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Machines 'to match man by 2029'
BBC ^ | Saturday, 16 February 2008, | Helen Briggs

Posted on 02/16/2008 8:36:14 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares

Machines will achieve human-level artificial intelligence by 2029, a leading US inventor has predicted. Humanity is on the brink of advances that will see tiny robots implanted in people's brains to make them more intelligent said engineer Ray Kurzweil.

He said machines and humans would eventually merge through devices implanted in the body to boost intelligence and health.

"It's really part of our civilisation," Mr Kurzweil said.

"But that's not going to be an alien invasion of intelligent machines to displace us."

Machines were already doing hundreds of things humans used to do, at human levels of intelligence or better, in many different areas, he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: ai; computers; kurzweil; raykurzweil; skynet
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1 posted on 02/16/2008 8:36:17 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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Obviously a smart scientist but too dumb to know what a human being is.


2 posted on 02/16/2008 8:37:48 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

“And one day, the Cylons decided to kill their masters....”


3 posted on 02/16/2008 8:39:15 PM PST by RandallFlagg (Satisfaction was my sin)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Just don’t upgrade all stealth bombers to drones and allow the machine to become self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time.


4 posted on 02/16/2008 8:39:42 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: RandallFlagg

Hey no fair you took usual line :)


5 posted on 02/16/2008 8:40:27 PM PST by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Kurzweil is an idiot.
If anything he predicts ever comes true, it will be an accident.


6 posted on 02/16/2008 8:40:59 PM PST by devere
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Microsoft: Putting the D in the BSOD.
7 posted on 02/16/2008 8:41:39 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Rattenschadenfreude: joy at a Democrat's pain, especially Hillary's pain caused by Obama.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Wouldn’t that make steroids rather moot, then?


8 posted on 02/16/2008 8:41:41 PM PST by TheRealDBear
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To: Names Ash Housewares

I dunno, after reading DU and some of the moonbat blogs, I think an average PC is as smart as some people today ;-) Actually, a four-function calculator is smarter than quite a few...


9 posted on 02/16/2008 8:41:54 PM PST by bigbob (2)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Super-terrorists?


10 posted on 02/16/2008 8:42:18 PM PST by Brian S. Fitzgerald ("We're going to drag that ship over the mountain.")
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Does he know the exact day and time in 2029 when this will happen? Seriously, Mr. Kurzweil is delusional on this subject. AI has advanced very little in the past 30 years, despite significant advances in computers. Look for computers to get ever faster, but only incrementally more “intelligent”.


11 posted on 02/16/2008 8:42:57 PM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Sure, on the day when Skynet becomes self-aware. A Terminator from the future will go back in time to save us, though.


12 posted on 02/16/2008 8:44:04 PM PST by FoxInSocks
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To: Names Ash Housewares

I remember Ray making similar predictions in 1950... nuclear power would cost one penny a day... air cars would get us to work and back... weather control would make all picnics sunny... meals would be in the form of a single pill... and science would do away with those pesky ants, too.


13 posted on 02/16/2008 8:44:48 PM PST by redpoll
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Yes, but they still won’t have a human spirit.


14 posted on 02/16/2008 8:45:33 PM PST by Cvengr (Fear sees the problem emotion never solves. Faith sees & accepts the solution, problem solved.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Machines will achieve human-level artificial intelligence by 2029,

That wasn't supposed to happen until the year 5555, Zager and Evans said so.

15 posted on 02/16/2008 8:45:55 PM PST by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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To: Names Ash Housewares

I remember reading in 1980 that by 1990 there would be artificial eye implants that would end blindness.


16 posted on 02/16/2008 8:46:13 PM PST by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Whatever you do, don't leave this in the knife drawer or gun safe!


17 posted on 02/16/2008 8:48:39 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Why not 2028?


18 posted on 02/16/2008 8:50:02 PM PST by stevem
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Believablity would sky rocket if he had said “around 2030 or so” rather than 2029.

Still wouldn’t believe it, but there would be less to make fun of.


19 posted on 02/16/2008 8:50:43 PM PST by Eaker (If illegal immigrants were so great for an economy; Mexico would be building a wall to keep them in)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

LOL, isn’t that the year he sends the terminator from in T2?


20 posted on 02/16/2008 8:54:34 PM PST by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

As a computer engineer with a background in expert systems/AI, in a word: doubtful.


