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Albanian Triumph, Serb Anger as Kosovo Secedes
The New York Times ^ | February 17, 2008 | N/A

Posted on 02/17/2008 3:03:48 AM PST by raybbr

PRISTINA (Reuters) - Kosovo Albanians will proclaim independence from Serbia on Sunday, ending a long chapter in the bloody breakup of Yugoslavia but cementing a bitter ethnic frontline in the Balkans.

Kosovo will be the 6th state carved from the Serb-dominated federation since 1991, after Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia, Bosnia and Montenegro, and the last to escape Serbia's embrace.

The Serbs vow never to give up the land where their history goes back 1,000 years.

They will reject independence in defiance of the Albanians and their Western backers and will keep their grip on strongholds in northern Kosovo, making the ethnic partition of the new state a reality from the start.

President George W. Bush said the United States, which has 1,700 troops in Kosovo's NATO-led peacekeeping force of 16,000, would work with its allies to make sure there was no violence.

"The United States will continue to work with our allies to do the very best we can to make sure there's no violence," he said during a visit to Tanzania. Bush added that he was heartened by the Kosovo government's proclaimed willingness to support Serbian rights.

Kosovo Prime Minister Hashim Thaci said on Saturday: "The success of Kosovo's independence as a new beginning will be clearly measured by respect for the rights of minorities, especially Serbs."

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aztlan; balkan; balkanization; balkanize; balkans; eu; europe; illegalimmigrants; independence; jihad; kosovo; mohammedanism; seeurope; serbia; wrongside
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1 posted on 02/17/2008 3:03:49 AM PST by raybbr
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To: raybbr

Wonder if our troops will have to go to Kosovo to impose a Muslim state on Europe at the same time we’re fighting radical Islam in the Middle East?


2 posted on 02/17/2008 3:17:35 AM PST by saganite (Lust type what you what in the “tagline” space)
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To: raybbr
Hey Kosovo, get on with the declaration already, will you?

The BBC has been reporting on how Kosovo is set to declare independence for almost a day now.

P.S. Of the opinion that Kosovo should be a part of Serbia, but the region is almost definitely going to become independent, and that would be interesting. A new state doesn't pop into existence every day.

3 posted on 02/17/2008 3:32:27 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: raybbr; MoochPooch; Michael81Dus; Vicomte13; az_gila; Experiment 6-2-6; henkster; CT-Freeper; ...
And what the hey.

Europe ping.

4 posted on 02/17/2008 3:33:44 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: raybbr

Before this is over we will see Russian troops in northern Kosovo defending the Serbian enclave there.

And U.S. again supporting the wrong side :-(


5 posted on 02/17/2008 3:44:19 AM PST by Bobalu (I guess I done see'd that varmint for the last time....)
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To: Bobalu
Isn't it peculiar how there is no outcry from the left in the United States about its mission as it drags into its second decade with troops at risk and with no UN mandate. The UN will not even be able to recognize the new “country.”
6 posted on 02/17/2008 3:49:46 AM PST by Truth29
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To: raybbr

Hey Clinton said the troops would be home by Christmas? I wonder which year?

Regards

(to hell with islam)


7 posted on 02/17/2008 3:52:47 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: raybbr

When 80% of California becomes Mexican, I guess they have the right to declare that state part of Mexico. That’s what Bill Clinton did with our bombing of Kosovo. And yes, why can US troops be tied up there for decades, but not in Iraq? Someone needs to ask Hillary that question.


8 posted on 02/17/2008 4:01:36 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: kittymyrib

It would be interesting to get her thoughts on it. Anyone think that will come up in a future debate?
susie


9 posted on 02/17/2008 4:03:06 AM PST by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: raybbr

Cease Fire terms... Pfft.

International Law...Bahhh

The US is on the wrong side of history on this, and we are sowing the seeds of a future war in the region.


