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Transcript in JFK-related discovery will fuel conspiracy chatter
KLTV ^ | February 17, 2008 | Associated Press

Posted on 02/17/2008 11:19:52 AM PST by skully

DALLAS (AP) - Conspiracy theorists will love the latest find related to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

A highly suspect transcript discussing a plot to kill the president is part of some JFK-related memorabilia discovered by the Dallas County District Attorney's Office.

(Excerpt) Read more at kltv.com ...


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1 posted on 02/17/2008 11:19:52 AM PST by skully
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To: skully

AJNTSA


2 posted on 02/17/2008 11:21:22 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: skully

I hear the Roswell aliens were in on it too.


3 posted on 02/17/2008 11:22:59 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: skully

Where are we in the 75 year countdown when it’s been deemed the timeline for revealing the closed files on the assassination?


4 posted on 02/17/2008 11:23:12 AM PST by sarasota
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To: skully

It’s Bush’s fault of course.


5 posted on 02/17/2008 11:25:19 AM PST by DogBarkTree (The correct word isn't "immigrant" when what they are doing is "invading".)
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To: skully

Oswald did it...ALONE!


6 posted on 02/17/2008 11:25:33 AM PST by DogandPonyShow (America, the Light of the World.)
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To: skully

JFK is secretly alive and advising the Obama campaign.


7 posted on 02/17/2008 11:27:58 AM PST by Reagan Man (McCain Wants My Conservative Vote --- EARN IT or NO DEAL !!!)
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To: DogandPonyShow

“Oswald did it...ALONE!”

Strongly agreed.

It really is no longer about that.

It is now about the human phenomenon of believing strange things.


8 posted on 02/17/2008 11:28:38 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: skully

So these things were in some safe which hasn’t been opened in almost 45 years? These items were not reviewed by the Warren Commission? Somebody still knew the combination or had a key or did they blast the safe open?

Curious brains want to know.


9 posted on 02/17/2008 11:29:04 AM PST by whereasandsoforth (Stamp out liberals with the big boot of truth)
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To: skully

Nightclubs keep court recorders on staff just in case someone needs a transcript?????


10 posted on 02/17/2008 11:29:40 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: skully

A highly suspect transcript? ...

Would that kinda be like when they uncovered the secret broiled chicken Kentucky fried recipe, in and amongst Colonel Sander’s dusty old desk drawer in some hidden compartment?


11 posted on 02/17/2008 11:30:16 AM PST by So Circumstanced
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To: skully
Doesn’t matter if there was hundreds of plots to kill Kennedy. One man did it on his own.
12 posted on 02/17/2008 11:30:48 AM PST by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: skully
The conversation is between Ruby and Oswald. They supposedly met at Ruby's nightclub on October 4th, 1963, less than two months before the assassination.

In it, they talked of killing the president because the mafia wanted to get rid of his brother, Attorney General Robert Kennedy.

Who knows what will come out of this, but anyone who lived through the JFK assassination remembers the trauma of it like 9/11.

13 posted on 02/17/2008 11:31:52 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: sarasota

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination :

The unpublished supporting documents for the Warren Commission Report are due to be released by 2017. The Commission’s unpublished records were initially sealed for 75 years (to 2039) under a general National Archives policy that applied to all federal investigations by the executive branch of government,[62] a period “intended to serve as protection for innocent persons who could otherwise be damaged because of their relationship with participants in the case.”[63]

Sealing of assassination records
All of the Warren Commission’s records were submitted to the National Archives in 1964. The unpublished portion of those records was initially sealed for 75 years (to 2039) under a general National Archives policy that applied to all federal investigations by the executive branch of government,[81] a period “intended to serve as protection for innocent persons who could otherwise be damaged because of their relationship with participants in the case.”[63] The 75-year rule no longer exists, supplanted by the Freedom of Information Act of 1966 and the JFK Records Act of 1992. By 1992, 98% of the Warren Commission records had been released to the public.[82] Six years later, at the conclusion of the Assassination Records Review Board’s work, all Warren Commission records, except those records that contained tax return information, were available to the public with only minor redactions.[83] The remaining Kennedy assassination related documents are scheduled to be released to the public by 2017, twenty-five years after the passage of the JFK Records Act.

