Posted on 02/15/2008 4:58:53 AM PST by SJackson
Just another example that they don't teach logic in Islam.
If he was born in modern day Iraq, then he was an Iraqi .... using modern day “anchor baby” standards, a point that I was careful to make. Reread my post, and see if it’s not there.
The ‘Abiru, iirc, were a nomadic people, and if Abraham is the original one, then that is a designation that came after his leaving Ur of the Chaldees, the area that apparently was his home. After all, didn’t he send his servant to obtain his son’s wife from among his own people?
We’re not using different bibles. We’re probably just looking at different things.
Joseph was born before God gave the Jewish Religious Law to Moses. He is not a religious Jew. I don’t really see any way around that.
Even Paul argues the same when considering Abraham, who, Paul says, was before the giving of the law. Abraham was justified, according to Paul, not by keeping the law, but by faith.
Abraham believed God and that was credited to him as righteousness.
Is that Bishop Usher’s dating or the current year of the conservative Jewish calendar?
No matter how you look at it, 5767 is a very long time.
I didn’t call Jacob (Isreal), or even Joseph, a Jew or Hebrew. Or for that matter a religeous zealot of what is known as the One True God. I just defined that Jacob son of Issac, Son of Abraham, and brother of Esau, also known as Isreal was the Father of Joseph as well as Joseph’s twelve brothers who became the 12 tribes of Isreal.
Yeah, and all scientific advances were due to the religion of Islam,
and the Koran/Quran/Q’ran/acch[flem]ran is a “scientifically proven” “perfect book”.
Forgive me if I have misunderstood your post.
Interesting link. Thanks.
Buggs & XS, what do you think of the link at #67?
Since the word Adam means ruddy - to show blood in the face and Adam's genealogy can be traced to Christ there should be no surprise. From Adam to the birth of Christ the Bible describes over and over again the protection of that blood line to Christ... Reason for the flood. Note Judah (Genesis 38) who he married and how it was that Judah thinking he was bedding down with a harlot instead of knowing it was his daughter in law Tamar, continued the blood line. Christ was to be perfect as that final sacrificial lamb for one and all time. And the Old testament traces the Adam his offspring and the other families of this earth they came into contact with up to Christ.
What is rarely discussed is that before Christ came into a flesh body, the House of Jacob/Israel had a civil war. The family became two houses also called House of Israel and House of Judah. The House of Israel consisted of 10 tribes also called 'lost sheep' of the House of Israel, Christ notes them in Matthew 10:5-6 with His first instruction to the 12 disciples. The House of Israel, ten tribes, Ephraim (son of Joseph, and called Ephraim because that was the largest of the ten tribes) were divorced by the Heavenly Father and sent captive unto the Assyrian king. That group in the majority still to this day do not know who they are.
House of Judah, (Judah and Benjamin) (Saul - Paul was of Benjamin - Romans 11:1) were sent into captivity to the king of Babylon, yet it was this group that returned to Jerusalem during Ezra and Nehemiah time and remained there until after Christ earthly time. The tribe of Levi... Moses was the priest line and there would have been some of Levi that went with each of the tribes as that was their duty.
Joseph was one of the original 12 tribes of Israel. But his tribe was divided into 2 half tribes after their flight to Egypt. The half tribe of Menasseh and the half tribe of Ephraim. They were his 2 sons and Jacob divided Joseph’s tribe before his death. It couldn’t be more clear that Joseph was dedicated to the God of Israel. In the OT, God refers to Himself as the Father of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; Jacob was Joseph’s father. The 12 tribes of Irael were Hebrews or Jews as we now know them.
Joseph lived BC. He was Abraham and Sarah’s grandson.
Jesus was a Jew.
Saul - Paul was from the tribe of Benjamin yet he was a Roman citizen.
Being a Jew, he would have been olive skinned, dark hair and very dark eyes. He was probably very dark skinned due to spending so much time in the sun.
I had to smile, the other day I was reading that part of Genisis and when God told Hagar to go back to Sarai saying
” I will so increase your descendants that they will be too numerous to count..”
The angel of the Lord aslo said to her:
You are now with child and you will have a son.
You shall name him Ishmael.
He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him.
Gen 16:9-12
Oh it has been so true, the Muslims are descendants of Ismael, and they are a contentious lot.
Exactly. The dark leathery look comes from exposure to the scorching middle eastern sun.
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