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BOYCOTT BERKELEY (start of ping list;)
Drango | 2/16/08 | Drango

Posted on 02/16/2008 12:29:39 PM PST by Drango

I started to make a list of Berkeley firms to boycott. I don’t lightly believe that firms should pay the economic price for their city council views, but these firms are the enablers of one of the most repugnant regimes in our history and they unfortunately will be innocent casualties in the campaign. The city could not run without their tax dollars. Thus the boycott is on!

Obviously the German run Bayer, Berkeley’s largest corporate job source is a top choice. http://www.bayerus.com/communities/berkeley/index.html

http://www.jettonconstruction.com/

www.ddorn.com

http://techsafety.com/contactus.html

http://studiobfilms.com/index.html

www.techsoft3d.com

http://www.techsoft3d.com/company/team.html (see bio on Brook Aaron Seaton)

http://www.sightspeed.com/company/our-team

OK how does a boycott work in practice? Let’s use sightspeed as an example. First we dig for information. Here is what 10 minuets of hunting got me. What can others dig up? http://www.sightspeed.com/business/customers

dig, dig, dig… http://digitalmediaupdate.blogspot.com/2007/10/sightspeed-open-for-business-sightspeed.html

Peter D. Csathy email: pcsathy@sightspeed.com; CEO of SightSpeed Inc. (www.sightspeed.com); …. live ….., in sunny San Diego, California; …)

Second we email all the principals. A polite letter. State our case. Ask them to leave Berkeley. Repeat. CC to the Mayor, Chamber of Commerce and the press. We FIRMLY ask them to leave Berkeley. If there is no response we escalate. Email their customers. Escalate. Perhaps we put boots on the ground and picket.

Polite, dignified and steady pressure. Times 10. Times 100. If you are interested please bump this thread or Freepmail me. Eagles up.

A side note: I don’t believe snark or extremely hot rhetoric will achieve what we want. It’s fun to blow off steam here, real fun, but the economic boycott should be above that to achieve success. There are perhaps 100 other Berkeley firms that we need to email or call. From emailing Hilton and asking them to sell the Doubletree at the Berkeley marina, to asking associations not to have a meeting at HS Lordships http://www.hslordships.com/

Let's partner with MoveAmericaForward, GOE, HotAir, LGF and others. Who’s in?


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Announcements; US: California
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To: Drango
We ask everyone to try to separate the actions of the City Council and not harm the good, hard-working small business owners - most of whom do not live in Berkeley and therefore cannot vote in Berkeley.

In order for this boycott to work, it needs to be as near total as possible. Business owners do not need to live in the immediate Berkeley area in order to march, in very large numbers, on city hall, to hold demonstrations, to write letters to the editor, to organize support for new city council and mayoral candidates. To work for those candidates in upcoming elections. To call for the resignations of most of the current city council, and for the resignation of the Mayor, and any other city official responsible for this assault on our brave troops. To organize signature gathering for a recall of said Berkeley public officials............

The business owners and citizens of the Berkeley area will not do the above unless there is a tough, serious, effective boycott...............

201 posted on 02/20/2008 9:45:58 AM PST by AwesomePossum
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To: Melas
Let me get this straight. Cliff Bar is sponsoring the Marines, so you’re boycotting Cliff Bar because it’s headquartered in the wrong city? How freakin’ stupid can you be? You’re now boycotting people who are directly supporting the Marines!!!!!

You seem to be the one with a limited understanding...........Cliff Bar will not get off their butt and take action against the City of Berkeley unless they are poked with a sharp stick..........

202 posted on 02/20/2008 10:12:24 AM PST by AwesomePossum
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To: Drango
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203 posted on 02/20/2008 6:28:26 PM PST by davidlachnicht ("IF WE'RE ALL TO BE TARGETS, THEN WE ALL MUST BE SOLDIERS.")
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To: All

http://www.boycottberkeley.org

Log on and help stop that fascists..


204 posted on 02/20/2008 6:53:34 PM PST by BoycottBerkeley.org (info AT BoycottBerkeley.org)
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To: BoycottBerkeley.org

welcome!