Several pieces of evidence and documentation are described to have been lost, cleaned, or missing from the original chain of evidence (e.g., limousine cleaned out at hospital, Connally’s suit dry-cleaned, Oswald’s military intelligence file destroyed in 1973,[84] Connally’s Stetson hat and shirt sleeve gold cufflink missing, etc.)

On May 19, 2044, the 50th anniversary of the death of Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, if her last child has died, the Kennedy library will release to the public a 500-page transcript of an oral history about John F. Kennedy given by Mrs. Kennedy before her death in 1994.[citation needed]

[edit] Assassination Records Review Board
The Assassination Records Review Board was not commissioned to make any findings or conclusions. Its purpose was to release documents to the public in order to allow the public to draw its own conclusions. From 1992 until 1998, the Assassination Records Review Board gathered and unsealed about 60,000 documents, consisting of over 4 million pages.[1][2] All remaining documents are to be released by 2017.

(Footnote 62: Vincent Bugliosi, Reclaiming History, endnotes, p. 136-137. The 75-year rule no longer exists, supplanted by the Freedom of Information Act of 1966. All Warren Commission records, with the exception of tax returns, have now been released to the general public, with only minor redactions. )


14 posted on 02/17/2008 11:32:09 AM PST by LibFreeOrDie
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To: skully

So allegedly Oswald and Ruby met two months before the assassination, and discussed offing JFK because the Mafia wanted RFK out of being the Attorney General


15 posted on 02/17/2008 11:32:30 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty)
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To: BenLurkin

LOL!


16 posted on 02/17/2008 11:37:35 AM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Hillary Clinton - It's OBAMAS Party and She'll Cry if She Wants to?)
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To: sarasota

Where are we in the 75 year countdown when it’s been deemed the timeline for revealing the closed files on the assassination?”

I thought that Jackie asked for and got a 50 year hold. When did that move to 75 years????


17 posted on 02/17/2008 11:37:58 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: BenLurkin

This is like the genital herpes of the conspiracy world. No matter how long it’s been dormant or how many times you think it’s gone away, it flares up once in a while....


18 posted on 02/17/2008 11:38:48 AM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Hillary Clinton - It's OBAMAS Party and She'll Cry if She Wants to?)
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To: SauronOfMordor

This “letter” is probably nonsense. Nevertheless, after having read around a hundred books on the assassination, I remain convinced there was a conspriacy.

Posner’s book “Case Closed” has been severely debunked by a number of authors. Kennedy was living a wreckless personal life in the early sixties (cultural fifties), being blackmailed into supporting the TFX jetfighter, among other things.

When he refused to close the deal on Castro at the Bay of Pigs he was a marked man. I cannot convince you with this post, I know that, if you are intersted you need to do the reading.

One fact new to me I found out just last year: Kenny O’Donnel, JFK’s close personal friend and aid was in the car behind him; O’Donnel told the FBI at Parkland hospital that he was certain some shots came from the front. The FBI told him he was mistaken. He was also told if he kept to that story he would just make trouble for the family.

O’Donnel drank himself to death.


19 posted on 02/17/2008 11:38:55 AM PST by kjo
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To: Reagan Man

One thing I am quite certain of. JFK wouldn’t touch Obama or Hillary with a 10-foot pole.


20 posted on 02/17/2008 11:43:43 AM PST by SlapHappyPappy
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To: SlapHappyPappy

JFK was a Scoop Jackson Democrat -— tough on defense -— but just like his brothers, a liberal on most issues, and a big time party loyalist to boot. He’d be backing the Dem nominee, Hillary or Obama.