10 posted on 02/17/2008 4:11:41 AM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3/Cry havoc and let slip the RINOS)
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To: raybbr

Why are we supporting a Muslem dominated Kosovo over the Orthodox Christians of Serbia and what remains of the ethnically cleansed Christians in Kosovo. If we can not control the few Christians left in Iraq and the Middle East, how can we then prevent their persecution in Kosovo.


11 posted on 02/17/2008 4:40:21 AM PST by gpapa (Kill the terrorists, protect the borders, punch the hippies)
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To: raybbr

This could turn ugly very fast.


12 posted on 02/17/2008 4:56:56 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Obama: voted a more liberal record than Ted Kennedy.)
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To: kittymyrib

Maybe in 2030 the Chinese will bomb Washington DC in order to “protect” the Mexican majority of California’s wish to leave the USA.


13 posted on 02/17/2008 5:00:30 AM PST by Bushwacker777
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To: raybbr

Time to bring back the Hapsburgs.


14 posted on 02/17/2008 5:08:19 AM PST by nina0113 (If fences don't work, why does the White House have one?)
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To: Bushwacker777
"Maybe in 2030 the Chinese will bomb Washington DC in order to ?protect? the Mexican majority of California?s wish to leave the USA."

I wonder how much security is around today's Kosovo Parliament meeting? It would seem to be an obvious target.

15 posted on 02/17/2008 5:16:22 AM PST by Truth29
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To: gpapa
If we can not control the few Christians left in Iraq and the Middle East, how can we then prevent their persecution in Kosovo.

Good question!The Iraq, Iran, the whole Middle East were Chrstian territories before Mohammad islamized them by using the power of conversion :the sword. Unfortunately,we help to establish the first Muslim state in Europe.Shame & disgrace be on Bill Clinton, Madeleine Albright and Wellesley Clark.
16 posted on 02/17/2008 5:30:06 AM PST by SeeSalt
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To: SeeSalt
“Unfortunately,we help to establish the first Muslim state in Europe.Shame & disgrace be on Bill Clinton, Madeleine Albright and Wellesley Clark.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.........
what responsibility does the current occupant of the White House have in this? It is happening on his watch, NO?
17 posted on 02/17/2008 5:54:30 AM PST by shadowgovernment (From the Ashes of a Republican rout will raise a Conservative Party)
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To: nina0113
Time to bring back the Hapsburgs.

The Germans are once again supporting their Nazi ally Albanians!

18 posted on 02/17/2008 6:45:23 AM PST by F-117A (Mr. Bush, have someone read UN Resolution 1244 to you!!!)
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To: raybbr; joan; Bokababe; kronos77; FormerLib

Ping!


19 posted on 02/17/2008 6:47:01 AM PST by F-117A (Mr. Bush, have someone read UN Resolution 1244 to you!!!)
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To: shadowgovernment
It's worth noting that the same so-called "neo-conservatives" in the Bush administration who spent the better part of the 1990s clamoring for a U.S. invasion of Iraq were also openly calling for the Clinton administration to initiate its military campaign against Serbia in 1999.

"War on Terror," my @ss. This country is building an empire, and we really don't give a sh!t if that involves the outright persecution of Christians on behalf of Muslims.

20 posted on 02/17/2008 6:47:17 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: raybbr
The shiites going to hit the fan. Serbia ain't gonna take kindly to this (and why should they) and it won't be long before they ask their ONLY remaining ally, Russia, for military aid. Naturally NATO will respond, then Russia escalates its aid, then ... etc, etc, ...

So I guess 'gen' Weaselly Clark will get his war with Russia after all.

[I think I saw this picture before. It was 1914]

21 posted on 02/17/2008 6:54:41 AM PST by Condor51 (Vote for McInsane or Ugga-Bugga? Decisions, decisions, decisions.)
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To: Alberta's Child

“War on Terror,” my @ss. This country is building an empire, and we really don’t give a sh!t if that involves the outright persecution of Christians on behalf of Muslims.

Total bullshit. Stupid post of the day.

and I do not like the stand vs the Serbs at all, but you throw the word “empire” around like its supposed to mean something that it clearly does not.
sounds like Howard Dean.