205 posted on 02/20/2008 7:07:30 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: davidlachnicht

Very original!


206 posted on 02/20/2008 7:08:03 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: davidlachnicht

Nice work David! Very nice.

I especially like the “Not One Penny More STOP Funding” design.


207 posted on 02/20/2008 8:32:45 PM PST by USMC Brat (Set the example.)
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To: Melas; Bob J; 444Flyer; AwesomePossum
"I think you'd be shocked to find out that the majority of people who'll be affected by the boycott don't get to vote in Berkely." - Melas

"I think some people are misguided in attacking the business community (which they do because they are an easy target) as opposed to the real culprits, the City Council." - Bob J


I hear your voice of reason and I appreciate that you engaged my compassionate side.

Bob, you wrote a very thoughtful letter to the Berkeley Chamber of Commerce. I hope it is received with sincerity and will motivate the Chamber into a pro-active response. Please post any reply you may receive.

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"It is the Chamber’s job to be the pulse and mouthpiece of Berkeley’s businesses and they would be smart to get vocal and active on this issue and not just blow smoke." - 444Flyer

"Business owners do not need to live in the immediate Berkeley area in order to march, in very large numbers, on city hall, to hold demonstrations, to write letters to the editor, to organize support for new city council and mayoral candidates. ...etc et al" - AwesomePossum


As a small business owner in a major metropolitan area that encompasses two states, it's not surprising that I totally agree with Flyer and Possum. My small business is located in the neighboring state, just a few miles from my residence, and I'm a member of the Chamber of Commerce. I spoke with my CoC President today, who happens to be a retired Marine, about the Boycott Berkeley movement. Our views are very similar concerning the actions of the Berkeley City Council and how the Berkeley CoC should proceed.

The Berkeley CoC is the business owners representative and they have a responsibility to their members to address the Berkeley City Council on behalf of all business owners, regardless of membership status. (This recognizes that some businesses may not be members of the CoC but their interests should still be represented.) Silence from the business community is deafening and leads reasonable people to conclude they support the resolutions made by their City Council who, in my opinion, acted with careless disregard toward their residents and businesses.

My CoC President recommends that any meeting(s) between the Berkeley CoC and City Council should be made public through a press release. Whether or not business owners live/vote in Berkeley, anyone who is a major stake-holder (i.e. potential collateral damage) in the ensuing Boycott Berkeley movement should be very vociferous in denouncing the council's actions and insist that the council rescind all the controversial actions of 1/29/2008, and formally apologize to the Marine Corps, the City of Berkeley, and the nation at large.

Anything less than a total reversal of the City Council's anti-military actions and a heartfelt apology, in my opinion, will not sufficiently quell the growing national outrage.
208 posted on 02/20/2008 11:33:41 PM PST by USMC Brat (Set the example.)
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To: USMC Brat

You are absolutely correct. I think they are just hoping this will magically fade and go away (Berkeley thinking). Not so. BIG reality check!


209 posted on 02/20/2008 11:52:13 PM PST by 444Flyer (America's Warriors and Veterans, "I thank my God every time I remember you" (Philippians 1:3).)
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To: BoycottBerkeley.org
You might want to put a link to the ad In This Thread on your BoycottBerkeley.org website
210 posted on 02/21/2008 12:02:00 AM PST by Syncro
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To: Syncro

Here is another one if you wish to link to it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6VeLpMloUs

Debbie Lee addressing the Berkeley Council 2-12

Debbie Lee is a Gold Star Mother, which you may know.


211 posted on 02/21/2008 12:04:52 AM PST by Syncro
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To: USMC Brat
Anything less than a total reversal of the City Council's anti-military actions and a heartfelt apology, in my opinion, will not sufficiently quell the growing national outrage.

Hopefully correct.

I do think that the Mayor and the majority of the City Council Members could never muster up a "heartfelt apology" because their hearts just don't work like that.

I do believe if a large enough financial burden is placed upon them, they will fake a "heartfelt apology" after trying a few more times with half-hearted efforts to appease America, which will not work.