21 posted on 02/17/2008 11:51:00 AM PST by Reagan Man (McCain Wants My Conservative Vote --- EARN IT or NO DEAL !!!)
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To: skully

I’ve always thought that the mafia was behind JFK’s murder.

It was obvious that Ruby had mob connections.

Why else would he kill Oswald, except to silence him?

And I know Ruby did kill Oswald, because with my own eyes, I saw him do it (live - on TV, of course).


22 posted on 02/17/2008 11:53:50 AM PST by i_dont_chat (Your choice if you take offense.)
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To: SauronOfMordor
"So allegedly Oswald and Ruby met two months before the assassination, and discussed offing JFK because the Mafia wanted RFK out of being the Attorney General."

So does this mean Ruby and Oswald "practiced" BEFORE the "gig"?

Oswald Singing Poster

23 posted on 02/17/2008 11:55:18 AM PST by musicman
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To: LibFreeOrDie
The remaining Kennedy assassination related documents are scheduled to be released to the public by 2017

It doesn't matter, the world comes to an end in December, 2012.

24 posted on 02/17/2008 11:55:26 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Mike Huckabee: If Gomer Pyle and Hugo Chavez had a love child this is who it would be.)
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To: DogandPonyShow

This information doesn’t contradict it.


25 posted on 02/17/2008 11:55:35 AM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: kjo

Who debunked Posner’s book? I thought it was dadgum convincing.


26 posted on 02/17/2008 11:56:08 AM PST by karnage
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To: SauronOfMordor

Seems like if they wanted him gone, they could have just killed him.


27 posted on 02/17/2008 11:56:33 AM PST by Hexenhammer
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To: BenLurkin

AJNTSA

28 posted on 02/17/2008 11:57:01 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: SauronOfMordor
So allegedly Oswald and Ruby met two months before the assassination, and discussed offing JFK because the Mafia wanted RFK out of being the Attorney General

Stupid, stupid, stupid. Why didn't they just shoot RFK?

29 posted on 02/17/2008 11:57:03 AM PST by 3catsanadog (Vote for the person at the primaries; vote for the party at the election.)
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To: skully

Sharon Bush, W’s sister-in-law, and Jack Worthington, JFK’s bastard son, both believe that Lyndon had Jack offed.


30 posted on 02/17/2008 11:59:34 AM PST by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire at the moonbat loonery.)
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To: SauronOfMordor
There are several conspiracy theories involving the mafia. The two that I remember best have a common source.

Carlos Marcello in New Orleans had been picked up of the street in NO after the justice department lost in court trying to convict or deport him. The agents took him to Guatemala and let him go up in the hills without money or ID. He made his way back to NO. As illustrated in the mish mosh movie, JFK, and on various threads here, there's no end to the number of motives.

I guess good detective work starts at the scene with the physical evidence and works it's way out.

The autopsy reporting and procedures were not clearly controlled and the Warren Committee was deemed a cover-up by many, including those who attribute the findings to LBJ's instructions so that we could avoid a war he perceived happening.

When the government handles a major incident like this one was handled and then tries to hide the documents, you get what we've got.

31 posted on 02/17/2008 12:00:10 PM PST by purpleraine
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To: Reagan Man

To get elected JFK falsely claimed we had a missile gap with the Soviets. For security reasons, Ike couldn’t reveal JFK’s claims were false. I’m quite sure W is being similarly hancuffed now with the lies the Dems have been spewing.


32 posted on 02/17/2008 12:03:06 PM PST by chopperman
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To: kjo

I think the FBI and CIA wanted JFK out. The FBI because Hoover thought blacks would gravitate toward communism if given too much power, and the CIA because of the domino theory regarding Vietnam. They wanted JFK out and Johnson provided the contacts through sol Estes, having successfully murdered Henry Marshall before. Oswald = patsy, and had to be killed before he could prove his innocence.


