WHY THE FAIRTAX WON'T WORK

NCPA ^ | 2/15/2008 | NCAP staff

[mad_as_he$$]

Then why not fix the real problem instead of pushing the FT which only gives them more reasons to mess with the economy?

[lucysmom]

Sure it is. I'm sure that more support would be available if not for the special interest lobby groups, such as, CPA's, tax shelter groups, retail sales groups, etc.

One would think that if the FairTax were to bring all the benefits its supporters claim, the retail sales groups would lead the movement.

[lucysmom]

I think the actual number is more like 100,000+.

They won't be looking for work, they just get a new job title.

[lucysmom]

How many millions of dollars is spent by lobby groups for tax preparation firms, tax shelters, tax attorney's, Big Retail, etc. to ensure that the other 367 members oppose the bill?

Again, why would big retail oppose a bill that is supposed to bring them so many benefits? Good grief, they even get paid to collect and remit the tax.

[phil_will1]

“Q1: If the FairTax has ‘zero chance’ that congress would ever enact it, why do you anti-FairTaxers expend so much energy fighting it?”

Good luck getting an answer to that!

The SQLs say one thing and contradict themselves with their actions. So which should we believe, their words or their actions?

[phil_will1]

“Imagine the FairTax possibilities for a business like this

http://www.dinnersready.com/privateparties.aspx

Call the business a school, food becomes educational supplies, and voila, meal preparation is convenient, trouble and tax free.”

Oh yes, that would be real hard to crack down on. There are some real concerns about compliance and I think the FT would present a new set of enforcement challenges, but this is one of the weaker examples I have seen.

However, the two biggest laughers are still:
1. They’ll be smuggling real estate in across the borders!
2. Shopping centers will go dark while everyone is buying all their “stuff” off the back of semis parked in parking lots.

Yours has a way to go to rival those two IMHO.

[lewislynn]

Is FICA withholding 7.65% or 8.3%?

There you go showing your math ignorance again.

Does the word "withholding" have any meaning to you?

How is it you can "withhold" 7.65% or 8.3% and have them be the same amount Einstien?

Both the employer and employee halves total 15.3%...The employer half of FICA is exclusive, is the employer half 7.65% or 8.3%?

Get it?

[lewislynn]

So that’s a No?

Which part of "no" did you not understand?

[Mr. K]

"$1.00 for a quart of milk with a $0.30 sales tax comes out to $1.30. Now if you spend all of your income on milk, what percentage do you pay in taxes? .3/1.3=.23 or 23% The reason Fair Tax people would say the tax is 23% is because that is the best way to compare it to the income tax. 23% of what you spend on new products will go to the federal government. You are trying to compare apples to oranges. Apples to apples, the Fair Tax is 23%, apples to oranges its 30%.

Tramonto, you are missing his whole point. Sales tax as we normally see it is expressed as ADDED to the price. So comparing it to INCOME tax is comparing apples to ornages and is also why it seems like you are deceptlively trying to tell us the rate is only 23% when anyone who looks at $1 item selling for $1.30 immediately thinks.

Why do you insist on calling it 23%?

[Turret Gunner A20]

Obviously, 'work' was my first choice, but I think you are smart enough to figure out what was.

I guess you're wrong about that. I had thought that your first choice was lying and peswtering people -- but I see that was only half of it -- you combined that with whining to Jim Robinson and screaming for Mods to defend you from the consequences of your running off your nasty, vicious mouth.

You started the flame war with me a long time ago. I told you to get off my back right in the beginning; but you kept at it, so don't cry about it now, when I give some of your slop bucket crap right back to you, you sniveling sissie.

[xcamel]

Because it keeps you yaphappy puppies pounding on your keyboards just the prove the beauty of free speech — which is to make the identification of true fools so much easier.

[lucysmom]

There are some real concerns about compliance and I think the FT would present a new set of enforcement challenges, but this is one of the weaker examples I have seen.

I think it has some real possibilities. Back in the days when I was putting myself through school making jewelry, I needed a resale number to avoid paying the sales tax. Under the FairTax, all I'd need is a student ID.

[Turret Gunner A20]

And still, after millions of dollars spent, and years promoting the bill, every person I've ever brought the subject up with has never heard of the FairTax.

You should start assiciating with a better class of people.

(BTW, they think its a good idea - at 10%. When I tell them its 30% on everything, they just laugh.)

You should stop lying to them and tell them the trut, the WHOLE truth, and NOTHING BUT the truth.

It really does help.