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straight Talk about McCain and the Hard Right
Cagle Post ^ | 2//14/08 | ross mackenzie

Posted on 02/15/2008 9:59:22 AM PST by meandog

With Tsunami Tuesday now history, where do things stand in the Republican nomination race?

At this point we can’t know the winner absolutely but — far more than in the Democratic race — we can see clearly the shape of things to come. The Republican nominee is going to be John McCain.

I can’t vote for him. He’s just so, you know,liberal.

Liberal? In this party?

James Dobson can’t stand him. Sean Hannity wants Romney. Huckabee is solid. Strict libertarian Reason mag has run an article headlined: "Be afraid of President McCain: The frightening mind of an authoritarian maverick." Ann Coulter says if McCain wins the nomination she’ll campaign for Hillary. Rush —

How odd that, far less than it accepts Reagan disciple McCain, the hard right accepts the conservatism of Romney, who came to many of his most adamant positions along about yesterday. It’s impossible to know Romney’s true principles and convictions on any major issue. On health care and judicial appointments, his records as governor of Massachusetts waft somewhere between marginal and dubious.

And Huckabee, though frequently sound, holds statist positions to match the ones the ideologues think they perceive in McCain. Moreover, Huckabee clearly is a regional candidate who has carried not a single Republican primary (his Iowa win was in caucuses) outside the South.

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Rush was pretty upset about him being compared to Soviet Style purists.
1 posted on 02/15/2008 9:59:23 AM PST by meandog
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To: meandog

Yeah the Huckster is a “SOLID” socialist who uses HUMANISM disguised as “religion” as his weapon.

Guess what Hick?

I didn’t vote for you and I won’t be with you in hell.


2 posted on 02/15/2008 10:01:29 AM PST by nmh (Mike Huckabee the "religious" humanist that pushes socialism! (Clinton/Carter combo))
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To: meandog

I am so tired of compromised out people vilifying those that have PRINCIPLES and stnd on them. It’s not just a leftist tactic ... as you can see.


3 posted on 02/15/2008 10:02:55 AM PST by nmh (Mike Huckabee the "religious" humanist that pushes socialism! (Clinton/Carter combo))
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To: meandog
It all comes down to him trying to ram Amnesty through, in the cover of darkness, without committee hearings, without amendments.
4 posted on 02/15/2008 10:06:20 AM PST by Sybeck1 (It's truly bad when your Savior in November is Judas Himself.)
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To: meandog
No "Reagan disciple" opposes tax cuts.

McCain did just that.

McCain is nothing but a Judas Goat to the Republican Party.

5 posted on 02/15/2008 10:09:00 AM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: meandog

What all of us have to decide is whether we love our country more than we hate McCain. I really, really dislike him, both for his backstabbing politics and his cozying up to Dems (and, of them, generally the most liberal).

However.

The next occupant of the Oval Office will either be him or Hillary or Obama. IMHO, as bad as he is likely to be, either of the other 2 will be an utter disaster.

I’m not buying either the “staying home/voting 3rd Party will send a message” or the “he’ll be just as bad as them” or the “we’ll win back the Congress in 2010 and the WH in 2012 because the Dem will be so bad” arguments. I foolishly bought into them in 1992, and look what we got-the Clintons, both of them, and not just for 4 years or even 8, but for the last 16 and quite possibly for 8 more.

I can’t sit by and allow that to happen - not again. It is one thing to dislike McCain, to prefer anyone (or almost anyone) to him...but it is quite another to be suffering from a bad case of MDS. Come on, we’re better than the kooks on the Left - AREN’T WE?


6 posted on 02/15/2008 10:10:45 AM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation trying to stop Monica's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife from becoming President)
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To: Ancesthntr
Come on, we’re better than the kooks on the Left - AREN’T WE?

You mean better than the perrenially courted and never delivered to black caucus?

7 posted on 02/15/2008 10:14:56 AM PST by MortMan (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything. - Alexander Hamilton)
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To: meandog
How odd that, far less than it accepts Reagan disciple McCain...