33 posted on 02/17/2008 12:04:03 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: skully

So I assume they had one of Jack Ruby’s strippers on hand to take meeting minutes?


34 posted on 02/17/2008 12:04:59 PM PST by Junior_G
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To: Reagan Man

JFK was a budget hawk who cut taxes based on supply-side theory. Obama and Hillary have already rejected tax cuts, with Obama proudly stating he voted against them.


35 posted on 02/17/2008 12:09:04 PM PST by SlapHappyPappy
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To: skully
Here's my theory:

The assassination was suicide. JFK set up Oswald as a patsy and changed the motorcade route to go by the Book Depository building.

When the car clears the sign on the Zapruder film, JFK was just dropping the gun after it had accidentally discharged and hit Connely. He has his hands up and in front of his throat in a fumbling motion as if he is trying to catch the dropped gun.

When the gun lands, it hits the telephone box and discharges hitting Kennedy in the front right of his head.Kennedy was distraught because of his back pain and the medication he was taken. The mafia had threatened him, LBJ was threatening to mount a campaign over Viet Nam, and the Cubans were very angry over the Bay of Pigs.

JFK figured he could remove himself, take the easy way out, and if he could make it look like and assassination he would become a sympathetic figure forever.

My book comes out November 1. Meanwhile, go to my web site heyidiotsididitmyself.com

36 posted on 02/17/2008 12:09:37 PM PST by purpleraine
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To: DogandPonyShow
Oswald did it...ALONE!

Jackie hired him to do it.

37 posted on 02/17/2008 12:13:00 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy ("I believe in Santa Claus. I believe in the tooth fairy." - John Edwards)
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To: ArtyFO

That was my first thought when JFK’s death was announced over the loudspeakers at school, and I was just a kid. I’m not saying he did it, but it was obvious that there was no love lost between JFK and Lyndon.


38 posted on 02/17/2008 12:13:51 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie
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Well hell, when one of the conspirators (Mr. CIA nevertheless) admits it, you’d think it’d be a closed case.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13893143/the_last_confessions_of_e_howard_hunt

http://www.saintjohnhunt.com/chain-of-command.html

I personally think it was a “murder on the Orient Express” situation... alot of people were guilty.


39 posted on 02/17/2008 12:24:49 PM PST by Rob112586 ("...a decrease in the quantity of legislation generally means an increase in the quality of life.")
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To: skully

So it would be easier to kill the POTUS than the AG?


40 posted on 02/17/2008 12:25:32 PM PST by sportutegrl
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To: karnage
Who debunked Posner’s book? I thought it was dadgum convincing.

Nobody did. The FR claimant to the 'debunking' has made a gratuitous statement with no facts to back it up; take as being worth as much as "I read in a book somewhere," or "I once heard..." Posner's book hasn't been debunked by anyone.

However, if you're interested in a shorter, clearer, and in many ways more convincing read that you can get cheap and is the source of a lot of Posner's ideas, take a look at this little ditty. Conspiracy of One: The Definitive Book on the Kennedy Assassination (Paperback) by Jim Moore.

A gem.

With just one slight change to the chronology--supported by eyewitnesses who testified to the Warren Commission--Moore effectively demolishes all the "magic bullet," "forward recoil/backward recoil," and "Mannlicher clumsiness" objections raised by conspiracy kooks over the years. I wish Posner had given him more credit. This book shouldn't have been ignored.

41 posted on 02/17/2008 12:27:50 PM PST by FredZarguna (Why *was* the 'Blind Imam' blind, anyway?)
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To: SlapHappyPappy

Gotta give credit where credit is due. JFK called for tax cuts to help blunt the effects of the 1960-61 recession. But they weren’t passed into law until 1964. In fact most of what JFK called for didn’t become law until after his death. This included his proposal for government sponsored health care (Medicare) for seniors and the elderly poor (Medicad). This came right from Truman’s Fair Deal policy agenda, an extention of FDR`s New Deal.

