Skip to comments.College Presidents: How Many Students Have to Die Before You Allow Guns on Your Campus?
Posted on 02/17/2008 10:01:02 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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Call me simple. Call me a redneck. Call me whatever the heck you wanna call mebut until we allow credible and licensed, proven and protective professors and students to carry a weapon (gun) on campus, we will see this murderous madness occur again and again and again.
That paragraph was lifted from my April 21st, 2007 column from Townhall.com right after Cho Seung-Hui (or Seung-Hui Cho, however the heck you arrange his name) killed 32 students on Virginia Techs campus. Remember that?
As I easily predicted back in April 2007, here we are, less than a year later, being forced to watch (one more time) a bloody yet easily-remedied BS scenario from hades unfold upon our nations young people.
Last Thursday at Northern Illinois University, the now resident of hell, Stephen Kazmierczak, strolled into a class packed with 162 students and opened fire with a shotgun and three handguns, killing five students and wounding sixteen others and firing over 50 rounds before the toad killed himself (why cant they start with suicide?).
The victims, Gayle Dubowski, 20, Catalina Garcia, 20, Julianna Gehant, 32, Ryanne Mace, 19, and Daniel Parmenter, 20, were accomplished students full of life, hopes and dreams that were cut down before they ever hit their stride. If that happened to one of my kids I would be gutted and extremely POed that their campus had pretty much nothing in place to stop this kind of mayhem. No one was there to stop Kazmierczak. A prof or an of age licensed to carry student with a pistol probably could have.
The NIU slaughterwhich was, by the way, one of 45 shootings (five this week) since 1996 that have occurred on campuses in the United States in gun free zoneswill not be the last. The mass murderers among us have taken quite the shinin to shooting up our students at their schools. The principal reason is that its so easy for them to carry out their death wishes because university officials will not allow good guys with guns to carry in class and be an onsite deterrent to death-dealing dillweeds.
Hey, all wise college presidents and other admin wizards: Until you allow gunsreal guns, guns that go bang and kill bad guysyou (to make it personal), your faculty and the students youre responsible for will continue to be sitting ducks, potential fleshy sponges to soak up the hot lead from some pathetic losers happy trigger finger. The gun free stuff aint working.
I know what youre thinking: Itll never happen at my school. Thats probably the same smack the chiefs at the 45 schools and universities since 96 thought right before their students were perforated by bullets flying anywhere between 1200 2800 feet per second.
Now Ill be the first to admit, I am not nearly as astute as the suits that head up our nations bastions of higher edumication, but as a simple man, Im smart enough to know that you should never bring a knife to a gun fight, and if the mass murderers are using guns, maybe, just maybe, you guys ought to get oneor ten.
Listen, Dr. Numbnuts, all the talk you guys have been doing about proper precautions on campus, all the extra fat security cops youve recently employed with faster golf carts, shinier badges and long range pepper spray are no threat to a perp with a gun and the attitude to use it. A chunky butt security guard with a plastic dollar store badge and a 6-year-old can of mace on a golf cart is no help when the hellion shows up in your auditorium with a 12 gauge and three handguns.
Yes, if your foe has a gun, then he has a solid and deadly advantage, and the cops cant get there fast enough to do much about it.
Yes sir/madam, when this type of stuff hits the fan your campus must have deadly force on the spot to counter deadly force. Duh. That is unless, of course, youre cool with our kids being killed. I, However, am not. And as a parent of a college student I will go so far as to buy my daughters entire campus pistols for the guards, trained profs, and legal students if they will finally do the math and realize that putting guns in the hands of trained good guys is the only way to daunt murderous goons.
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How many students have to die?
All of them.
College presidents will NEVER allow guns on campus, no matter HOW many lives they would save by doing so.
It’s not going to happen. Ever.
Only immediate solution to a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
Once all guns are banned, this insanity will stop! Just ask any college professor! They are soo much more smarter then we are!
That’s a great graphic. Wonderful.
Another case of Liberalism killing people.
I was lucky enough to go to a college where guns were allowed in your vehicle. Lots of gun racks and car holsters running around. However, in a college setting, there are always dumb rules. Usually they pertain to something simple like clothing or heaters. At mine, the dumb rules happened to be “Guns in your car? Sure. But no knives over 3 inches in blade length.” Dumbest dichotomy of rules ever.
Have anyone ever thought that maybe college administrations DON’T CARE if the students live or die, and maybe even get off vicariously on the carnage?
Hate to say it, but I dn’t even feel sorry for the victims anymore. They chose to be defenseless.
Once the guns are banned, you and I wil be slaughtered like lambs.
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College administrators certainly care less about student lives than they do about ideological purity. The administrators would gladly let the entire student population die as long as they, the administrators, were able to keep their thoughts ideologically pure and, more to the point, be perceived by the chattering classes as remaining ideologically pure.
Leftist ideology over human life... by definition.
That's obvious to us, but it would require the (self-appointed) elightened, tolerant, intelligentsia to actually admit that there IS such a concept as good vs. bad, and that one is BETTER than the other. Their tolerant, morally-relativistic worldview would crumble, and they just can't go there. Innocents being slaughtered is less threatening to their psyches than letting go of their utopian illusions.
And, as long as THEY control, they don’t care HOW MANY die.