The other solution to get reversal of the City Council's anti-military actions and a heartfelt apology is if the city council has a nice turnover from a recall or Federal and State charges being pressed upon them and being removed for that reason. (What they would be, I don't know, but laws were broken by the Police and the Council IMO.)

212 posted on 02/21/2008 12:16:14 AM PST by Syncro
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To: Syncro

Thanks for the links Syncro.

Looking forward to watching MAF’s new tv ad on tv! We’lll see how long it takes after being released to media today.

Move America Forward Fights Berkeley Council
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMEWflz-L8I


213 posted on 02/21/2008 11:24:47 AM PST by USMC Brat (Set the example.)
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To: All

Excerpt from Feb 17 op-ed article http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/1916

Toledo Free Press is out of Line
Don’t Blame Us For Berkeley/Toledo Attacks Against Marines Say Businesses
by Warner Todd Huston

The Toledo Free Press also reported the moaning of Ted Garrett, CEO of the Berkeley Chamber of Commerce who said his office has been flooded with cancellations for the businesses in Berkeley since the City Council’s stupidity made national headlines.

Garrett said his staff has since been explaining to responders that the Berkeley chamber’s viewpoint is not the same as the city’s elected representatives.

“Unfortunately what’s happening is our businesses are being targeted as result of the city council’s actions,” Garrett said during a Feb. 12 phone conversation.

Garrett said several Berkeley restaurants and hotels received an “unprecedented” number of cancellations after the council’s Jan. 29 actions. Most callers and writers, he said, are blaming “everyone other than the person who’s responsible” for the incident.

“This couldn’t have come at a worse time,” Garrett said. “The economy is in the throes of a recession and this now just adds insult to injury.”

OK, it is true that the businesses in these two cities [Toledo and Berkeley] are hurting as a result of the disgusting actions against our soldiers by the two city governments. But, to a patriotic American, it would seem to be logical and just deserts for the denizens of those two places. Losing revenue and business is exactly the sort of retaliation that Americans specialize in when they find a business or city that violates good taste and patriotism. The power of the purse is a persuasive force as these whiny businessmen are discovering.


214 posted on 02/24/2008 12:38:35 PM PST by USMC Brat (Set the example.)
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To: Drango
I'm not sure if you've seen this , but it seems to be another hit on Berkeley
215 posted on 02/24/2008 1:57:05 PM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Even my tagline is sad....I can't stand ANY of the candidates!)
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To: Drango

Doing business in “this terrible economy”? Was that a stab at our current administraction? Am I living in a bubble, I’m just not seeing this horrible economy.


216 posted on 02/24/2008 1:59:22 PM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Even my tagline is sad....I can't stand ANY of the candidates!)
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To: USMC Brat

USMC Brat. Using the excerpt you just posted I may now have my letter for Mr. Garrett of the Berkeley Chamber of Commerce.

Mr. Garrett, representative of the businesses in the city of Berkeley, California.

Dear Sir,

I think you have the beginnings of a great speech for the next City Council meeting. Using you own words (which have been quoted in the press) and adding a few, you have a great argument to take before your city government.

“Council Members,citizens of the City of Berkeley and members of the press. Unfortunately what’s happening is our businesses are being targeted as result of the city council’s actions. Berkeley restaurants and hotels received an “unprecedented” number of cancellations after the council’s Jan. 29 actions. Most callers and writers, are blaming “everyone other than the person who’s responsible for the incident. This couldn’t come at a worse time. The economy is in the throes of a recession and this now just adds insult to injury.”

Then Mr. Garrett, you could request that the City Council, in the best interest of the community, make an complete retraction of any statements or actions they have made which came across as insulting or belittling to our fine men and women of the Marine Corps, and make a formal apology to them. Mr. Garrett, you might say something along the lines of, “The other option is to let the city and our businesses continue to suffer the consequences of these actions and have its’ reputation and future forever tarnished in the eyes of America.”

Mr. Garrett, these are only suggestions but your actions must speak as loud as your words if you are to properly represent the constituency of the Chamber of Commerce in Berkeley.