In his 3/12 years in office, JFK cut defense spending, increased the welfare state budget and expanded the federal government as a percentage of GDP.

In 1961 almost all Democrats were less liberal then they are today. Even fat Teddy Kennedy once opposed abortion. OTOH. Its been rumored that JFK forced his “girlfriends” who he got pregnant to get abortions. And JFK and fat Teddy worked hand in hand on the 1965 Immigration and Nationality Act. Another liberal immigration reform proposal.

Sorry. JFK was a liberal in 1961 and would have been no better than his brothers had he lived. Remember how Robert Kennedy became a hardcore liberal by 1968 -— an early McGovern-type liberal. JFK would have supported most of the Democratic Party’s liberal policy agenda of the last 45 years.


42 posted on 02/17/2008 12:39:46 PM PST by Reagan Man (McCain Wants My Conservative Vote --- EARN IT or NO DEAL !!!)
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To: FredZarguna

There was a convention of JFK assassination conspiracy theorists some years back. Large hotel convention room set up. It’s a money making business. When the truth of a commie symp with a rifle and Marine training, supported by ballistics is the simpler explanation, then money can’t be made.


43 posted on 02/17/2008 12:45:54 PM PST by bajabaja
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To: ridesthemiles

I may have misunderstood but thought I’d heard 75 many years ago.


44 posted on 02/17/2008 12:46:54 PM PST by sarasota
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To: LibFreeOrDie

Wow, thanks for the details!


45 posted on 02/17/2008 12:48:12 PM PST by sarasota
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To: skully

“But the transcript figures to get most of the attention. The conversation is between Ruby and Oswald. They supposedly met at Ruby’s nightclub on October 4th, 1963, less than two months before the assassination.

In it, they talked of killing the president because the mafia wanted to get rid of his brother, Attorney General Robert Kennedy.”

Ugh, what a huge lack of information here. How was this conversation recorded in the first place? A dozen follow-on questions from there. Why was this in with items presumed to be original/authentic if, as the curator says, he doubts it is real?

Does he doubt everything listed is real, or just the one item of interest pertaining to the assassination motive itself which goes against officially approved history?


46 posted on 02/17/2008 12:51:02 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: DogandPonyShow
Oswald did it...ALONE!

Agreed. Years back, in one of the old Men's Magazines, a guy wrote of a scenario I would love to believe, just because of the sheer irony.

He claimed that while Oswald was the shooter, he was really after Connolly and Kennedy was killed by mistake (lousy shot).

He claimed that Oswald had petitioned Connolly, then governor of Texas, to upgrade his discharge (can't remember if it was "less than honorable" or what) because with his current status, he couldn't get a GI Loan of VA mortgage. Connolly refused, three times.

The irony is that, yes Virginia, there was a coverup, but it was to hide the fact that Kennedy was killed by mistake. If that were known he would be an object of pity instead of a martyr.

Well, it works in my universe. Something H. L. Mencken would like, I suspect. (One of his quotes applies to the current presidential campaign: "Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods.")

47 posted on 02/17/2008 12:51:07 PM PST by Oatka (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

“Oswald’s military intelligence file destroyed in 1973,[”

Hard to believe no copy of this remains, unless they were all deliberately purged.


48 posted on 02/17/2008 12:53:15 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: Oatka
. . . he couldn't get a GI Loan of VA mortgage.

Should be "he couldn't get money under the GI Bill or a VA mortgage."

(THEY made me incoherent. (cough))

49 posted on 02/17/2008 12:58:46 PM PST by Oatka (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Rob112586

this is, in fact, the definition of how a government cover-up looks - an official story bought into by many but with actual participants openly stating it is false, and naming details.

Curiously, some aspects of the Roswell situation in terms of actual participants openly contradicting stories is quite similar. I make no judgement on the Roswell issue itself.


50 posted on 02/17/2008 1:02:43 PM PST by WoofDog123
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