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straight Talk about McCain and the Hard Right
Cagle Post ^ | 2//14/08 | ross mackenzie

Posted on 02/15/2008 9:59:22 AM PST by meandog

With Tsunami Tuesday now history, where do things stand in the Republican nomination race?

At this point we can’t know the winner absolutely but — far more than in the Democratic race — we can see clearly the shape of things to come. The Republican nominee is going to be John McCain.

I can’t vote for him. He’s just so, you know,liberal.

Liberal? In this party?

James Dobson can’t stand him. Sean Hannity wants Romney. Huckabee is solid. Strict libertarian Reason mag has run an article headlined: "Be afraid of President McCain: The frightening mind of an authoritarian maverick." Ann Coulter says if McCain wins the nomination she’ll campaign for Hillary. Rush —

How odd that, far less than it accepts Reagan disciple McCain, the hard right accepts the conservatism of Romney, who came to many of his most adamant positions along about yesterday. It’s impossible to know Romney’s true principles and convictions on any major issue. On health care and judicial appointments, his records as governor of Massachusetts waft somewhere between marginal and dubious.

And Huckabee, though frequently sound, holds statist positions to match the ones the ideologues think they perceive in McCain. Moreover, Huckabee clearly is a regional candidate who has carried not a single Republican primary (his Iowa win was in caucuses) outside the South.

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KEYWORDS: 2008; conservatives; liberal; liberalvalues; mackenzie; mccain; mccainmackenzie; rino
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To: Ancesthntr
At least McCain knows that we're in a war, and he's not afraid to kill terrorists.

You forget that McCain wants to close Gitmo, give terrorists the same rights as Americans, and abolish the most effective interrogation tools our side has.

And let's not forget that McCain wants to grant blanket amnesty to tens of millions of foreign invaders already in our nation. What kind of "support" to our troops is it when McCain sells out our nation to La Raza racists who rape, murder and steal from our troops' families?

21 posted on 02/15/2008 10:35:07 AM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: CitizenUSA
As far as reductions in spending go, is there any evidence, other than resistance to earmarks, that McCain is a fiscal conservative?

Considering that McCain wants to extend Social Security and Medicare benefits to illegal aliens, I'd have to say that's a resounding NO.

22 posted on 02/15/2008 10:37:26 AM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: Harvey105
Would you marry a woman who cheated on you constantly just because she promised that be ‘better’ if you marry her? Better doesn’t mean good.

But in this case you HAVE to get married - there's NO CHOICE. Choose one from Column A or one from Column B - or they'll duke it out with the winner showing up in your bed next January.

23 posted on 02/15/2008 10:40:26 AM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation trying to stop Monica's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife from becoming President)
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To: Tiemieshooz
Voting is my right and I’ll excercise it, but I won’t vote for somebody that will backstab me. I’ll have no right to complain after that. I would vote 3rd party out of principle. So what if no one listens. At least I voted my conscience.

You, and virtually everyone else on FR, have the right to vote for whomever you'd like, or to stay home. But if enough people think as you do and act as you say you will, then you had better get used to Hillary or Obama in the WH for at least 4 years, and more likely 8.

As I said earlier - decide whether you love your country more than you hate John McCain.

24 posted on 02/15/2008 10:43:18 AM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation trying to stop Monica's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife from becoming President)
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To: Tiemieshooz
I don’t think the pinch-your-nose-and-vote strategy is a very good one.

I don't either.
That's the strategy of every Presidential election since President Reagan stepped down and look where its gotten us.

Keep holding your nose folks. Sooner, or later, you will be voting on the "looks" of a candidate and nothing else because everything else will be the same.

25 posted on 02/15/2008 10:44:19 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Digital Sniper

The Reagan disciple voted against the 1986 amnesty bill.


26 posted on 02/15/2008 10:44:39 AM PST by kabar
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To: Digital Sniper
You forget that McCain wants to close Gitmo, give terrorists the same rights as Americans, and abolish the most effective interrogation tools our side has.

McCain won't pull out of Iraq, thereby wasting the lives of over 3,000 of our soldiers and the many hundreds of billions we spent there, much less sending a Vietnam-like signal that we can be pushed around.

And let's not forget that McCain wants to grant blanket amnesty to tens of millions of foreign invaders already in our nation. What kind of "support" to our troops is it when McCain sells out our nation to La Raza racists who rape, murder and steal from our troops' families?

Will Hillary or Obama be better on that issue?

27 posted on 02/15/2008 10:46:10 AM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation trying to stop Monica's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife from becoming President)
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To: SoConPubbie

At least with a DEM President, the GOP will magically grow a spine and we have a better chance of gridlock and slowing down a whole host of evil things.
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you believe in magic...that’s the problem. Reality: if dems win, there won’t be much of a country left


28 posted on 02/15/2008 10:47:31 AM PST by ari-freedom (True conservatives don't help Democrats win.)
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To: meandog

Neither Huckafeller nor McVain is conservative, or honest.


29 posted on 02/15/2008 10:47:34 AM PST by TBP
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To: Ancesthntr

As I have hinted before, I really don’t see a difference between McCain and Hillary/Obama. Voting for either one of them will bring us closer to the Socialist States of America.