Sincerely,


217 posted on 02/24/2008 2:43:17 PM PST by 444Flyer ("Yes We Can!"-Disney's Bob the Builder "Yes We Can!"-Presidential hopeful Barack Obama)
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To: 444Flyer

Good job Flyer. Print & Send

My CoC President sent a letter to Roland Peterson, Chairman of the Board. He hasn’t said if he received a reply.

Hopefully the Berkeley CoC will address the City Council at their meeting this Tuesday evening. There’s no indication on the City Council posted agenda that there’s anything from the CoC at this time, but members can add things after the meeting is called to order.


218 posted on 02/24/2008 7:24:25 PM PST by USMC Brat (Set the example.)
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To: USMC Brat

It will be faxed and e-mailed in the morning. Let’s see if there is anyone in Berkeley who isn’t a coward (with the exception of our USMC that is, I’m so proud of them I could burst!).


219 posted on 02/24/2008 7:44:43 PM PST by 444Flyer ("Yes We Can!"-Disney's Bob the Builder "Yes We Can!"-Presidential hopeful Barack Obama)
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To: Drango
Thanks very much! I've been looking for a list like this.
220 posted on 02/24/2008 7:50:19 PM PST by Glenmerle
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To: 444Flyer

Please let us know if you get a reply.

I’m anxiously awaiting Tuesday’s Council meeting to see if they rescind all of their anti-military actions of Jan. 29.


221 posted on 02/25/2008 12:09:42 AM PST by USMC Brat (Set the example.)
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To: USMC Brat

I added a paragraph and sent it earlier today to Mr. Garrett. I will definately let you know if he replies.


222 posted on 02/25/2008 3:05:45 PM PST by 444Flyer ("Yes We Can!"-Disney's Bob the Builder "Yes We Can!"-Presidential "hopeful" Barack Obama)
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To: All

2/26/08 City Council Agenda
http://www.ci.berkeley.ca.us/ContentDisplay.aspx?id=13892

Unfortunately there is nothing listed regarding the Marine Corps/Code Pink issue. However, on the last page listed under “NOTICE CONERNING YOUR LEGAL RIGHTS” there are details to object to a decision by the City Council regarding a use permit.

I’m going to assume only a Berkeley resident can file an objection. This offers resident business owners, or the Chamber of Commerce, a procedural means to register thier complaint regarding the free use permits granted to Code Pink.

Hopefully someone here knows of someone in Berkeley who would be brave enough to challenge the City Council.


223 posted on 02/25/2008 10:37:48 PM PST by USMC Brat (Set the example.)
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To: All

RecruitMilitary Responds to Berkeley Marines Incident
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1975804/posts


224 posted on 02/27/2008 6:20:28 AM PST by USMC Brat (Set the example.)
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To: USMC Brat

Thank you for the link.

Any news on the Council meeting last night? Conveniently, I haven’t heard a peep back from Mr. Garrett of the C of C. I may follow up and say, “Haven’t heard back from you, did you have any thoughts on the letter I sent you?” The least they could do is send a polite “Thanks for your concern” which would be the professional thing to do, but we’re talking Berkeley here. My expectations of them are ground level low.


225 posted on 02/27/2008 9:06:29 PM PST by 444Flyer (Don't vote for Barry S.)
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To: All
There are some other avenues of attack which might help to produce results.

One: Urge every group that supports the troops to apply to the Berkeley City Council for its own reserved parking spot in front of the business of its choice (perhaps City Hall?). The precedent has been set; there can be no legitimate reason for denial of similar accommodations as have been granted to Code Pink. When enough reserved parking spaces are issued, there will be no customer parking. (And someone must be sure to fill those parking spaces.)

Two: Write the US Attorney and request that his office vigorously prosecute the members of the Berkeley City Council and Code Pink for their unlawful activities. Interfering with military recruitment has been a federal offense since World War I. The mayor and every other council member who participated in Code Pink's protests would be liable to prosecution for this offense. The ones who didn't personally participate may be liable for conspiracy to interfere with military recruitment.