21 posted on 02/16/2008 8:58:58 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Won’t we be dead from global warming by then....or, since the computers will be so smart by then, why don’t we wait and let them figure out how to solve the “crisis”.....


22 posted on 02/16/2008 8:59:57 PM PST by There You Go Again
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To: Eaker

Is the author the same guy that bought all those ‘dolls’ at ‘real doll’?


23 posted on 02/16/2008 9:00:13 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
...machines and humans would eventually merge through devices implanted in the body to boost intelligence...

Unintended consequences come to mind. Russian neuropsychologist, A. R. Luria, wrote The Mind of a Mnemonist, a clinical case study of a patient who forgot nothing. The man could not make the simplest of decisions.

24 posted on 02/16/2008 9:03:59 PM PST by Rudder
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To: MHGinTN

I have no idea, but i wouldn’t be surprised!


25 posted on 02/16/2008 9:04:33 PM PST by Eaker (If illegal immigrants were so great for an economy; Mexico would be building a wall to keep them in)
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To: D-fendr

Machines. Ah, sex without guilt at last.


26 posted on 02/16/2008 9:06:58 PM PST by pankot
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To: pankot
"Machines. Ah, sex without guilt at last."

Except the female sex models will all look like this after the Mohammadans take over.

27 posted on 02/16/2008 9:13:31 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: Names Ash Housewares
The original novel "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" was based on robots instead of genetic clones.
28 posted on 02/16/2008 9:23:56 PM PST by Perdogg (Vice President Richard B Cheney - A National Treasure)
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To: redpoll

How is that possible? Ray Kurzweil was born in 1948.


29 posted on 02/16/2008 9:36:37 PM PST by gopherbot
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To: devere
Kurzweil is an idiot. If anything he predicts ever comes true, it will be an accident.

He's no idiot. He has a good track record as a futurist.

He could be wrong about the year, but I expect he'll be proven right eventually.

30 posted on 02/16/2008 9:47:28 PM PST by HAL9000
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To: Names Ash Housewares; D-fendr

That is so 1950 SciFi stuff!

I like it though.


31 posted on 02/16/2008 9:52:18 PM PST by valkyry1
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To: HAL9000

“He’s no idiot. He has a good track record as a futurist.”

I read one of his books and formed my own opinion!


32 posted on 02/16/2008 9:54:11 PM PST by devere
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To: devere

I read one of his books too. It had some useful information that I was able to use to my financial advantage.


33 posted on 02/16/2008 9:57:00 PM PST by HAL9000
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To: redpoll

If not for green politics, nuclear power may well cost a person a penny a day by now. sadly, we’ll never know.


34 posted on 02/16/2008 9:59:17 PM PST by -=SoylentSquirrel=-
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Well, as long as the healine doesn't read: Machines 'to serve man by 2029'...
35 posted on 02/16/2008 10:00:43 PM PST by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. In fact, I'm enjoying every minute of it.)
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To: HAL9000; devere
It had some useful information that I was able to use to my financial advantage.

I'll bet the financial advantage was to save $29.95.

36 posted on 02/16/2008 10:09:17 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Sure. Right after they finally get IVR to actually work (interactive voice recognition).


37 posted on 02/16/2008 10:55:48 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Names Ash Housewares
I suspect that the same doubts and concerns were expressed as machines became stronger than men, or even than oxen.

At each step in the evolution of technology, we gain a more refined understanding of what still distinguishes us from our toys.

I have little doubt that "by 2029", by some metrics, machines will match or surpass human intelligence. Indeed, that happened at least by World War II, when it was quicker to calculate artillery tables using computers than using humans.

Similarly, I have little doubt that some forms of Artificial Intelligence will be just as retarted in 2029 as when I studied them three decades ago ;).

And just as I use all manner of mechanical assists now, such as the Internet to "talk" to thousands of people, thousands of miles away, to mention one of a gazillion examples, similarly I expect to use more intelligence aids, more intimately entwined in my body, as time goes on. Who would have anticipated pace makers or cataract lenses or artificial hips or ... a few centuries ago. Not even the great Leonardo da Vinci imagined since, though he did anticipate helicopters and submarines, as I recall.

I for one am having a blast riding this wave of technology, and find several of the responses above worthy of the Luddites of two hundred years ago.