Like Judas was Jesus' disciple.

8 posted on 02/15/2008 10:15:33 AM PST by mikeus_maximus ('92, '96', '00', '06: The GOP didn't listen, they're not listening still... perhaps they never will.)
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To: Ancesthntr
What all of us have to decide is whether we love our country more than we hate McCain. I really, really dislike him, both for his backstabbing politics and his cozying up to Dems (and, of them, generally the most liberal).

That is exactly why we can not vote for McAmnesty.

He will grant Amnesty to 20-40 million+ Illegal Aliens who will vote Democrat by 65% or more and that coupled with the unfettered chain-migration (that will add millions more Democrat voters) that McAmnesty will not fight will give the Democrats an unbeatable electorate vote for decades to come. The spineless GOP members in the House and Senate will fall in line and will not buck their President.

This will utterly destroy MY country.

This will completely alienate conservatives and YOUR GOP will then be a mere shell of itself and WILL end up finally going the way of the WHIG party.

At least with a DEM President, the GOP will magically grow a spine and we have a better chance of gridlock and slowing down a whole host of evil things.
9 posted on 02/15/2008 10:16:41 AM PST by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: Digital Sniper

Digital Sniper: “No “Reagan disciple” opposes tax cuts.”

According to McCain, he now claims he opposed the tax cuts because they weren’t combined with reductions in spending. Back when he initially opposed the tax cuts, he made statements to the effect that the cuts favored the rich. I could possibly support the former but not the latter. I don’t believe in class warfare.

As far as reductions in spending go, is there any evidence, other than resistance to earmarks, that McCain is a fiscal conservative? For example, he did oppose the prescription drug benefit. Do you know of any other way he’s tried to cut spending?


10 posted on 02/15/2008 10:20:39 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Member of CRAM - Conservative Resigned to Accept McCain)
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To: meandog

What is the “hard right,” the only Republicans that still have testosterone? I don’t know, but as a (quote) conservative (unquote), to quote McCain, I can say without hesitation that more insults added onto the insults he has already thrown our way won’t embarrass me into voting for him. They will energize me to work against him, even though I’m inclined to let him lose in peace.


11 posted on 02/15/2008 10:21:33 AM PST by pallis
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To: SoConPubbie
At least with a DEM President, the GOP will magically grow a spine and we have a better chance of gridlock and slowing down a whole host of evil things.

Don't count on it. Besides, with a Dem President, you have every judge and Justice picked by a hard, hard Leftie ideolog, control of the military and of foreign policy in the hands of the same, higher taxes, socialized medicine, etc. Oh, and if you think that he'll push for amnesty, then you also have to believe that they will.

McCain can't be worse. He'll likely not be good about 90% of the time, but he can't be worse. I'd rather have someone who is correct at least some of the time than none of the time. A lot depends on his Veep choice. If he screws it up with another amnesty-lover or other liberal RINO, or Condi, then it is all over.

12 posted on 02/15/2008 10:25:45 AM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation trying to stop Monica's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife from becoming President)
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To: Ancesthntr

I don’t think the pinch-your-nose-and-vote strategy is a very good one. Our country was founded on principles and ever since then, power hungry people have slowly been eroding those principles. This country truly needs an over haul. McCain is not the man for the job. Obama is not. Hillary.....lol....yeah, ‘nough said. Nothing short of an over haul will fix this country. Voting for McCain might slow the destructive process by a little bit, but in the end, its all the same unless the American people get their heads’ out of their a$$es, grow some balls and realize that having Big Brother watching you isn’t such a great idea.

So, we can vote for McCain so Hitlery or Obama don’t get it, but is it really going to change anything? If America wants it, she doesn’t have to settle for the lesser of the evils.