In addition, if it is true that Medea Benjamin and Code Pink sent $600,000 (or any other sum) to families of terrorists in Iraq, they should be prosecuted for treason (providing aid and comfort to an enemy of the United States), for which the death penalty is authorized.

Three: In addition, IF the mayor is a retired Army captain, as his bio claims, he is subject to military jurisdiction so long as he draws military retired pay. In addition to the federal offenses mentioned above, Mayor Bates' conduct also makes him guilty of conduct unbecoming an officer, which is a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Ask the US Attorney to pass along a copy of your letter to the appropriate General Court Martial Convening Authority who would have jurisdiction over Mayor Bates, requesting that an Article 32 investigation be conducted to determine whether there is sufficient evidence to prosecute the Mayor in a military court, where forfeiture of his retired pay is among the possible punishments. THIS would be justice!

And if the Mayor is not a retired Army captain as his bio claims, he can be prosecuted for that, too!

Send your letters to:
Mr. Joseph Russoniello, U.S. Attorney
United States Attorney's Office
450 Golden Gate Avenue
11th Floor
San Francisco, CA 94102

or Fax to: (415) 436-7234

Perhaps someone who lives in the area could find out who the proper General Court-Martial convening authority (GCMCA) would be, and post his/her address here so letters could be addressed directly. One could be sent to the GCMCA for the Navy/Marine Corps, one to the Army GCMCA, and one to the Air Force GCMCA. The Army would probably be the appropriate one, but hopefully the others would forward letters they receive.

It's time for the Berkeley City Council to learn what Semper Fi means!
226 posted on 02/28/2008 3:37:27 PM PST by JAG2
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To: 444Flyer

The Berkeley Council meeting Tues night (2/26) did not include anything concerning the Marine OSO or the backlash from thier anit-military actions. They did approve the use of the Veteran’s Building for use by Veteran’s Groups, specifically the American Legion.

Here’s a link where you can access all of the Council meetings and agendas (with PDF links).
Berkeley City Council Video Page
http://www.ci.berkeley.ca.us/ContentDisplay.aspx?id=11706

My CoC President hasn’t received a reply from the Berkeley CoC either. I’m thoroughly amazed by their silence on the issue.

Of all the letters I’ve written to-date, I’ve not received one single reply... these include letters to my Congressman and Representatives, the FBI, the U.S. Federal Marshall and others.

I think you were right when you said Berkeley is hoping this will just fade away... perhaps that’s what D.C. wants to happen also.

It seems interest in this issue-thread has waned and that folks have moved on to a new issue, while this remains unresolved. In the meantime, I’ll keep checking in and keep doing what I can from here in middle America.


227 posted on 02/28/2008 8:30:27 PM PST by USMC Brat (Set the example.)
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To: JAG2

Fox News Channel covered this tonite somewhat. Berkeley is still an American city, and will be affected by free-will. Their facists views against America’s prime military arm will hurt business.


228 posted on 02/28/2008 8:36:15 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: JAG2

Thanks for some new ideas JAG.

“Interfering with military recruitment has been a federal offense since World War I.” - JAG2

Before I write to the U.S. Attorney can you provide the Law or Statute you refer to? I’d like to be accurate in my letter. The only law I’m able to find that may apply is the Smith Act (18 U.S.C.A. § 2384) which speaks to “sedition”, not treason. Clearly Code Pink and some members of the City Council are guilty of Sedition as defined (see http://www.answers.com/topic/sedition ).


229 posted on 02/28/2008 8:56:17 PM PST by USMC Brat (Set the example.)
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To: JAG2

Thank you. My fingers will be busy and typing tomorrow.

I have friends who are Marines and friends who were Marines and they have rubbed off on me too well to cave on this issue, besides, Ours are overseas taking it for us it’s the least we can do.

Berkeley needs to be made an example of, hopefully legally as well as financially.


230 posted on 02/28/2008 9:46:20 PM PST by 444Flyer (Don't vote for Badnews Barry)
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To: USMC Brat

Thanks for the update. Forward.:)


231 posted on 02/28/2008 9:49:15 PM PST by 444Flyer (Don't vote for Badnews Barry)
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To: All
The Boycott is having an impact! Keep up the pressure!

