’t be a next time to vote.
Check the links I included


49 posted on 02/15/2008 12:00:04 AM PST by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: patriciaruth

Could it be......... SATAN? (I miss church lady.)


50 posted on 02/15/2008 12:00:28 AM PST by Secret Agent Man
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