13 posted on 02/15/2008 10:25:46 AM PST by Tiemieshooz
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To: Ancesthntr
either of the other 2 will be an utter disaster

But unlike McCain they carry the Democrat label which will take the hit for any disasters. If Hillary is their nominee we should send money to McCain to put up a fight. If it's Obama, McCain is on his own. The leftists believe the world will be one big happy place if the USA refuses to meet aggression with aggression. Let them test their hypothesis. It's the only way to prove them wrong and move on.

14 posted on 02/15/2008 10:27:19 AM PST by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: Tiemieshooz
So, we can vote for McCain so Hitlery or Obama don’t get it, but is it really going to change anything? If America wants it, she doesn’t have to settle for the lesser of the evils.

What other choice is there this November. Stay home? If you do, you don't have a right to complain about anything. Vote 3rd Party? You might as well piss into a tornado - no one is listening.

15 posted on 02/15/2008 10:28:07 AM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation trying to stop Monica's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife from becoming President)
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To: meandog

Unfortunately...under these circumstances, the most patriotic choice , for America, is to go pull the McCain lever.....and then spend a LOT of free time holding his and the Pubbies nose to the wall. The amnesty bill defeat showed we CAN do that.


16 posted on 02/15/2008 10:28:21 AM PST by mo
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To: Reeses
But unlike McCain they carry the Democrat label which will take the hit for any disasters. If Hillary is their nominee we should send money to McCain to put up a fight. If it's Obama, McCain is on his own. The leftists believe the world will be one big happy place if the USA refuses to meet aggression with aggression. Let them test their hypothesis. It's the only way to prove them wrong and move on.

If you ask me, it is more responsible to try to avoid such disasters in the first place, instead of looking for someone or some party on which to pin the blame. This is particularly true of foreign/defense policy. At least McCain knows that we're in a war, and he's not afraid to kill terrorists. I don't want to see a mushroom cloud over 1 or 5 or 10 of our cities and be able to say, "See, its all the fault of the Dems!"

17 posted on 02/15/2008 10:31:22 AM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation trying to stop Monica's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife from becoming President)
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To: mo
Unfortunately...under these circumstances, the most patriotic choice , for America, is to go pull the McCain lever.....and then spend a LOT of free time holding his and the Pubbies nose to the wall.

You forget that "Maverick" McCain doesn't give a crap what we think. We could try to reign him in all we want, and he'll just do what he wants anyway. After all, in the RINO line of reasoning, "who else ya gonna vote for, plebian?"

18 posted on 02/15/2008 10:33:21 AM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: Ancesthntr

I think that I’ve read hundreds of your posts over the years (I lurked long before signing up) and I think that this is the first time that I’ve ever disagreed.

I admit that none of our options are good, but I don’t think that voting for the worst (so called) Republican is going to net us much more than the worst Dems.

Would you marry a woman who cheated on you constantly just because she promised that be ‘better’ if you marry her? Better doesn’t mean good.

I’d rather fight the known enemy than go along with a supposed friend with a history as bad as McCain’s.


19 posted on 02/15/2008 10:33:24 AM PST by Harvey105
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To: Ancesthntr

Voting is my right and I’ll excercise it, but I won’t vote for somebody that will backstab me. I’ll have no right to complain after that. I would vote 3rd party out of principle. So what if no one listens. At least I voted my conscience.


20 posted on 02/15/2008 10:33:32 AM PST by Tiemieshooz
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To: Ancesthntr
At least McCain knows that we're in a war, and he's not afraid to kill terrorists.

You forget that McCain wants to close Gitmo, give terrorists the same rights as Americans, and abolish the most effective interrogation tools our side has.

And let's not forget that McCain wants to grant blanket amnesty to tens of millions of foreign invaders already in our nation. What kind of "support" to our troops is it when McCain sells out our nation to La Raza racists who rape, murder and steal from our troops' families?

21 posted on 02/15/2008 10:35:07 AM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: CitizenUSA
As far as reductions in spending go, is there any evidence, other than resistance to earmarks, that McCain is a fiscal conservative?

Considering that McCain wants to extend Social Security and Medicare benefits to illegal aliens, I'd have to say that's a resounding NO.