30 posted on 02/15/2008 10:47:34 AM PST by Tiemieshooz
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To: Just another Joe
That's the strategy of every Presidential election since President Reagan stepped down and look where its gotten us.

As bad as Bush 41 was, would Dukakis have been better? WAS Clinton better?

Bush 43 vs. either Gore or Kerry is a similarly easy choice for me.

I didn't like ANY of those choices - but the alternatives were worse, FAR worse.

31 posted on 02/15/2008 10:48:43 AM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation trying to stop Monica's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife from becoming President)
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To: Ancesthntr
McCain won't pull out of Iraq

Yet you dodge his selling out our nation to foreign invaders. Win Iraq, lose America. Some choice.

Will Hillary or Obama be better on that issue?

Thank you for finally conceding that McCain is no better than those other liberals.

32 posted on 02/15/2008 10:50:33 AM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: Tiemieshooz
As I have hinted before, I really don’t see a difference between McCain and Hillary/Obama. Voting for either one of them will bring us closer to the Socialist States of America.

Hillabama will bring us closer, faster. I'd like to have something left to salvage after the next 4 years. I also don't expect McCain to run in 2012, even if he lives that long. His Veep will have the leg up on everyone, so that choice is critical.

If McAmnesty chooses Rice or some other RINO, I may also stay home - there will truly be no hope then.

33 posted on 02/15/2008 10:51:56 AM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation trying to stop Monica's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife from becoming President)
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To: Tiemieshooz
I have the moral luxury of having no effective vote for President because I am from Minnesota, and all the electoral college votes from here will go to the Democrat candidate, since Minnesota never votes Republican for President. Therefore, whether or not I vote for McCain is irrelevant.

I feel bad that you all may have a vote that counts. You really do have to work hard to figure out how to cast a vote when you have no dog in the fight.

34 posted on 02/15/2008 10:53:00 AM PST by LachlanMinnesota (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Digital Sniper
Yet you dodge his selling out our nation to foreign invaders. Win Iraq, lose America. Some choice.

Thank you for finally conceding that McCain is no better than those other liberals.

I don't dodge the issue. I think that Hillabama will be worse, far worse. They will not only open the nation wider to foreign economic/cultural invaders, but will leave us far more vulnerable to foreign nations that are hostile to us. To me the choice is very clear.

35 posted on 02/15/2008 10:54:13 AM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation trying to stop Monica's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife from becoming President)
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To: meandog

You reap what you sow. Should’ve voted for Fred.


36 posted on 02/15/2008 10:55:32 AM PST by Uncle Ivan (FredOn: Apply Directly to the White House)
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To: meandog
McCainiacs and the Win-At-Any-Cost crowd need to back down and accept one fact:

Many, many people just don't like McCain at all, and with great justification.
Everything doesn't boil down to ideology and politics.
To many conservatives their beliefs and moral philosophy trump winning a political contest.

McCain himself is easy to dislike and hard to like, or even to accept.
To me, at his best he is just a snarky, smug, arrogant, irritating, lying, traitorous slime-ball.

Camille Paglia hit the nail on the head with this observation:

"John McCain's courage under torture during the Vietnam War deserves everyone's gratitude and respect.
But as a national candidate, the stumpy, uptight McCain is a lemon.
Oy, that weaselly voice and those dated locutions and stilted intonations.
Who needs a weird old coot with a short fuse in the White House?
This isn't a smart game plan for the war on terror."

Personally I couldn't bring myself to like him if he was passing out free ice cream.
But That doesn't mean that he won't get votes from people that can't stand him.
Many will endure the stink and vote against the democrats by voting for McCain.

For McCainiacs and the Win-At-Any-Cost crowd to ask for our votes to stem the liberal tide is one thing.
To ask us to like McCain and to embrace him, his record and plans for America is quite another.

The constant whining about conservatives and the continuous effort to belittle the conservative movement and conservatives themselves just drives them further away and makes it less likely they will ever be able to bury their beliefs long enough to cast a vote for McCain.

November is a long way away.
The smart thing to do is shut down the Rhetoric.
McCain could win a lot of people over to support him if he did something significantly conservative as a Senator in that time.

I would bet that he doesn't.
I really believe he expects to get what he wants with empty words and promises.
It will not work this time.

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37 posted on 02/15/2008 10:58:38 AM PST by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: meandog

I’m not voting for McQueeg. I won’t be frightened into it, no matter how hard you try.


38 posted on 02/15/2008 11:02:02 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Don't trust anyone who can’t take a joke. [Congressman BillyBob])
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To: Ancesthntr

I suppose that my analogy was not as good as I first thought, but to follow through — I’m joining the priesthood and cannot marry. LOL

I just think that electing a bad pubbie continues to lower the standard and takes us further away from our ideals. A pubbie that acts like a dem — to any degree — says that their ideas are worthy of support and they are not.

I’ve heard many arguments for supporting McCain, but they all amount to putting lipstick on a pig. It’s a waste of lipstick and the pig is still a pig.


39 posted on 02/15/2008 11:02:11 AM PST by Harvey105
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To: kabar

“The Reagan disciple voted against the 1986 amnesty bill.”

But we have seen the disastrous effects of the bill. Why hasn’t McCain? Is he stupid or evil?

Is there a good answer?


40 posted on 02/15/2008 11:05:13 AM PST by Harvey105
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