22 posted on 02/17/2008 7:53:53 AM PST by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Moronic post


23 posted on 02/17/2008 8:02:48 AM PST by NYC Republican (Root for Hillary. She's beatable in the GE, Obama's not.)
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To: NYC Republican

Albertas Child is a Ron-Paulist... don’t expect anything worthwhile.


24 posted on 02/17/2008 8:22:52 AM PST by SolidWood (All conservative effort into retaking Congress!)
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To: raybbr

If the U.S. and Western nations recognizes this outrage, we will be sowing the seeds for racial, ethnic and Sharia separatist movements everywhere in the West.


25 posted on 02/17/2008 8:34:22 AM PST by montag813
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To: raybbr

btt


26 posted on 02/17/2008 8:56:06 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: raybbr
So Bush will use American troops to guarantee the muzzie takeover. Disgusting. After next November the new president (no matter which party )will use this as a precedent to dismantle the U.S. It’s only fair. to give back what we unjustly took blah blah blah
27 posted on 02/17/2008 8:57:27 AM PST by isrul
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To: Bobalu

I hope the Russians do just that. They are the good guys, if they do.


28 posted on 02/17/2008 8:58:56 AM PST by isrul
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To: brytlea

What would be the point? Every candidate is on the same page with it. RINO or RAT


29 posted on 02/17/2008 9:00:53 AM PST by isrul
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To: gpapa
Must protect the R o P. Expecting Bush to take action to protect any Christians there is naive.
30 posted on 02/17/2008 9:03:12 AM PST by isrul
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To: Bushwacker777

More like 2011.


31 posted on 02/17/2008 9:03:57 AM PST by isrul
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To: Bobalu
Before this is over we will see Russian troops

Probably not. The time for the ultimatum is long past.

32 posted on 02/17/2008 9:04:15 AM PST by RightWhale (Clam down! avoid ataque de nervosa)
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To: saganite

we already have troops there and they will kill any Christians who resist.


33 posted on 02/17/2008 9:05:16 AM PST by isrul
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To: shadowgovernment

The current occupant fully supports it as will the future occupant from either party.


34 posted on 02/17/2008 9:06:59 AM PST by isrul
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To: gpapa
If we can not control the few Christians left in Iraq and the Middle East, how can we then prevent their persecution in Kosovo.

It appears we aren't even going to try.

35 posted on 02/17/2008 9:13:45 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: montag813
If the U.S. and Western nations recognizes this outrage, we will be sowing the seeds for racial, ethnic and Sharia separatist movements everywhere in the West.

I think it's too late to stop it. Europeans have been so homogenized regarding not showing any prejudice that their will to retain any sense of identity of their own has atrophied to the point of near suicide.

36 posted on 02/17/2008 9:16:34 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: ARE SOLE
Hey Clinton said the troops would be home by Christmas? I wonder which year?

You said "Christmas"! Racist!

37 posted on 02/17/2008 9:33:59 AM PST by rogue yam
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To: Alberta's Child
It's worth noting that the same so-called "neo-conservatives" in the Bush administration who spent the better part of the 1990s clamoring for a U.S. invasion of Iraq were also openly calling for the Clinton administration to initiate its military campaign against Serbia in 1999.

I don't know about "neo-cons" but it is certainly true that many prominent Republicans, including Bob Dole, called for intervention in Kosovo against the Serbs and on behalf of the murderous Islamist Albanians. I was against it then and I still am today.

38 posted on 02/17/2008 9:37:56 AM PST by rogue yam
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To: ARE SOLE

Looks like their “perfect war” continues to unravel. Wonder who they’ll blame.


39 posted on 02/17/2008 10:39:57 AM PST by mcshot (Missing my grade school desk which protected from nuclear blasts.)
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To: montag813
"If the U.S. and Western nations recognizes this outrage, we will be sowing the seeds for racial, ethnic and Sharia separatist movements everywhere in the West."