22 posted on 02/15/2008 10:37:26 AM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: Harvey105
Would you marry a woman who cheated on you constantly just because she promised that be ‘better’ if you marry her? Better doesn’t mean good.

But in this case you HAVE to get married - there's NO CHOICE. Choose one from Column A or one from Column B - or they'll duke it out with the winner showing up in your bed next January.

23 posted on 02/15/2008 10:40:26 AM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation trying to stop Monica's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife from becoming President)
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To: Tiemieshooz
Voting is my right and I’ll excercise it, but I won’t vote for somebody that will backstab me. I’ll have no right to complain after that. I would vote 3rd party out of principle. So what if no one listens. At least I voted my conscience.

You, and virtually everyone else on FR, have the right to vote for whomever you'd like, or to stay home. But if enough people think as you do and act as you say you will, then you had better get used to Hillary or Obama in the WH for at least 4 years, and more likely 8.

As I said earlier - decide whether you love your country more than you hate John McCain.

24 posted on 02/15/2008 10:43:18 AM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation trying to stop Monica's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife from becoming President)
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To: Tiemieshooz
I don’t think the pinch-your-nose-and-vote strategy is a very good one.

I don't either.
That's the strategy of every Presidential election since President Reagan stepped down and look where its gotten us.

Keep holding your nose folks. Sooner, or later, you will be voting on the "looks" of a candidate and nothing else because everything else will be the same.

25 posted on 02/15/2008 10:44:19 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Digital Sniper

The Reagan disciple voted against the 1986 amnesty bill.


26 posted on 02/15/2008 10:44:39 AM PST by kabar
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To: Digital Sniper
You forget that McCain wants to close Gitmo, give terrorists the same rights as Americans, and abolish the most effective interrogation tools our side has.

McCain won't pull out of Iraq, thereby wasting the lives of over 3,000 of our soldiers and the many hundreds of billions we spent there, much less sending a Vietnam-like signal that we can be pushed around.

And let's not forget that McCain wants to grant blanket amnesty to tens of millions of foreign invaders already in our nation. What kind of "support" to our troops is it when McCain sells out our nation to La Raza racists who rape, murder and steal from our troops' families?

Will Hillary or Obama be better on that issue?

27 posted on 02/15/2008 10:46:10 AM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation trying to stop Monica's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife from becoming President)
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To: SoConPubbie

At least with a DEM President, the GOP will magically grow a spine and we have a better chance of gridlock and slowing down a whole host of evil things.
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you believe in magic...that’s the problem. Reality: if dems win, there won’t be much of a country left


28 posted on 02/15/2008 10:47:31 AM PST by ari-freedom (True conservatives don't help Democrats win.)
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To: meandog

Neither Huckafeller nor McVain is conservative, or honest.


29 posted on 02/15/2008 10:47:34 AM PST by TBP
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To: Ancesthntr

As I have hinted before, I really don’t see a difference between McCain and Hillary/Obama. Voting for either one of them will bring us closer to the Socialist States of America.


30 posted on 02/15/2008 10:47:34 AM PST by Tiemieshooz
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To: Just another Joe
That's the strategy of every Presidential election since President Reagan stepped down and look where its gotten us.

As bad as Bush 41 was, would Dukakis have been better? WAS Clinton better?

Bush 43 vs. either Gore or Kerry is a similarly easy choice for me.

I didn't like ANY of those choices - but the alternatives were worse, FAR worse.

31 posted on 02/15/2008 10:48:43 AM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation trying to stop Monica's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife from becoming President)
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To: Ancesthntr
McCain won't pull out of Iraq

Yet you dodge his selling out our nation to foreign invaders. Win Iraq, lose America. Some choice.

Will Hillary or Obama be better on that issue?

Thank you for finally conceding that McCain is no better than those other liberals.

