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Recent cold snap helping Arctic sea ice, scientists find
CBC News ^ | February 15, 2008 | NA

Posted on 02/16/2008 10:26:17 PM PST by neverdem

There's an upside to the extreme cold temperatures northern Canadians have endured in the last few weeks: scientists say it's been helping winter sea ice grow across the Arctic, where the ice shrank to record-low levels last year.

Temperatures have stayed well in the -30s C and -40s C range since late January throughout the North, with the mercury dipping past -50 C in some areas.

Satellite images are showing that the cold spell is helping the sea ice expand in coverage by about 2 million square kilometres, compared to the average winter coverage in the previous three years.

"It's nice to know that the ice is recovering," Josefino Comiso, a senior research scientist with the Cryospheric Sciences Branch of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Centre in Maryland, told CBC News on Thursday.

"That means that maybe the perennial ice would not go down as low as last year."

Canadian scientists are also noticing growing ice coverage in most areas of the Arctic, including the southern Davis Strait and the Beaufort Sea.

"Clearly, we're seeing the ice coverage rebound back to more near normal coverage for this time of year," said Gilles Langis, a senior ice forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service in Ottawa.

Winter sea ice could keep expanding The cold is also making the ice thicker in some areas, compared to recorded thicknesses last year, Lagnis added.

"The ice is about 10 to 20 centimetres thicker than last year, so that's a significant increase," he said.

If temperatures remain cold this winter, Langis said winter sea ice coverage will continue to expand.

But he added that it's too soon to say what impact this winter will have on the Arctic summer sea ice, which reached its lowest coverage ever recorded in the summer of 2007.

That was because the thick multi-year ice pack that survives a summer melt has been decreasing in recent years, as well as moving further south. Langis said the ice pack is currently located about 130 kilometres from the Mackenzie Delta, about half the distance from where it was last year.

The polar regions are a concern to climate specialists studying global warming, since those regions are expected to feel the impact of climate change sooner and to a greater extent than other areas.

Sea ice in the Arctic helps keep those regions cool by reflecting sunlight that might otherwise be absorbed by darker ocean or land surfaces.


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; Russia; US: Alaska
KEYWORDS: agw; arctic; arcticseaice; climatechange; globalwarming; winter
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1 posted on 02/16/2008 10:26:22 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

That Algore’s been a busy man with his slide show...


2 posted on 02/16/2008 10:28:07 PM PST by JRios1968 ("If you go over a cliff with all flags flying, you are still going over a cliff" óRonald Reagan)
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To: neverdem

Um...it’s WINTER.


3 posted on 02/16/2008 10:28:43 PM PST by RockinRight (Supreme Court Justice Fred Thompson. The next best place for Fred.)
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To: RockinRight

Damn the logic...


4 posted on 02/16/2008 10:29:11 PM PST by JRios1968 ("If you go over a cliff with all flags flying, you are still going over a cliff" óRonald Reagan)
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To: neverdem
"Clearly, we're seeing the ice coverage rebound back to more near normal coverage for this time of year," said Gilles Langis, a senior ice forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service in Ottawa.

It's called Winter, Langis, you idiot!

5 posted on 02/16/2008 10:29:17 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: RockinRight
Um...it’s WINTER.

Get with the program. It's climate change nee global warming.

6 posted on 02/16/2008 10:31:38 PM PST by neverdem (I have to hope for a brokered GOP Convention. It can't get any worse.)
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To: neverdem
There's an upside to the extreme cold temperatures northern Canadians have endured in the last few weeks: scientists say it's been helping winter sea ice grow across the Arctic, where the ice shrank to record-low levels last year.

Who decides it's an upside? What if the residents there long to someday plant a citrus tree outside the house? Maybe have a longer baseball season?

Upside is in the eye of the beholder.

7 posted on 02/16/2008 10:34:52 PM PST by lawnguy (The wand chooses the wizard, Mr. Potter.)
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To: xcamel

Darn: Getting colder. In winter.

Ice freezing. Er, no. Water freezing. Ice not melting.


8 posted on 02/16/2008 10:35:25 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: neverdem
"Clearly, we're seeing the ice coverage rebound back to more near normal coverage for this time of year"

What is "normal"? Aren't these scientist aware of cyclical ice ages and interglacial periods?