You said it so much better! (Was composing while you posted...) The sickest part isn’t that they have their utopian fantasies, it’s that they demand to impose them on EVERYbody else.
The left doesn’t want to stop the killing. It wants to take guns from honest, law-abiding citizens (a proxy for White, (successful people) and leave them in the hands of criminals (proxy for non-White, have-nots) so that they can just walk in and take whatever they want.
Just another way the left accomplishes income redistribution.
And, as long as THEY don’t get shot, they could care less. When I was in college, I saw a professor stand by and LAUGH, when a male student threatened a coed. He acutally ENCOURAGED it. I asked him, why in the hell he allowed it. He said, “who cares, she’s worthless, and I don’t like her. She deserves it.” He was NOT thrilled when I reported him.
When the Laws don’t stop the criminal.
When the Police are not there to stop the crime.
When the Criminal won’t stop their Killing.
When will they learn that WE have the right to DEFEND ourselves!
Remember; The Police arrive to make a report and draw the chalk outline of the bodies. I would rather the outline be of the criminal.
When it comes down to it, You have to take action. If the bad guy has a weapon, and the GUN FREE ZONE did nothing to deter this person, you have a choice, be a victim and be the chalk outline, or Protect yourself, by eliminating the threat!
Gun Free Zones are nothing more than target rich shooting range for Terrorists.
These Marxist administrators **know** what they are doing.
The goal is the destruction of the Judeo Christian culture upon which all freedom rests.
Marxist ideology and destruction of Western Civilization is what is important to the Marxists running our schools ( college and K-12). Ideology is more important, even if it means dead students. Marxist long range goals are more important than the saving of lives in the short term.
be a victim and be the chalk outline,
The goal of the Marxist school administrator ( K-12 and university) is to train their students to be submissive.
If a student is trained to hover in a corner and plead and beg for his life, he will do the same when the brown shirts come knocking at his door.
Not that I suspect there is, but is there a college that doesn’t have rules against guns? This simple redneck mama would sure like to put that school at the top of the kids’ list for applications.
Never bring a steno pad to a gun fight...
If college security guards are armed, and I'm not sure that the ones at VT and NIU weren't, that would not have stopped a shooter who just walks into a classroom and opens fire. There is no way that there will be a guard present near every class.
Arming all the students is another possible solution, but I can say for certain that many students I have known could not be trusted to carry a gun around campus without being a danger to their classmates or themselves.
Arming some of the students is an option, but how would you decide who to select?
The best solution might be to arm a lot of the professors, if they would go for it. But some people might not like to be lectured to by a guy carrying a gun.
I suspect a lot of parents will chip in
I suspect a lot of parents will chip in to help...
CCW has been OK on Utah campii for quite some time and the students have yet to kill each other because of it.
Think about the University of Utah . The last I checked , the administration would like to ban guns but state law has so far prevailed .
And THEY would be the WHITE SLAVEMASTERS who would rule over us all, as they are so much “smarter” then the rest of us.
Well, they say an armed society is a POLITE society.
How about we start a list of universities that allow guns.
1) University of Utah
2) other Utah campuses
Those Marxist idiots don’t realize that if all hell breaks out THEY would be the first ones shot. They are educated fools.
Not me. Gun Free Laws be damned! If murderes don’t have to follow them, why should I?
Ditto here. When I shot that guy at work, the cops didn’t care if the gun was even mine. I didn’t care either. I could care less about gun control laws, even if guns were banned.
Close. Chicago Aldermen (the one group that has almost as many criminal indictments as street gangs) can carry concealed.
Both colleges have a police department, not security guards. Yes, they carry guns.
Most states already have procedures for "concealed carry" licenses (CCW or CHL). To get one of these usually requires a full personal background check, legal training in the defensive/offensive use of a firearm, and qualifying shooting on a firing range while supervised by a state approved instructor .
Allowing people possessing a CCW/CHL would be an excellent and wise place to start. There are thousands of these "civilians" in every state and most campuses likely already have a goodly number in residence.
“Only immediate solution to a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
That’s obvious to us, but it would require the (self-appointed) elightened, tolerant, intelligentsia to actually admit that there IS such a concept as good vs. bad, and that one is BETTER than the other... and they just can’t go there.”
In the state of Washington there have been murders on the University of Washington campus. At the present time there is someone attacking students just off campus. So our quite liberal state legistlature is “wrestling with the problem.”
One Republican member is urging that we allow licensed concealed carry on our campuses.
She is opposed by some Democrat who says we “already have too many guns out there,” and she doesn’t want any more.
Guess who will win? Guess what will be tabled? Guess who the media supports?
And finally, what’s happened to the frat rats? When I got out of the military in 1954 I went to the UW. There were some folks from the other side of town who came up to terrorize the co-eds a time or two. The frat rats got organized and took care of business. The bad guys didn’t come back until the ‘60s. Now they run the U District.
A lot of problems would be solved if our young men were men once again.
But they can’t be. The legislature pass laws to prevent hard decisions backed by hard action.
Never heard of a mass shooting at a gun show either.
I bet if a couple of Administrators were the target, things would change.
That graphic would also work with a lot of Stars of David interspersed representing the Jews in the Holocaust who might have survived if they’d owned guns as well.
Every building would be a huge start.
Yes, the mullahs of political correctness demand a blood sacrifice..