32 posted on 02/15/2008 10:50:33 AM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: Tiemieshooz
As I have hinted before, I really don’t see a difference between McCain and Hillary/Obama. Voting for either one of them will bring us closer to the Socialist States of America.

Hillabama will bring us closer, faster. I'd like to have something left to salvage after the next 4 years. I also don't expect McCain to run in 2012, even if he lives that long. His Veep will have the leg up on everyone, so that choice is critical.

If McAmnesty chooses Rice or some other RINO, I may also stay home - there will truly be no hope then.

33 posted on 02/15/2008 10:51:56 AM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation trying to stop Monica's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife from becoming President)
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To: Tiemieshooz
I have the moral luxury of having no effective vote for President because I am from Minnesota, and all the electoral college votes from here will go to the Democrat candidate, since Minnesota never votes Republican for President. Therefore, whether or not I vote for McCain is irrelevant.

I feel bad that you all may have a vote that counts. You really do have to work hard to figure out how to cast a vote when you have no dog in the fight.

34 posted on 02/15/2008 10:53:00 AM PST by LachlanMinnesota (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Digital Sniper
Yet you dodge his selling out our nation to foreign invaders. Win Iraq, lose America. Some choice.

Thank you for finally conceding that McCain is no better than those other liberals.

I don't dodge the issue. I think that Hillabama will be worse, far worse. They will not only open the nation wider to foreign economic/cultural invaders, but will leave us far more vulnerable to foreign nations that are hostile to us. To me the choice is very clear.

35 posted on 02/15/2008 10:54:13 AM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation trying to stop Monica's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife from becoming President)
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To: meandog

You reap what you sow. Should’ve voted for Fred.


36 posted on 02/15/2008 10:55:32 AM PST by Uncle Ivan (FredOn: Apply Directly to the White House)
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To: meandog
McCainiacs and the Win-At-Any-Cost crowd need to back down and accept one fact:

Many, many people just don't like McCain at all, and with great justification.
Everything doesn't boil down to ideology and politics.
To many conservatives their beliefs and moral philosophy trump winning a political contest.

McCain himself is easy to dislike and hard to like, or even to accept.
To me, at his best he is just a snarky, smug, arrogant, irritating, lying, traitorous slime-ball.

Camille Paglia hit the nail on the head with this observation:

"John McCain's courage under torture during the Vietnam War deserves everyone's gratitude and respect.
But as a national candidate, the stumpy, uptight McCain is a lemon.
Oy, that weaselly voice and those dated locutions and stilted intonations.
Who needs a weird old coot with a short fuse in the White House?
This isn't a smart game plan for the war on terror."

Personally I couldn't bring myself to like him if he was passing out free ice cream.
But That doesn't mean that he won't get votes from people that can't stand him.
Many will endure the stink and vote against the democrats by voting for McCain.

For McCainiacs and the Win-At-Any-Cost crowd to ask for our votes to stem the liberal tide is one thing.
To ask us to like McCain and to embrace him, his record and plans for America is quite another.

The constant whining about conservatives and the continuous effort to belittle the conservative movement and conservatives themselves just drives them further away and makes it less likely they will ever be able to bury their beliefs long enough to cast a vote for McCain.

November is a long way away.
The smart thing to do is shut down the Rhetoric.
McCain could win a lot of people over to support him if he did something significantly conservative as a Senator in that time.

I would bet that he doesn't.
I really believe he expects to get what he wants with empty words and promises.
It will not work this time.

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37 posted on 02/15/2008 10:58:38 AM PST by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: meandog

I’m not voting for McQueeg. I won’t be frightened into it, no matter how hard you try.


38 posted on 02/15/2008 11:02:02 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Don't trust anyone who canít take a joke. [Congressman BillyBob])
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To: Ancesthntr

I suppose that my analogy was not as good as I first thought, but to follow through — I’m joining the priesthood and cannot marry. LOL

I just think that electing a bad pubbie continues to lower the standard and takes us further away from our ideals. A pubbie that acts like a dem — to any degree — says that their ideas are worthy of support and they are not.