9 posted on 02/16/2008 10:36:24 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie
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To: neverdem
Has anyone seen the insipid commercial from the World Wildlife Fund (?) with that actress from NYPD Blue?
The polar bears are dying because of global warming! Oh my God!!!!
No pictures of Polar Bears dying. No factual information to back up the claim. Just a smooth talking woman, some Polar Bear video and soft music.
Sounds kind of like the Obama campaign, except for the woman, the polar bears and the music. All that’s left is nothing.
10 posted on 02/16/2008 10:40:32 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Guns don't kill people, gun free zones kill people)
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To: neverdem

So many people are such worrywarts on the climate issue. I lived in tropical weather for quite a few years and don’t like it all. Dry cold and 40 degree (F) daily temperature variations are very nice.


11 posted on 02/16/2008 10:45:03 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: neverdem; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Normandy; TenthAmendmentChampion; Beowulf; FrPR

Global Warming Scam News & Views
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12 posted on 02/16/2008 10:47:05 PM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: neverdem

Winter! It’s not just for skiing anymore. =8^O


13 posted on 02/16/2008 10:49:45 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: neverdem
"Canadian scientists are also noticing growing ice coverage in most areas of the Arctic, including the southern Davis Strait and the Beaufort Sea."

Just Another Inconvenient Fact


14 posted on 02/16/2008 10:52:00 PM PST by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: neverdem
Ice is nice.

Do they ever get to the point in the article where they say why ice is nice?

From the part of the article posted, it seems they presume we all know and believe.

15 posted on 02/16/2008 10:52:22 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Rudder

This could actually be a bad sign....IIRC...we have record ice in the antarctic....wouldnt MORE ice be a sign of cooling?

Call me crazy...


16 posted on 02/16/2008 10:57:53 PM PST by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....)
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To: neverdem

These people are total dipshits. I never ever listen to a single thing someone has to tell me about global warming.

Useless hype for cash.


17 posted on 02/16/2008 11:04:36 PM PST by My Favorite Headache (Our memories remind us, Maybe road life's not so bad...)
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To: Rudder
Ice has become anthropomorphized. We hear:...Ice needs to “survive”.... we’re “losing” the ice cover....the ice cap is becoming extinct...

Unbelievable nonsense.

18 posted on 02/16/2008 11:04:40 PM PST by WL-law
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To: neverdem
Recent cold snap helping Arctic sea ice, scientists find

Translation...recent findings by scientists who do not have an anti-American bias and agenda are making it harder for us to get into the wallets of American tax payers. The attempts at limiting free speech and thought are becoming increasingly more difficult. It will benefit us at this time, to wait till the Liberal Democratic Party gains control of the United States Government.

19 posted on 02/16/2008 11:06:24 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Crim
I think "cooling" is not a politically correct word.

(I live where the glaciers ended in N. America during the last (current) ice age. Glaciers can do a whole lot of damage---besides they're cold as hell.)

Send your money to Al Gore.

20 posted on 02/16/2008 11:08:20 PM PST by Rudder
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To: neverdem
"It's nice to know that the ice is recovering," Josefino Comiso, a senior research scientist with the Cryospheric Sciences Branch of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Centre in Maryland, told CBC News on Thursday.

Nothing like a gubmint hack who works for NASA on your dime and does not recognize that the Universe is not static, and that Earth on that scale is not big enough to be recognized as a speck of errant dust, and this nitwit is talking about a piece of ice.

21 posted on 02/16/2008 11:11:10 PM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: WL-law

SAVE THE ICE!

Save the whales is so last year...


22 posted on 02/16/2008 11:26:29 PM PST by DB
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To: neverdem

Calling the Goron. Oh Al... Calling Al...


23 posted on 02/16/2008 11:38:33 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: neverdem
"Recent Cold Snap Helping Arctic Sea Ice, Scientists Find"

Well, D U H. Winter. Cold. Freeze. Hello?? Guess you don't have to be a rocket scientist to be a scientist any more.

24 posted on 02/16/2008 11:48:46 PM PST by redhead (VICTORY FIRST, THEN PEACE)
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To: RockinRight

What are you people, idiots? This WINTER has been much colder than the last several WINTERs and the sea ice has expanded this WINTER compared to previous WINTERS. Can’t you even follow that?