38 posted on 02/17/2008 12:16:58 AM PST by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
The voice response unit of my bank (USAA) is now better than all but a few customer service centers I have the (dis)pleasure of calling. The conversation is easier, quicker, more accurate and more pleasant, for my American, albeit techno-geeky, tastes, than any India call center I've used, and better than most domestic call centers.

What I look forward to is the day that my non-techie relatives tell me how they like talking to the real people at some particular merchants call center, rather than the computers they get elsewhere, when unbeknownst to them, those 'real' people are just better computers.

39 posted on 02/17/2008 12:24:20 AM PST by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: FoxInSocks
The date keeps getting pushed back but it has to happen, otherwise you could never really resolve the paradoxes of the time travel.
40 posted on 02/17/2008 12:35:02 AM PST by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: ThePythonicCow

Mankind has a habit of making our imaginings reality.
2029 seems very early to me, but I wouldn’t be surprised if a “Mr. Data” is waiting for us in the future to invent him.
And I think that will be the case, a positive scenario, not one to be fearful of like a Hal 9000 or Skynet. (fun as it is to entertain our dark humours with them)
In a tiny fraction of a heartbeat of time, computers have leapt forward at an incredible rate. A.I. seems fantastic to some right now, it IS fantastic. But it is only a matter of time really at the rate things are going.

I only wonder though, will we recognize the moment when it’s happened?


41 posted on 02/17/2008 12:59:20 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: D-fendr; bigbob

well, no computer is truly smart, yet. They don’t think for themselves, just follow paths dictated. They can calculate very quickly though.


42 posted on 02/17/2008 1:14:55 AM PST by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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more likely, we’ll have more cybernetic implants — a memory chip in our brains so we never forget, maybe enhanced limbs. However, the Islamic world would still be left behind.


43 posted on 02/17/2008 1:16:35 AM PST by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Likely it is early for some of what he's predicting, at least outside of some lab, under special circumstances. Kurzweil's a master at turning trends into flashy predictions, power point slides and book sales. One of the tricks of that trade is over-specificity of near term dates, details and trends.

One has to carry around some rules of thumb in life, such as honey-do projects and software programs always take longer than projected, near term forecasts of revolutionary change always overshoot, and long term forecasts always undershoot.

In other words, we predict more rapid change in the near term than actually happens, but are quite unable to foresee the bigger long term sea changes that are occurring.

I guess the same thing happens at sea, though I'm a landlubber so wouldn't know. That next little wave looks like it could sink you, while that colossal one that rose up everything from here to the horizon passes unnoticed, until it washes ashore.

44 posted on 02/17/2008 1:16:57 AM PST by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: stevem
Why not 2028?

'cause that's a leap year. The 29th day in feb would drive the computers nuts -- it's not logicall......
45 posted on 02/17/2008 1:17:44 AM PST by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: Cronos
You've captured the history of two millenia of philosophy in that line. It's always "... yeah but humans are still unique in this remaining special way."
46 posted on 02/17/2008 1:20:38 AM PST by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

" To Serve And Obey, And Protect Man From Harm "

47 posted on 02/17/2008 1:22:25 AM PST by Drammach (Freedom - It's not just a job, It's an Adventure)
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To: ThePythonicCow; ProtectOurFreedom
The conversation is easier, quicker, more accurate and more pleasant, for my American, albeit techno-geeky, tastes, than any India call center I've used, and better than most domestic call centers.

I'll bet you have fantastic conversations in front of a mirror. I want to talk directly to the person who can solve my problem. The zero button is my favorite button.

P.S. I also do not like to have to hunt down a person when I just want my balance. The "genius" machine is just right for that information. It doen't even have to talk to me. I can read.

48 posted on 02/17/2008 6:43:13 AM PST by AndrewC
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To: Cronos

Yes, that’s why we call computers “high speed idiots.”


49 posted on 02/17/2008 8:02:12 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: AndrewC

My calls to any customer service are always for the exceptional items that no IVR could ever handle (at least not in the foreseeable future). I just continue to pound the zero key until they grudgingly hand me over me to the sole CSR left on-station. Unfortunately, I got one the other day that says zero is “not a valid selection”.

You are absolutely right about being able to read to get the mundane information. I never need to call the help line to get a balance.


50 posted on 02/17/2008 8:43:14 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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