I’ve heard many arguments for supporting McCain, but they all amount to putting lipstick on a pig. It’s a waste of lipstick and the pig is still a pig.


39 posted on 02/15/2008 11:02:11 AM PST by Harvey105
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To: kabar

“The Reagan disciple voted against the 1986 amnesty bill.”

But we have seen the disastrous effects of the bill. Why hasn’t McCain? Is he stupid or evil?

Is there a good answer?


40 posted on 02/15/2008 11:05:13 AM PST by Harvey105
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To: Harvey105

He is a panderer. Also, this former chair of the Commerce committee, is bought and paid for by corporate interests. Follow the money.


41 posted on 02/15/2008 11:07:36 AM PST by kabar
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To: Cyber Liberty
I’m not voting for McQueeg. I won’t be frightened into it, no matter how hard you try.

I know: "McCain, the arrogant pr*ck..." I counted you out back in 2000, remember.

42 posted on 02/15/2008 11:07:57 AM PST by meandog (Please pray for future President McCain--day minus 325 and counting! Stay home and get Hillary!)
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To: kabar

Thanks for your comments. I think that I misread your other post. I thought that you were defending McCain.


43 posted on 02/15/2008 11:11:50 AM PST by Harvey105
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To: meandog
How odd that, far less than it accepts Reagan disciple McCain

Ancient history, meandog. He's currently the 3rd most liberal Republican in the Senate.

If you would be happy voting for Lincoln Chaffee, then you should be happy having John McCain... Are you happy, Dog ?! Does it make you go bow wow!?!

Maybe he's the lesser of 2 evils, maybe Hitlery would be easier to manage and control. Who knows?

44 posted on 02/15/2008 11:12:38 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: Ancesthntr
I don't want to see a mushroom cloud over 1 or 5 or 10 of our cities and be able to say, "See, its all the fault of the Dems!"

That all depends on which cities. (just kidding) I will probably begrudgingly vote for McCain but I'm not putting up much of a fight for him to win unless he's up against Hillary. If he's up against Obama the conservative return on investment is not there.

45 posted on 02/15/2008 11:13:24 AM PST by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: Cyber Liberty; All
I would just have one question to ask of you and all the rest of those who cannot stomach McCain and, that is, do you really believe a pure conservative could win the election after eight years of the Bush administration?

I ask that, because I do not believe that one could even manage more than 3-to-5 states as the moderate independents and conservative democrats (basically the major part of the electorate) would run the other way screaming; and I believe the proof is borne out in the numbers of people just voting for democrats in the current primary.

46 posted on 02/15/2008 11:15:22 AM PST by meandog (Please pray for future President McCain--day minus 325 and counting! Stay home and get Hillary!)
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To: Ancesthntr
And every time we have moved farther and farther to the left. X41 GHW Bush, Dole, current GW Bush, now McCain, and one sitting President lost.
When does it stop? When there's no difference?
47 posted on 02/15/2008 11:17:02 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Nonstatist
If you would be happy voting for Lincoln Chaffee, then you should be happy having John McCain... Are you happy, Dog ?! Does it make you go bow wow!?! Maybe he's the lesser of 2 evils...

Well, I will that the lesser of the THREE evils (McCain, Obama, Hillary) over the EVIL (Hillary and Obama) of the three lessers any day of the week.

48 posted on 02/15/2008 11:19:34 AM PST by meandog (Please pray for future President McCain--day minus 324 and counting! Stay home and get Hillary!)
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To: Just another Joe
When does it stop? When there's no difference?

It stops when you get a hard Left tyrant-wannabee who's not afraid to use power to stay in power.

49 posted on 02/15/2008 11:21:13 AM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation trying to stop Monica's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife from becoming President)
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To: meandog

>Liberal? In this party?

Yes. In this party. Get over it. Liberal with a big “L.”

As in Snow, Chaffee and
McCain/Kennedy.

Liberal.


50 posted on 02/15/2008 11:25:18 AM PST by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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