Berkeley businesses take hit from Marine protests
Hotels, theater, restaurants have seen cancellations, with hostility from opponents of military branch cited
By Kristin Bender and Doug Oakley
STAFF WRITERS
Article Launched: 02/27/2008 03:03:57 AM PST
http://origin.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_8377213

Even Ted Garrett with the Berkeley CoC weighed in with a statement, as he should!

On the Berkeley CoC website it states: "When the Berkeley Chamber of Commerce says it represents business interests, it means it is willing to represent you personally and business in general at City Hall and City Council meetings."

SO... Where the heck is the Chamber during Council meetings?! If my business was in Berkeley I'd be demanding that my Chamber address the Council publicly.
232 posted on 02/28/2008 10:07:30 PM PST by USMC Brat (Set the example.)
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To: USMC Brat
Thanks for asking for clarification, and wanting to be sure you have your ducks in a row before firing off your mouth. Sure wish more folks did that!

The original prohibition against interference with military recruitment was in the Espionage Act of 1917. Portions of that Act are still in effect today, but the particular part that dealt with military recruitment is not.

You're on the right track though, with your comments about sedition. The section you cited, 18 USC 2384, deals with seditious conspiracy, and makes it an offense for two or more persons to "conspire to . . . oppose by force the authority [of the United States], or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States." The question would be whether they did these things "by force," and how that term is interpreted.

There might also be a possibility of prosecution for violation of 18 USC 2383, which makes it an offense when someone "incites, ... assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto." Again, that would depend on whether the activities of Code Pink and the City Council rise to the level of a "rebellion or insurrection," as those terms are defined. Without doing any research, my guess is probably not.

The current prohibition against interference with military recruitment is contained in 18 USC 2388, which reads, "(a) Whoever, when the United States is at war, willfully . . . causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or willfully obstructs the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, to the injury of the service or the United States, or attempts to do so -- Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both." It also provides the same penalty for two or more persons conspiring to violate subsection (a).

The question would be whether the United States is "at war." Does that require an official declaration of war by Congress? Or is it sufficient that this conflict is being called, by the government, the Global War on Terror? Or the Iraq War? Or the War in Afghanistan?

These might be stretches, but could be used to start an investigation if anyone is inclined to do so. I don't know anything about the US Attorney in SFran and whether he would get interested in this case or not. Might depend on how many letters he gets from good citizens demanding that he take any and all action in his authority to prosecute these people to the fullest extent of the law. (Might also depend on his staffing levels and the case load of serious cases in the office at the present time.)

But it's worth a shot to let him know that there are a lot of Americans out there who don't approve of this conduct, who believe it violates our laws, and who want it prosecuted. Wouldn't hurt to mention that in your letters to Senators and Congressional representatives, too.

Here's an interesting tidbit I picked up in doing some research on UC Berkeley - Wikipedia says "The military has been and continues to be an integral part of UC Berkeley's history since the University's birth. In fact, military training [ROTC] was compulsory at the university from 1870 to 1962."

It also says, "In a poll conducted in 2005, 51% of Berkeley freshmen considered themselves liberal, 37% considered themselves moderate, and 12% identified as conservative."

Wow!
233 posted on 02/29/2008 4:25:45 AM PST by JAG2
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To: JAG2
Thank you for such great detail into what may be our next real option in addressing Berkeley City Council, and Code Pink and World Can't Wait in Federal court. 18 USC Sec. 2388 "Activities affecting armed forces during war" is a good place to start, and other sections of Title 18 USC may apply.

Certainly our Federal Justice Department knows well that the government has the authority to go after Berkeley City Council and the protestors, and I've questioned 'why haven't they?' I've questioned why hasn't the Federal Government stepped in at all? The U.S. Marine Corps cannot defend their little piece of real estate in Berkeley because it's the jurisdiction of the local government and the local law enforcement. However, it is within the jurisdiction of the U.S. Marshall to restore order and enforce the law since the Berkeley Police Department refuses to do so.