Yes, we will, but it is even worse than you stated. The US worked tirelessly to create this monster. Other separatist movements that take their inspiration from the creation of an independent Kosovo and the resultant bloodshed will be the dragon's teeth offspring of Bill Clinton's decision (And Bush's failure to reverse it).

40 posted on 02/17/2008 11:29:25 AM PST by Truth29
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To: NYC Republican

You should change your name to KLA Republican, I’m sure McCain has already cashed your check.


41 posted on 02/17/2008 11:39:52 AM PST by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: Alberta's Child
""War on Terror," my @ss. This country is building an empire, and we really don't give a sh!t if that involves the outright persecution of Christians on behalf of Muslims."

I think that you are right -- except it isn't "an Empire" for America; it is "Two Empires" for globalists like Soros to exploit.

The US was the biggest supporter of an EU. Why? Because "one voice of Europe" is easier to deal with the the multiple voices of individual countries. The EU is run by a handful of elite.

And the US? Well, how come Clinton, Obama and McCain, all have Soros' hand up their backside? And Soros may be the guy we know about, how much you want to bet that there are more "Soroses" whose names we do not know?

This globalist elite will trample Christians without a second thought -- and will do the same to you & me when they get the chance. The US is being used by these people -- and they will just as easily and without conscience, carve up and then throw America away when they are done with it, too. And we are letting them.

42 posted on 02/17/2008 11:43:25 AM PST by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: raybbr

Dioguardi’s wet dream about becoming Greater Albania’s first prime minister will soon be realized


43 posted on 02/17/2008 12:26:57 PM PST by MadelineZapeezda (Madeline Albright ZaPeezda)
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To: Bokababe

The only man who is standing up to Soros has been Putin. And look how the non-Russian press trashes him! Yes, Soros is in a great position of power now — but with McCain at least you get a domestic conservative. With Obama you’ll get a globalist who will dine with Odinga and company.

By the way, Obama campaigned for Odinga in Kenya a couple of years back — why doesn’t Odinga come over and bring some of his supporters? Love to see the faces of some of these empty-headed campus types when they’d meet up with these cuddly types.


44 posted on 02/17/2008 12:27:36 PM PST by Bushwacker777
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To: raybbr

The seeds of a nasty Albanian civil war have just been sown.


45 posted on 02/17/2008 12:28:20 PM PST by dfwgator (11+7+15=3 Heismans)
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To: Bushwacker777

With McCain, you get a guy who made his bones nationally by killing Christians to please Muslims. I don’t see much difference today among the candidates, Soros, the Muslim agenda and globalists own Clinton, Obama & McCain. They are just different flavors of the same crap, designed to make it look like we have “a choice” when all the horses have the same owners.


46 posted on 02/17/2008 12:52:20 PM PST by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Truth29
and the resultant bloodshed will be the dragon's teeth offspring of Bill Clinton's decision (And Bush's failure to reverse it).

Bush didn't merely "fail to reverse" it, he wholehearted EMBRACED Kosovo independence. So much so that they welcomed him as a national hero in Albania. World gone mad.

47 posted on 02/17/2008 1:04:18 PM PST by montag813
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To: montyspython

Go scratch, loser


48 posted on 02/17/2008 1:27:55 PM PST by NYC Republican (Root for Hillary. She's beatable in the GE, Obama's not.)
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To: Bobalu
Any side the Russians are against is the right side, as long as they are giving nukes to Ahmadinejad.

Screw the bloody serbs and the horse they rode in on. I don't support people who actually shoot at Americans, and anyone who does is no patriot.

49 posted on 02/17/2008 1:30:11 PM PST by JasonC
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To: Truth29

>>Isn’t it peculiar how there is no outcry from the left in the United States about its mission as it drags into its second decade with troops at risk and with no UN mandate. The UN will not even be able to recognize the new “country.”<<

I thought we were doing this under NATO.


50 posted on 02/17/2008 1:32:55 PM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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