25 posted on 02/17/2008 12:10:24 AM PST by dr_lew
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Falsified Temperature Record in China Behind Al Gore's Climate Fraud (84 Temperature Stations)

Top psychiatrist concludes liberals are nuts!

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26 posted on 02/17/2008 12:56:55 AM PST by neverdem (I have to hope for a brokered GOP Convention. It can't get any worse.)
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To: neverdem
But according to Global Warming theory, once the ice melts enough the trapped artic waters move down into the warmer southern waters, shutting down the ocean currents, which in turn causes global cooling.

So really what they are saying is any type of weather proves global warming. But in reality it seems the earth has a way of keeping itself in check from getting too hot or too cold.

27 posted on 02/17/2008 12:58:39 AM PST by LukeL
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To: neverdem

Scientists find that cold causes ice to form. Amazing.


28 posted on 02/17/2008 1:26:53 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Scrape the bottom, vote for Rodham!)
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To: neverdem
Here’s what I want to know...
Global warming causes ice to melt, thus threatening Polar Bears with extinction, right?
That’s because the bears need ice to float around on.
And that’s because Polar Bears can only swim about 200 freakin’ miles in open ocean, right?

So, with ice melting, the Polar Bears feel threatened, and the result is their populations are... er... uh... well, they’re growing rapidly, ahem...
But it’s only because they feel threatened with extinction by the melting ice, right?

OK, so here’s my question:
Now that the ice is returning, and the Polar Bears can once again live the life of Riley, just floating around, and not having to swim after their dinners, will they now become fat and lazy, and stop breeding, because, hey, life is good again, right?

In other words, will the return of ice threaten Polar Bears with extinction?

29 posted on 02/17/2008 3:45:32 AM PST by BroJoeK (do you think I need a super-computer to figure all this out?)
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To: neverdem

30 posted on 02/17/2008 4:01:13 AM PST by jsh3180
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To: neverdem
"Recent cold snap"...

Read: Normal winter.

31 posted on 02/17/2008 4:11:57 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: JRios1968
Damn the logic...

In other news, naturalists in Yellowstone National Park have made stunning breakthroughs in studying the toilette habits of wild grizzlies.

32 posted on 02/17/2008 4:19:15 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Imagination is more important than knowledge - Einstein.)
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To: neverdem

Winter makes ice! News at 11!


33 posted on 02/17/2008 4:34:38 AM PST by steveyp
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Been watching the “Old Faithful” streaming video site and I noticed that NO bears are poopin’ anywhere near the geyser. But I see a lot of people gathered around watchin’...bears are smarter? Scientific observation.


34 posted on 02/17/2008 4:35:23 AM PST by junkman72 (just another day at the junkyard/time to buy another handgun(VA req.))
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To: neverdem

Two million square km ought to float a few polar bears. Someone call Algore and his disciples and tell them that the “crisis” is over. I’m sure he’ll write a sequel retracting the alarmist bs he’s been preaching. Now that would be a REALLY inconvenient truth!


35 posted on 02/17/2008 4:36:23 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: junkman72
Did you notice any arboreal vegetation in the vicinity of the geysers?
36 posted on 02/17/2008 4:43:23 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Action is eloquence. - Shakespeare)
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To: My Favorite Headache
The words "global warming" in a newspaper article is a guarantee that:

--the article is worthless trash

--the newspaper is total trash

--anyone who reads that newspaper is an idiot
37 posted on 02/17/2008 4:55:00 AM PST by cgbg (That heat you feel is not global warming. It is the wicked witch melting melting.)
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To: neverdem
"The ice is about 10 to 20 centimetres thicker than last year, so that's a significant increase," he said.

If he is refering to the entire arctic, 4-8 inches over zillions of square miles sounds like an incredible amount of new ice.
38 posted on 02/17/2008 5:07:37 AM PST by jjw
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To: neverdem
But he added that it's too soon to say what impact this winter will have on the Arctic summer sea ice, which reached its lowest coverage ever recorded in the summer of 2007.