"The question would be whether the United States is "at war." Does that require an official declaration of war by Congress?" -- JAG2

I'm sure that's a debate civil and constitutional attorneys would love to argue! For all intents and purposes, the United States is engaged in war... even with the absence of a formal declaration of war. Anyone would have a hard time proving we are not at war. Congress knows all the diplomatic and economic implications of a declared war and we should all be thankful that they've not exercised their authority to declare war in the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq. Declared wars are between nations, we are not at war with the governments of Afghanistan or Iraq. WWII was the last time Congress made a formal Declaration of War against a nation. Since WWII Congress has authorized the United States to be engaged in extended military conflicts through Resolution(s), specifically because no country has committed an act of war against the United States.

This weekend I'll be composing letters to various federal recipients, some of whom I've already written to. This time, thanks to your insights, I'll have new ammo.

Semper Fi
234 posted on 02/29/2008 11:59:26 PM PST by USMC Brat (Set the example.)
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To: Drango
Red State

BOYCOTT BERKELEY....just Berkeley?

235 posted on 03/01/2008 12:08:06 AM PST by egginanest ( "Never interrupt me when I'm trying to interrupt you." -Winston Churchill-)
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To: USMC Brat
My pleasure.

I think it will be difficult to get any sort of prosecution for this activity, especially during an election year. But if there's enough of an outcry, I would think the US Atty would have to at least take a look.

It's very difficult to get anyone to prosecute treason, but if Medea Benjamin and Code Pink did in fact send money to the families of terrorists in Iraq, I think that would clearly be providing "aid and comfort" to enemies of the US.

The practical solutions are likely to meet with better results. I understand Code Pink does their "protests" on Tuesdays. Are they there the other days, too, or just Tuesdays? Perhaps we could have an "honor guard" assembled shoulder-to-shoulder, in front of the Recruiting Station early in the a.m. before CP shows up, to "keep the sidewalk clear" between the street and the door to the recruiting station and provide "safe passage" to anyone who'd like to enter the station? (Image of Patriot Guard Riders in my head.)

And it would give me a good chuckle to see "reserved parking spaces" all over Berkeley for our pro-troops groups!

As the owner of small businesses myself, I regret the negative economic impact the boycott will have on them as innocent bystanders. On the other hand, they need to be raising hell with the City Council themselves. If that doesn't work, they could vote with their feet and move their businesses out of Berkeley. May be cheaper than the lost business they could have as a result of the boycott.

Have a good weekend!
236 posted on 03/01/2008 1:01:36 AM PST by JAG2
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With this being an election year, I have to agree there's little chance of a prosecution. Maybe after Nov elections are over there'll be more interest in persuing litigation. We can HOPE.

I've read differing accounts about the $600K Medea Benjamin took to Fallujah. I'm inclined to believe older news accounts (2003-04) that Global Exchange donated $500K in medical supplies plus $100K in funds given to refugees. It would be easy enough to verify in their 501c3 reports... provided they documented it.

Code Pink is hosting protests most days each week. The City Council gave them free permits for 4 hours on Wednesdays, so anything outside that frame of time they'd need permits for.

I like the image of an "Honor Guard" posted on the sidewalk to keep the right-of-entry clear. Since it is a law that protesters are not supposed to block right-of-entry the Police should intervene. We've seen how effective Berkeley Law Enforcement is about that very issue, eh.

I've expressed my concern about the small-business owners, too. Being a small-business owner I visited with my CoC President (Marine-Ret) about Berkeley. He wrote a letter to the CoC President (I don't recall his name) and never got a reply. My letter to Berkeley CoC Mr. Garrett went unanswered also.

Today I talked to Councilmember Capitelli’s Administrative Asst. Didn’t get a lot accomplished though. She got a little defensive when I raised the $20K cost to taxpayers for each protest... Freedom of Speech. Yeah, riiight. I wrote some details in this thread.
237 posted on 03/04/2008 8:52:19 PM PST by USMC Brat (Set the example.)
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BUMP


238 posted on 03/26/2008 9:25:08 AM PDT by 60Gunner (Life begins AGAIN at 200 Joules.)
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