And just how long has mankind had an accurate idea of the extent of the ice? I believe accuracy didn't arrive until we had satellite coverage which has only been in my life time. Prior to that, we might have had a couple of decades of aerial photography but this wasn't done over the entire Arctic so you can't measure what you don't see. Before that? Anecdotal recordings from various explorers.

My point is, they've only been measuring the totality of the sea ice for thirty years or so. Therefore, the fact that 2007 had the lowest level recorded means squat. Who can say what it was 100 years ago? What about during the Medieval Warm Period, when Vikings were grazing cattle and growing wheat in Greenland?

It's all hype and propaganda.

And they're trying to blame mankind, specifically the industrialized, capitalist West. You and me.

WE must give up our lifestyle for this melodramatic speculation.

39 posted on 02/17/2008 5:29:32 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: neverdem

It’s called winter. Happens every year.

Yeah, water freezes pretty well at temperatures like that. Just watch, come May, they’ll be in a tailspin about “global warming” melting the sea ice again.

Idiots.


40 posted on 02/17/2008 5:30:54 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: neverdem

How could this be. A seminary drop-out person said here was global warming.


41 posted on 02/17/2008 5:31:06 AM PST by chainsaw (Monica Lewinsky's ex-sex partner's wife for Pesident ?....No Muslim in the WH either.)
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To: neverdem
WarmMonger
42 posted on 02/17/2008 5:38:54 AM PST by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: dr_lew

What are you people, idiots? This WINTER has been much colder than the last several WINTERs and the sea ice has expanded this WINTER compared to previous WINTERS. Can’t you even follow that?

Sure, that is why we have global warming...isn’t it?


43 posted on 02/17/2008 5:40:25 AM PST by chainsaw (Monica Lewinsky's ex-sex partner's wife for Pesident ?....No Muslim in the WH either.)
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To: neverdem
Minus 30C to Minus 40C across the entire polar ice forming region of the Arctic over the past 30 days. This is the normal pattern of temps in the Arctic at this time of the year.

Of course, this has nothing to do with the fact that it is now winter in the Arctic and they are 5 months into the 6 months of darkness that happens every winter (which the global alarmers do not seem to ever take into account or do not understand apparently.)

The Ice will RETURN every winter when the sun goes down below the horizon on September 22 and the ice will start melting when the sun rises above the horizon on March 22 ever year.


44 posted on 02/17/2008 5:44:06 AM PST by JustDoItAlways
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To: LibFreeOrDie
"What is "normal"?"

I would argue that normal is when my ancestors grew wine grapes back on the "family farm" in Iceland.

45 posted on 02/17/2008 5:50:03 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Planting trees to offset carbon emissions is like drinking water to offset rising ocean levels)
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To: Grizzled Bear
"Clearly, we're seeing the ice coverage rebound back to more near normal coverage for this time of year," said Gilles Langis, a senior ice forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service in Ottawa.

If this guy is actually supposed to be a forecaster then I think the Canadian taxpayers are getting screwed. He should have seen this coming!

46 posted on 02/17/2008 6:12:53 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: neverdem
If temperatures remain cold this winter, Langis said winter sea ice coverage will continue to expand.

Whatever would we do without experts?

Cheers!

47 posted on 02/17/2008 6:15:30 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: RockinRight

Yeah, it’s winter and the climate is a DYNAMIC system.


48 posted on 02/17/2008 6:16:38 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name after Harper's election?)
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To: neverdem
The polar regions are a concern to climate specialists studying global warming, since those regions are expected to feel the impact of climate change sooner and to a greater extent than other areas.

You bet they're concerned since the "models" that they use are predicting further melting of the arctic ice and they have reputations and careers on the line. They need Global Warming. They have grown drunk from the Gore Kool-Aid and are counting on it. If the arctic ice pack continues to grow they might just be out of a job.

49 posted on 02/17/2008 6:24:04 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: jjw
If he is refering to the entire arctic, 4-8 inches over zillions of square miles sounds like an incredible amount of new ice.

Well, since the Arctic has less than 3% of the world's ice, the entire article is pretty irrelevant anyway.

The only relevance to Arctic ice is if it melts enough to allow year-round shipping.

Them's the facts.

50 posted on 02/17/2008 6:27:18 AM PST by American in Singapore (Bill Clinton: The Human Stain)
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